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[WAD] DF-100 cruise missile’s anti-ship capability - 6/18/2021 6:15:32 AM   
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Well,it is a long existed problem actually. (across several DBs)

How I found: When I was testing kinds of SSM/ASM I discoverd that DF-100 has surface ships in its valid targets list. However when I launched the missiles to a moving ship,they all missed the target. I was sure there was something wrong, and guess what?

I found that the DF-100 DOESN'T HAVE any HOMING SYSTEM which is necessary for a weapon that counter mobile units.

Confuesd and waiting for response. Thanks!

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RE: DF-100 cruise missile’s anti-ship capability - 6/18/2021 2:35:56 PM   
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Working as expected when I tested it just now:
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SIDE: Test
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LOSSES:
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EXPENDITURES:
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2x DF-100 [Conventional]



SIDE: Targets
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LOSSES:
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1x Generic Heavy CATOBAR Carrier


Please include a save file so we can replicate the issue



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RE: DF-100 cruise missile’s anti-ship capability - 6/18/2021 3:00:33 PM   
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SIDE: 1
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LOSSES:
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EXPENDITURES:
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2x DF-100 [Conventional]



SIDE: 2
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LOSSES:
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EXPENDITURES:
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Thank you for your response.

However, the problem is: If you get the ship to move,you will find the missiles will simply miss the target. The DB shows that the missile doesn't have any sensor to guide it.

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RE: DF-100 cruise missile’s anti-ship capability - 6/18/2021 3:10:28 PM   
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As the picture shows:




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RE: DF-100 cruise missile’s anti-ship capability - 6/28/2021 10:08:16 PM   
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This is an interesting one.

The thing with the DF-100 is that no one really knows whether or not the missile has a seeker. The Chinese claim it's capable of hitting "large warships," so some run with that and assume the missile carries at least a rudimentary seeker to help during terminal -- and avoid situations like the ones you're encountering in your game. What we can say with certainty is that if it does have a sensor, it's probably not very good. The DF-100 is primarily a land-attack missile, after all, and if there was a more capable sensor onboard I'd expect the Chinese to emphasize general anti-ship capabilities rather than just "large warships."

A competing theory holds that the DF-100 actually performs as modelled, with no sensor. It's theoretically possible of engaging a "large warship" via inertial targeting, provided the launcher receives location, speed, and heading data from another sensor, but if any of these should change then the missile will miss. This is supported by the Chinese themselves, who were evidently waffling on whether to classify the DF-100 as an anti-ship missile or a purely land-attack missile right up until the day they showed it off in parade.

Based on what we know, and extrapolating past Chinese behavior, I think the latter theory is more likely to be correct. The Chinese government often exaggerates new weapons' anti-ship capabilities (unsurprisingly, considering how important sea control is to both the U.S. and China), and we've yet to hear anything about a seeker on the DF-100 -- which, if I was China, I'd be keen to at least mention, if that capability existed.

So, with all that said, I'll tentatively hold that the DF-100 currently in the DB is WAD. (At least until we catch wind of verifiable information that indicates otherwise.) Provided with consistent target data, it's theoretically capable of hitting a large, non-maneuvering ship. Otherwise...I'd recommend a more purpose-designed weapon.

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RE: DF-100 cruise missile’s anti-ship capability - 6/29/2021 1:34:10 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Pygmalion

This is an interesting one.

The thing with the DF-100 is that no one really knows whether or not the missile has a seeker. The Chinese claim it's capable of hitting "large warships," so some run with that and assume the missile carries at least a rudimentary seeker to help during terminal -- and avoid situations like the ones you're encountering in your game. What we can say with certainty is that if it does have a sensor, it's probably not very good. The DF-100 is primarily a land-attack missile, after all, and if there was a more capable sensor onboard I'd expect the Chinese to emphasize general anti-ship capabilities rather than just "large warships."

A competing theory holds that the DF-100 actually performs as modelled, with no sensor. It's theoretically possible of engaging a "large warship" via inertial targeting, provided the launcher receives location, speed, and heading data from another sensor, but if any of these should change then the missile will miss. This is supported by the Chinese themselves, who were evidently waffling on whether to classify the DF-100 as an anti-ship missile or a purely land-attack missile right up until the day they showed it off in parade.

Based on what we know, and extrapolating past Chinese behavior, I think the latter theory is more likely to be correct. The Chinese government often exaggerates new weapons' anti-ship capabilities (unsurprisingly, considering how important sea control is to both the U.S. and China), and we've yet to hear anything about a seeker on the DF-100 -- which, if I was China, I'd be keen to at least mention, if that capability existed.

So, with all that said, I'll tentatively hold that the DF-100 currently in the DB is WAD. (At least until we catch wind of verifiable information that indicates otherwise.) Provided with consistent target data, it's theoretically capable of hitting a large, non-maneuvering ship. Otherwise...I'd recommend a more purpose-designed weapon.

Well,you do have a point. It still needs more evidence to prove the weapon's capability. But I would like to see any sensor added on it to make the game more challenging when playing western side against China. We can't deny the possibilty that the weapon actually got an ARH right?

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RE: DF-100 cruise missile’s anti-ship capability - 6/29/2021 2:56:28 PM   
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Hey Sanyr1310,

I've added a request for a hypothetical unit based on this

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RE: DF-100 cruise missile’s anti-ship capability - 6/29/2021 3:01:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rory Noonan

Hey Sanyr1310,

I've added a request for a hypothetical unit based on this

Wow, that's awesome.

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