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Air supremacy / Air superiority - 10/4/2021 8:16:50 PM   
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Air supremacy is the highest level, where a side holds complete control of the skies. It is defined by NATO and the United States Department of Defense as the "degree of air superiority wherein the opposing air force is incapable of effective interference".

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RE: Air supremacy / Air superiority - 10/4/2021 8:18:14 PM   
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What is the importance of air superiority?

Air superiority facilitates combat power by enhancing combined arms operations and the maneuverability and firepower of one's forces. Combined arms operations use two or more weapons systems in such a way that it is difficult for an adversary to defend itself from both.

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RE: Air supremacy / Air superiority - 10/4/2021 8:21:32 PM   
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There is no impact of air power on the supply network of your enemy. If USSR disband all its air units, Germany has by definition air supremacy. What does it mean in Warplan game? Nothing.

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RE: Air supremacy / Air superiority - 10/4/2021 8:28:12 PM   
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What I would like to propose is the following.

If the enemy has no air superiority group covering the hexes already covered by our ground and tactical bombers. All the enemy hexes covered by our bombers received:

-3 supply points in Clear, Cold weather
-1 supply points in Rain weather
0 impact when planes can't fly

In the below example, USSR has only a ground attack bomber nearby and no air superiority. As such, Germans bombers can interdict supply without enemy fighters around.




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RE: Air supremacy / Air superiority - 10/4/2021 8:33:26 PM   
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On the other hand, Air Superiority group are covering the hexes within its range. If so, there is no impact of the enemy bombers on the supply network of your army and supplies will continue to arrive as normal.

As such, it creates an incentive to invest in air units and not disbanding them. Because air units will now directly impact the supply network for your army.




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RE: Air supremacy / Air superiority - 10/4/2021 8:40:26 PM   
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And we can perfectly imagine that this is working as long as ground and tactical bombers have the blue triangle. Same thing for the air superiority group that needs to have the blue triangle to do its protection.

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RE: Air supremacy / Air superiority - 10/5/2021 10:52:10 AM   
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In fact, maybe a better way to do it, implement something called Air Interdiction where, each turn, friendly hexes in the range of enemy bombers, and not covered by friendly fighters can have their rails damaged.

This way, it will reduce the:
. ability to rail move land units
. ability to supply land units

Something similar to port supply interdiction in other words.




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RE: Air supremacy / Air superiority - 10/7/2021 10:34:20 AM   
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Sounds like a good idea. No idea how hard it would be to implement.

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RE: Air supremacy / Air superiority - 10/7/2021 4:36:51 PM   
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Auto-interdiction might be a good idea but it will frustrate the hell out of players and possibly might not be good for game play.

Destroying rail is really difficult to implement. That is why we have interdiction that reduces operation points.

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RE: Air supremacy / Air superiority - 10/20/2021 10:49:28 AM   
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We need to be careful of this because it can go very badly wrong. In Strategic command you can reduce supply to 0 by using strategic bombers to hit supply centres. In hearts of iron IV you can do something similar. Both games let you destroy armies with heavy bombers by killing their supplies.

I like the current simple system where air interdiction reduces operation points and strategic bombing reduces supplies stockpiles, but doesn't starve units out.

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RE: Air supremacy / Air superiority - 10/20/2021 4:52:06 PM   
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I think this is something for WarPlan 2. But even a slight ground combat modifier because of relative air power would be most welcome (and then the panzers and even German infantry could be tuned down a bit).

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RE: Air supremacy / Air superiority - 10/20/2021 6:33:07 PM   
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Keep in mind turning down German panzers would turn down all armor, which is probably warranted.
The only "bonus" they have is their experience to start.


BUT the issue here is...air units.

No one bothers to build them so they have a mass army.
UKs army ends up twice as big as they normally had by the end of the war pretty quickly. Same with the US.
Germany basically replaces the few planes they did build with armor / mech...
BUT the Allies don't build 20 air and have a mass army.

Sadly the only way to address this would be to force countries to build so much air.

I know Al talked about factories for each, arms, armor, air, ship (shipyards). It may have to come down to that.

Though many hate limits it may be the only way to make air be built more.


Then again I did see sveint hit one of my division for a 3 loss...that was the first time I have ever see a division take a 30% loss to a bomber.
Best I have ever done in 40+ games has been 2.

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RE: Air supremacy / Air superiority - 10/20/2021 6:35:12 PM   
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Hopefully the next patch will address that and give an incentive to invest in air units.

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