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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/5/2021 5:40:15 AM   
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T98 7/12/41 The North Afrika front is narrow. I want to hold the Axis here rather than let them stream into Egypt.




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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/5/2021 5:43:10 AM   
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T98 7/12/41 As the Russian you think Moscow is safe until you see this. The Axis Bot has yet to make its move.

Normally I would not see this but must take screen shots to show progress and Bot methods.




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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/5/2021 5:45:53 AM   
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T98 7/12/45 How can the Soviet tidbit defense in the South hold against this?





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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/5/2021 3:47:32 PM   
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T99 7/19/41 Here is the front in North Afrika. Keeping the Axis contained here.




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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/5/2021 3:51:39 PM   
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T99 7/19/41 Fortress Leningrad must be saved. There are Germans from Norway and the Finnish Army that will advance if Leningrad falls.




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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/5/2021 3:53:57 PM   
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T99 7/19/41 Fortress Smolensk is still holding.




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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/5/2021 3:55:56 PM   
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T99 7/19/41 The battle for the Deneper must slow the Axis advance as long as possible.




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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/6/2021 4:24:33 AM   
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T106 9/6/41 Slowly the Afrika Korps is being ground up and contained.






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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/6/2021 4:25:56 AM   
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T106 9/6/41 The Axis is inching closer to taking Leningrad.




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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/6/2021 4:28:10 AM   
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T106 9/6/41 The Moscow defenses are holding for the moment. The Axis is slowly moving forward but that might stop soon. The weather change is still a ways off so I need to halt them in good weather.




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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/6/2021 4:30:23 AM   
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T106 9/6/41 The Rostov front is moving slowly east. Here the distances are greater so the Axis will be over extended soon which will stop them.




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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/6/2021 3:32:54 PM   
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T108 9/20/41 Here is the Leningrad front. Note the 7th Air Division behind the Soviet line. That came from Norway and they did not walk since they were at Oslo just a few turns ago.




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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/6/2021 3:38:25 PM   
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T108 9/20/41 Here is the Moscow front. The Bot has tried to bypass the frontal defenses of Moscow and get east of the city. I have sent in every last unit available to cut off the supply of the Axis units east of Moscow. We shall see what the Bot does next because the bad weather is still a few turns away.




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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/6/2021 3:40:04 PM   
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T108 9/20/41 The Rostov front is still holding.




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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/6/2021 5:19:14 PM   
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T109 9/27/41 Surprise attack by the Axis Bot in violation of treaty agreements! Some of the Norway troops marched all the way through Finland and attacked from the Mannerheim line towards Leningrad! I did not see this nor expected it. I thought they would go the long way around like they were told to do. But no. They know better.




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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/6/2021 6:36:08 PM   
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Some of the Norway troops marched all the way through Finland and attacked from the Mannerheim line towards Leningrad! I did not see this nor expected it. I thought they would go the long way around like they were told to do. But no. They know better.



I expect that there are intermediate objectives that the Bot should follow for the “long” way. My understanding is that objectives which are friendly controlled are ignored and the Bot will take the easiest route to the first enemy controlled objective. Suggest you check the intermediate objective ownership and change as required.

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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/6/2021 11:35:58 PM   
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quote:

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Some of the Norway troops marched all the way through Finland and attacked from the Mannerheim line towards Leningrad! I did not see this nor expected it. I thought they would go the long way around like they were told to do. But no. They know better.



I expect that there are intermediate objectives that the Bot should follow for the “long” way. My understanding is that objectives which are friendly controlled are ignored and the Bot will take the easiest route to the first enemy controlled objective. Suggest you check the intermediate objective ownership and change as required.

Regards



I checked the objective path and I do not see why they ignored many objectives that were closer and were enemy occupied. As seen in the screen shot the units that attacked Leningrad directly simply bypassed all the other objectives due to a Russian blocking force.

There are German units attacking Moscow right now that were assigned to take Athens but they bypassed Athens and went for Moscow which is OK.




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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/7/2021 12:59:33 AM   
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I checked the objective path and I do not see why they ignored many objectives that were closer and were enemy occupied. As seen in the screen shot the units that attacked Leningrad directly simply bypassed all the other objectives due to a Russian blocking force.



Check Track 5. That is the track the units appear to have taken. As massive this scenario is I can see where events and tracks can easily become mixed.

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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/7/2021 3:20:49 AM   
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quote:

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I checked the objective path and I do not see why they ignored many objectives that were closer and were enemy occupied. As seen in the screen shot the units that attacked Leningrad directly simply bypassed all the other objectives due to a Russian blocking force.



Check Track 5. That is the track the units appear to have taken. As massive this scenario is I can see where events and tracks can easily become mixed.

Regards



Here is Track 5 for the units attacking Leningrad. They would retreat to Kirkenes and stay for the balance of the war. The scenario I am demonstrating is on track 2 at the present time. It is possible it could change tracks but there would be indications on the recent news for that. Units would stop attacking and retreat to Germany on Track 5 which is the final track for this scenario.

To make the screen shot I changed the Track to 5 and then viewed the units' objective.

Where do you see an indication that it is track 5?

Thanks for looking at it. Maybe I am missing something.




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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/7/2021 4:20:00 AM   
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T114 11/1/41 The immediate threat to Moscow is over for now. The Axis Bot bypassed too many Russians and stretched itself too thin. The Bot did reach with 3 hexes of the Kremlin before I had to attack.

In the screen shot you can see the troops that are surrounded and completely out of supply. Now my forces will liquidate the pocket over the next few turns.

I counted 35 full divisions along with many artillery, flak, etc units. It is a "Stalingrad" at Kaluga.




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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/7/2021 2:00:47 PM   
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T117 11/22/41 This view shows the German units wanting to move into Tunisia instead of moving against the British. These units were replaced and they have had enough of the British Army. Once the Allies move close enough to Tripoli, Vichy will open its border and allow the Axis troops to temporarily escape, This was supposed to happen in November of 42 so this is early.




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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/7/2021 2:03:52 PM   
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T117 November 22, 1945 To save Leningrad I had to move several artillery units from Moscow to shore up the defense. Artillery is still the Queen of Battle. The Axis Bot was blasting the Russian line with very few losses. With new artillery support the Russians may hold in front of Leningrad at the last minute.




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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/7/2021 2:05:59 PM   
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T117 11/22/41 The Moscow pocket is getting smaller. These Axis troops are doomed. The weather is changing to snow with no relief troops in sight.




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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/7/2021 2:09:55 PM   
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T117 11/22/41 In the south the Axis Bot is still advancing and is nearly at Stalingrad. The weather is changing and their supply will be impaired for a while. That will result in the Axis Bot inability to advance again until better weather in 42.




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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/7/2021 3:03:43 PM   
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Pictured is Axis Track 5 (all tracks selected) from the scenario attached to post #12. Probably the wrong formation, but it does show the direct path to Leningrad. Oddly, I don’t see the retreat path shown in your post.

Maybe it’s time to get out the “sal” files and follow the path the units took as opposed to their programed track.

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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/7/2021 5:19:07 PM   
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Pictured is Axis Track 5 (all tracks selected) from the scenario attached to post #12. Probably the wrong formation, but it does show the direct path to Leningrad. Oddly, I don’t see the retreat path shown in your post.

Maybe it’s time to get out the “sal” files and follow the path the units took as opposed to their programed track.

Regards






Here is the same 1 Fin Korps in your view that does not go to Leningrad. No Finish unit has a track that takes them into Leningrad. Your view does not take that Finish unit to Leningrad. It takes it to the city of Viipuril which is the Finish surrender point and all Finish units will try to defend that point at the end.

The German units go to Leningrad but not directly there.

I think the answer will be in the German units that went the long way and the ones that did not. I think the Russian resistance made some bypass and go directly to Leningrad. The answer to that would be to make Leningrad an objective in a later track like track 3 or 4 instead of all in track 2.




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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/7/2021 8:44:18 PM   
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T119 12/6/41 Here is the news for the last two turns. Note the track changes, ships sunk at Pearl Harbor, trouble with bad weather reducing Axis shock to a normal 100 from a previous 110, and the Vichy opening their borders to the Axis and accepting the Panzer Army Afrika in Tunisia to defend Bizerte. The Axis will also fight for Tripoli. The Axis air shock remains at 110 until 1943 when it is reduced to 100.






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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/7/2021 8:46:28 PM   
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T119 12/6/41 Here is the first wave of Japanese naval bombers at Pearl Harbor. Note all targets were destroyed.




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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/7/2021 8:49:14 PM   
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T119 12/6/41 Pear Harbor strike 2nd wave. All targets destroyed.




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RE: WAW 1939-1945 PO Version 62221 Allied Human vs Axis... - 8/7/2021 8:51:51 PM   
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T120 12/13/41 Kido Butai left the area around Pearl Harbor to protect the carriers. They are located just off Samar. Where they go next is up to the Bot. I have made so many changes that I do not know what or where they go now. They will be defensive but where?




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