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Is this possible? - 7/31/2021 3:41:38 PM   
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Hi all,
I have Warplan Europe and just bought WITE2 a month or so back. I have played wargames for quite a few years. I really like WITE and WITW along with the Decisive wargame series. My question is about Warplan Pacific. Playing the Japanese side is it possible to attack and defeat the US? Is it possible given the large population of Japan to land ground troops in the US defeating the US.

I know in reality the US easily out produced Japan and built a huge fleet of carriers to win the war. With the right handicap levels for the allies is it possible the Empire of Japan could defeat the allies and conquer both the US and the Uk? In the newest release of WITE2 its almost impossible for Germany to win and there is no way to conquer the US given the map only covers Germany and the USSR. I am looking for something with a bit more scope than both Warplan Europe and WITE2 while not being as complex and time consuming as Admirals Edition is now.

Thanks for any help and thoughts on this Gentlemen

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RE: Is this possible? - 7/31/2021 6:14:57 PM   
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Is is possible yes...
Is is likely no.

The Japanese have to take Hawaii to supply the East coast along with a few other islands.
As soon as they invade Hawaii the US will know something is up and start producing more land units. Also if the Axis actually land in the US the East Coast sends about a half dozen corps to defeat the Japanese.



BUT YES you can invade and prepatches you could cripple the US pretty badly and almost take them out.

After the patch you can still invade but it is much more difficult which is how it should be.

I suspect you might be able to do it against the AI...I would think it would be impossible vs a human.

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RE: Is this possible? - 7/31/2021 9:11:55 PM   
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Thank you stjeand,
I am a bit interested in the what if scenarios. I also want the results to be possible. My research if correct shows Japan with a population of roughly 304 million people. The US had 150 million. Germany 86 million. Given that the Japanese had a large modern navy for its time period I thought maybe if they could get their troops on US soil they could seriously hurt the allies. I also know Japan did not have the manufacturing capacity the US had at that time.

I like playing scenarios like WITE2 which are locked into a single theatre of war but also like being able to control the whole resources of a nation. I would like to try to take Hawaii and then invade the west coast of the US. I know resources and oil are a problem for Japan. Many players want an east and west front combination game centered on Germany like WITE and WITW combined.

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RE: Is this possible? - 7/31/2021 9:46:26 PM   
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Japan's population was about 70 million in the 1940's from a quick google search.
Taking aside anything logistics, if the estimated US military casualties from an invasion of the home islands was 1 million, and you reversed the numbers, the casualties from a Japanese invasion of the US would be larger than their army size.

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RE: Is this possible? - 7/31/2021 10:13:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: eskuche

Japan's population was about 70 million in the 1940's from a quick google search.
Taking aside anything logistics, if the estimated US military casualties from an invasion of the home islands was 1 million, and you reversed the numbers, the casualties from a Japanese invasion of the US would be larger than their army size.


But as a starter they did take Attu and Kiska islands with no causalities.

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RE: Is this possible? - 7/31/2021 11:39:55 PM   
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My bad, I dont know where I got such a large number for Japanese population. I believe the other numbers are about right. I searched again for Japanese army size and found the number of 1.7 million men set in 51 divisions. The German army had close to 3 million men set for the Eastern front including allies. It would seem the Japanese army universally refused to surrender and it was considered shameful to do so or retreat.

So it would appear invading a country with twice the population would be impossible without much advanced weapons than was available.

Myself, I really dont like to win games based on point values. I like to either win or lose the total war yet some of these games dont allow this as in WITE2 the campaign is limited to the eastern front. That being said as I have Warplan Europe I might as well try Warplan Pacific.

Thank you all for the insights and opinions

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RE: Is this possible? - 8/1/2021 5:27:12 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Germanshep

In the newest release of WITE2 its almost impossible for Germany to win


Really?

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RE: Is this possible? - 8/1/2021 1:41:52 PM   
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WITE seems easier to me than WITE2. When I set the values at challenging vs the AI I never win. I also never take any of the primary objectives of Leningrad, Moscow or Stalingrad. I try my best but I always lose at those levels.

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RE: Is this possible? - 8/2/2021 4:02:33 PM   
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Interesting, an AI that is winning. I am tempted. Maybe later.

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