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New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land Down ... - 6/12/2021 11:14:12 AM   
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Here is the next offering in the Pacific theatre.

Pacific Fury 4, I Come from a Land Down Under, 1994

You are Commander of the newly formed Combined Task Force 165 (CTF-165). Your TF consists of mostly Australian and New Zealand assets but there are also American, Pilipino, Bruneian and British forces assigned to you. Your primary task is the reinforcement of Brunei, a small British aligned Sultanate rich in oil and natural gas on the Northwest coast of Borneo.

The main opposition is from the Soviet base at Cam Ranh Bay Vietnam but based on events of the past few days you should be prepared for anything.


As always your thoughts, comments and critiques are welcome.

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Edit: Ver 1.3 uploaded - final


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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/12/2021 6:03:58 PM   
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Still haven't tried a Vegimite Sandwich...

Looks awesome Gunner!

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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/12/2021 7:02:49 PM   
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Dang, that's a lot of tiny little straits to get stuck in. Perfect SS hunting grounds.

Edit: Lord help me if they've decided to mine them.

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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/12/2021 10:41:29 PM   
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This is...complicated.

Most of the orders pass a sanity check, but it's less than obvious how to get the Hueys from Darwin to Brunei. A 240-mile ferry range is insufficient to reach TG Endeavour, which is the nearest friendly site with available parking for A/C of that size at the start. I suppose we'll see if that changes as the scenario progresses.

Because of the 'be prepared for anything' mindset the briefing called for, I was too cautious in my initial deployments - I didn't have any MPA airborne when the first sub strikes happened, which was on me. But I looked at the OOB and there really was nothing I could have done about the initial bomber strikes (or really any until I could deploy the NZ forces).

About 3 hours in, I checked the path of TG Endeavour - it looks like even if it maintains flank speed, it can't get to the Brunei RPs before the scenario end time.

Approximately 6 hours in, it happened that HMS Chatham was unable to transit the Sunda Strait, even when I plotted the course, and was required to go the long way around Indonesia.

A few hours after that, I discovered I was unable to rebase aircraft to El Tari (though this more than any other play issue may have been PEBCAK).

I forgot to turn on autosave, and lost my progress when windows picked this moment to force an update.

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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/13/2021 12:22:32 AM   
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quote:

This is...complicated.


Yes

You may want to consider the Pilipino F-5s in your initial defence of Brunei. In many ways the early phase is a case of shadow boxing around Brunei, you cannot do very much, but neither can they. I do like watching the MiG-25s bomb from 60000 feet and miss by several hundred meters through

I believe that TG Endeavour can --just -- make it in time, but I'll need playtesters to advise me on that.

HMS Chatham can make it through the Sunda Strait, although I ran into the same pathing issue. Plotting a detailed course is needed to assist the pathing algorithm though

?PEBCAK? El Tari should be able to take your DH-4s - once you have landing authority

There are a few more complications waiting for you.

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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/13/2021 1:09:27 PM   
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What's the relationship like between the Philippines and Brunei? Could their F-5's stop in for a cup of tea and a biscuit, without causing an international crisis?

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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/13/2021 1:30:33 PM   
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quote:

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What's the relationship like between the Philippines and Brunei? Could their F-5's stop in for a cup of tea and a biscuit, without causing an international crisis?



Yes, but there is no ammo waiting for them there. I do understand that the tea is rather nice.

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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/13/2021 4:09:45 PM   
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Found the convoy at ~ 0600 Hrs on the morning of the 15th, but it's stopped, with a manually set speed of zero. Is there an event which should set it going at a specific time, or should I give it a nudge?

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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/13/2021 5:02:01 PM   
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Very strange - should have a manual set speed of 12 knts

Best you give it a nudge

Also can you send me a PM with the lat/long. With distances the way they are it needs to get south a bit before you can use some of your assets.

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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/13/2021 5:50:18 PM   
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I've loaded it up, but I've encountered pretty frustrating lag on realtime mode.

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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/13/2021 7:58:36 PM   
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Didn't get that, there are a lot of No-nav zones however. The AU count is fairly low.

Not sure why that might be happening

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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/13/2021 9:06:24 PM   
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<Knocks on door of diplomatic liaison staff.> So, no armed MPA in the Philippines. What about tankers? Completely unarmed, absolutely harmless, the cleanest and cuddliest planes you could imagine. Purely a goodwill visit, honest!

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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/13/2021 9:53:49 PM   
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Well if you recall the last scenario - there is a bit of a security issue there

So after the debacle (not so bad for you as it is in our story) of Cubi Point, the USAF is not keen on parking any more of their shiny big jets here... Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore - those are political issues, the Philippians is security.

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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/13/2021 11:10:47 PM   
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Ah yes, the rebellion, I'd not considered that. Mortar shells make for uncomfortable airfields.


There are 72 Harpoons at Guam. Were these intended to be there for the P-3s to use? Or are they left over from another scenario?


EDIT: Nevermind! Now I see what they're for.

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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/14/2021 1:01:19 AM   
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The Convoy 3 attack order mentions both B-52s at Guam and F-111s at Amberley, but the Lua action does not create the F-111s.

Should I add them, or have they been removed from the scenario?

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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/14/2021 9:26:38 AM   
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The F-111s should be there, that Lua action was working. I'll have to take another look

6x F-111 and 2x RF-111

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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/14/2021 7:52:44 PM   
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quote:

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Didn't get that, there are a lot of No-nav zones however. The AU count is fairly low.

Not sure why that might be happening

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Yeah, it's not at scenario outset, but it seems to start up within a few minutes of realtime play. All I really do is add some additional course legs to guide my vessels through Indonesia, and a ferry mission to start redeploying RNZAF aircraft toward Brunei (first leg from NZ to Townsville).

Additionally, the lag also seems to coincide with the Malaysians launching their aircraft patrols.

Within 5-10 minutes it starts to stutter to the point of not really being playable.

Yesterday I tried to overcome it by moving the CMO install to my main OS SSD Drive (a handy feature Steam offers) and there was no change. There's really no save to post as this consistently happens on loading the scenario fresh.

Additionally, the groups of off-short oil rigs off Brunei seem to keep flashing between group and unit view.

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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/14/2021 8:18:21 PM   
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Additionally, the groups of off-short oil rigs off Brunei seem to keep flashing between group and unit view


I noticed this as well, something to do with detections. I could make them allied but thought that would give too much info to the players.

I did not notice the lag, played through the first day + on 5/15/fire speed and it sailed along really quick. Some of the pathing solutions were really weird and went in and fixed it with a detailed course but it didn't slow down too much.

Perhaps as a test if you cold disable all the No-nav zones and see if that makes a difference?

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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/14/2021 11:37:01 PM   
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Sure I'll have a look at the No Nav zones

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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/14/2021 11:39:22 PM   
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Just got the request from New Guinea. Their bases are legitimate places to land aircraft, yes?

Although I don't know how to get a helicopter there. The closest ones at Darwin don't have remotely enough range to get there, even ferrying base to base. Was there supposed to be some sort of long-ranged helicopter at Sherger, or something like that?

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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/14/2021 11:48:12 PM   
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Okay i've loaded it up again. I had a hunch and just disabled the No-Nav Zone for the Malaysian bit of Borneo, since it was flickering in and out depending on camera position. It seems to have made an improvement. I've not had an instant of seconds hanging in Realtime mode.


Additionally, I think you should just ungroup the Oil Rigs. Keeping them Neutral is fine, but that flickering is just annoying.




UPDATE: Well, just my luck. Right after posting the above. The lag returned with a vengance.


I loaded the scenario in Editor mode, and ungrouped the oil rigs to see if that made any difference. Ungrouping them made it worse. I had two seperate times my PC froze.

Just a hunch. but I think the constant detections of the oilrigs (perhaps by land units) are really hogging resources. Perhaps making them Allied or Friendly (as a separate side even) could solve this. Just so my units don't keep reporting in the completely static oil rigs every second.


UPDATE 2:

I loaded the scenario up again in Editor mode, and this time I set the Player side to view the Civil (oil Rig) side as Friendly. I then did the same things I did last time.

Much improvment. I now for the first time actually detected Soviet forces (1x Nanuchka, 1x Bear Foxtrot) in the SCS.

I think that's what you should do. Having all those units repeatedly report seeing the Oil Rigs is an unnessicary use of processing resources.

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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/15/2021 12:09:02 AM   
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I suspect all the different sides are part of the issue. For aircraft, for example, I seem to get multiple detections of the same bogey when a new one launches. One report through the ally chain from the owner, and then multiple reports from my own units or different allies.

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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/15/2021 12:11:45 AM   
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And of course once I return after my last update, it's sluggish again.

While important for the scenario and story, all those Indonesian facilities could be a contributor.

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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/15/2021 1:00:09 AM   
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quote:

Was there supposed to be some sort of long-ranged helicopter at Sherger


OK, I've got the Lua event to pop a Sea King Mk50 HAS1 into Townsville, sitting on my notepad. Never made it to the scenario.

Was also thinking of adding a BN-2 Islander or F.406 Caravan but you already have quite a few fixed wing available.

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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/15/2021 1:01:24 AM   
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Roger, I'll try and slim them down a bit.

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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/15/2021 8:38:20 PM   
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What munitions had you intended the F-111s to have? Just the Harpoons that are already at Amberley, or other air-to-ground ordnance as well?

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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/15/2021 8:47:37 PM   
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Harpoon only, they are meant for that specific attack.

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RE: New scenario for testing PF#4, I come from a land D... - 6/16/2021 8:12:05 PM   
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Finally had some time to catch up with a sitrep.


SITUATION

Well, there's a war on, and its extending into the South China Sea, and all the way down to Australia. We've been tasked to reinforce the tiny oil-wealthy state of Brunei with troops delivered by air, and assemble an assortment of ships in the region to guard its off-shore oil infrastructure. Unfortunately there's an obstacle-course of unstable island nations between most of our forces and our objectives, and rebellious hot-spots are bursting into open flames throughout the region. Indonesia is guarding its own sovereign territory throughout its vast archipelago arc, Singapore will share data but has no room for us, Malaysia is reluctantly granting the most limited of basing (2 planes only!), and the southern Philippines are a rebellious mess where nobody wants to deploy aircraft. Meanwhile, Vietnam glowers at us from across the South China Sea, and although they're not hostile, their masters the Soviets definitely are. Some of their aircraft are already in the region at Cam Ranh Bay, and rumour has it that more forces will arrive soon.

We've got a few ships together to form TG Endeavour, heading up through the Banda Sea to deliver troops to Brunei, and a wide scattering of ships in ones and twos around southern and western edges of the theatre. Nowhere do we have more than two warships ships together, and none of them are truly powerful vessels. Our air assets are composed of numerous MPA, primarily P-3s, but they're all spread out around the periphery of our AO, far from the main zone of concern. We've also got some decent F-18s, but they're far south in distant Australia, and are required to stay based at home. At least we have a few tankers for them. Other than a few Philippine F-5s, and some A-4s which will eventually fly in from New Zealand, that's about it for combat air power. Last of all, we've got one O-boat in mid archipelago, and one British SSN, complete with lamentable British torpedoes, headed north into the South China Sea. If you look up 'scattered' in the dictionary, we're it...


THE PLAN

There's not much of a plan we can make at this point. My various ships will thread their way through the Indonesian islands, and I will try and provide P-3 cover for them, to proof their routes in advance. With so many choke-points to pass through, we are very vulnerable to lurking subs, who can simply wait in silence, confident we will pass within range. Hopefully the Russians haven't deployed this far south.

There's almost no chance to form up into strong task groups yet, and in most cases the ships will have to proceed as they are. I decide to send HMAS Newcastle (the Australian tail-less Perry) to hurry north and reinforce TG Endeavour, rather than having her stay back to support the Westralia. Westralia will head east, to pick up a helicopter from Darwin, before turning north for her main journey. Black Rover will head south down the west side of Borneo, to clear the combat zone. HMS Spartan is ordered north to patrol just off Cam Ranh Bay, to keep a close watch on any Russian ships lurking there.

Other than that, it'll be the normal procedure for reconnaissance and patrol, until we can identify the enemy positions and attack.


FIRST MOVE - RUSSIA vs BRUNEI OIL

ESM from our scouts rapidly pick up the position of the expected Nanuchka NNW of Brunei, a patrolling Bear, and some far distant MiG-29 radars, while our own radar picks up a pair of very high altitude contacts loitering (radar off) over the ocean. Those are presumably MiG-25s. I send out a Philippine F-5 to try and stalk the Bear if it gets any closer, but those MiGs mean I won't be able to operate over the South China Sea, and any MPA in the region will be at risk.

That Nanuchka is a problem, since it has long range missiles and long range OTH radar, which completely outclass the Exocets on my two Bruneian missile boats. It can see me first and shoot me first, long before I could engage it. I order the one at sea to hurry back into port, where it will hide with the other two until I can deal with the Nanuchka.

The Russians don't give me time to worry about that, because suddenly there's a high-velocity high-altitude missile hurtling in from the north. Nothing I have is remotely capable of intercepting or stopping it, and it smashes and sinks a tanker in short order. Fortunately, the Bear-hunting F-5 manages to intercept and kill the Blinder afterwards, but then four more are spotted. Two head for the airfield at Rimba, coming in low and fast, but the SHORADS there manage to shoot them down with a barrage of Mistrals, while the other two head for the Philippine radar site on Palawan. My second F-5 gets one of them, but the other one launches a huge missile at the radar site, only to see it malfunction and go corkscrewing across the sky, wildly out of control. The F-5s attack that last Blinder with cannon fire, and even though they hit it a couple of times it manages to make its escape.

The attacks continue. One of the other tankers off Brunei reports that it's being torpedoed, but my MPA are all far away, and there's nothing I can do to help. Some MiG-25s come screaming in at 18,000m and 1350 knots, and sprinkle my airbase with iron bombs. They miss so badly it's a wonder they hit the ground. But then another Blinder shows up, and I have no fighters to interfere with it. For a moment it looks like it might be hunting the fleeing Black Rover, but it launches its missile at another tanker and sinks that instead.

At 15:17, Malaysian MPA relay a spotting report on three incoming ships, moving towards Brunei at 10 knots, accompanied by the Nanuchka which now seems to be escorting them. Are they light amphibs of some sort? Maybe a raid? I've got nothing that can deal with them yet. My missile boats don't dare approach because of the Nanuchka, my own light aircraft are leery of the Nanuchka's SAMs, my F-5s are all re-arming for air-to-air (and they don't want to brave the MiG-25s anyway), and everything else is occupied elsewhere. Still, the boats are hours away, so I should have time to send a Harpoon-armed P-3, right?

That's when the Nanuchka starts engaging my oil platforms with its missiles, which I had not expected, completely destroying at least one of them before turning for home. It's a painful economic blow, but it also means my own missile boats are free to attack now that the enemy's missiles are gone. They come surging out of port at flank speed, and close on the three advancing ships which turn out to be very large trawlers. They sink those with a combination of Exocets and cannon fire, before dashing back to port for reloads. A P-3 does eventually arrive from Butterworth, and harpoons the retiring Nanuchka, but it is forced to return home almost immediately for lack of fuel.

It feels like the Russians are solidly in the lead here. I've managed to kill a few Blinders, a Nanuchka, and three trawlers, but the Russians have sunk three big tankers and wrecked two oil platforms. Not a great trade!


BRUNEI - REBELS ON THE GROUND

There's plenty happening on the ground too. Battlefield scout helicopters are sent out from the airfield in Brunei, and they almost immediately draw SAM fire from MANPADS in the south edge of the little country. Fortunately, these are old SA-7s, and the gunners are firing at long range, so the odds of a hit are quite low. Several of them are spotted this way, including one in Malaysia itself, and ground troops close in and kill most of them using a combination of mortar fire and direct fire from the Scorpion recce tanks.

There doesn't seem to be a lot of rebel activity near the Bruneian troops, but a lot more start showing up near the British forces in the west. These seem to be mostly technicals, armed with heavy automatic weapons, and they're actually quite dangerous to any plain infantry units. They start moving east, towards the Shell installations there, but the Ghurkas manage to whittle them down, with a combination of mortar fire, helicopter attacks (AS-11s proving to have dismal accuracy), rocketing from the little SF 260 attack planes (also dismal), nicely accurate Milans, and finally a few Scorpions. (Maybe my missile boats should have helped too, but they were busily hiding from the Nanuchka at this point.)

The first of several troop reinforcements starts late in the day, with Australian forces arriving by 707. More will arrive in the next few hours, so the situation seems stable here for the moment.


FIRST EVENING

As the fighting in Brunei goes into an evening lull, my ships continue to advance through the archipelago. The Westralia has picked up a helicopter flown in from Darwin by now, and has turned north, but this diversion eastward has put her well behind schedule, and I have to admit the decision was a mistake. It looks like she'll be a few hours too late, even if she steams at flank speed. (Lesson - measure routes and distances before committing!)

Things seem calm most other places, as P-3s try and proof lanes in front of advancing ships. Some P-3s have deployed to Christmas Island, and most of the others are moving up to Darwin, but even so the long ranges are a problem. This is particularly true for the distant TG Endeavour, where my P-3s have shorter and shorter times on station. Sonobuoy coverage in front of those ships is spotty at best. My SS, the Onslow is doing what it can to keep ahead of the TG, snorkelling frequently, and pausing to listen, but she won't be able to maintain her position for much longer.

The most excitement is in the centre of the Sulu Strait, where the patrol boat Pangasinan suddenly notices that the civilian traffic among the islands there includes a number of fast movers, which are suddenly closing at an alarming 38 knots! The captain turns to put them on the starboard aft quarter, just within the arc of his main gun, and accelerates to a mighty 15 knot flank speed, trying to reduce the closure rate. All glasses are pointed at the approaching boats, and when the first one gets within two miles he orders his gunners to fire. The Boghammers are fast, but very fragile, and a few hits are enough to slow them down. The Pangasinan manages to tackle them one at a time, keeping out of their gun range, and then circles around to shoot up the armed dhows which are following more slowly in their wake. The engagement goes well, and the Pangasinan continues to patrol, eventually finding a second pack of Boghammers shortly after midnight. That engagement turns out to be rather riskier, since it almost runs my ship out of ammunition, and the crew retire to the Philippine naval base at Rio Hondo to reload and patch a few bullet holes.


POLITICS AND INTELLIGENCE

Politics never sleeps, and I soon get an interesting political choice to make. Would I like access to Indonesian airspace, removing those geographical barriers which are keeping my P-3s from reaching their patrol zones? All I have to do is bomb the East Timorese! And eat a heaping plateful of hypocrisy, of course... After all, our government has been trying to protect them from persecution for some time now. I'm given an hour to reflect and decide. While it would be very helpful to have access, I think we can scrape by without it. I tell HQ that we will try to manage without the Indonesian help.

The news from Intel is much less controversial. They've got confirmation that a major Soviet convoy, P-9417, is headed for Cam Ranh Bay. It's coming through between Taiwan and Luzon, and should reach its destination in 2 to 3 days. Clearly, we'd like to interfere with this, but it's a long way from our strike assets. HMS Spartan is ordered to accelerate its progress towards Cam Ranh Bay, and take up a patrol station 30 miles off-shore in the anticipated direction of the convoy. That will help, but pinning our hopes on one sub is much too risky a gamble. Far better to hit them some other way. The P-3 guys keep muttering to each other, and measuring the map. They're up to something, I can tell, but so far they won't say exactly what.


INTO THE NIGHT

Enemy air-power is still active in the night. Singaporean patrol planes report numerous ESM contacts from large formations of Vietnamese MiG-21s, at one point counting 24 of them active at one time! They seem to come and go, and we come to the conclusion that this is some sort of intermittent CAP. At first it seems absurd to have so many up, but on reflection I really don't want to push into a swarm like that, even with superior aircraft. Quantity has a quality of its own...

The loitering Bear eventually goes away shortly after dark, but another one shows up, along with fresh MiGs around 22:00 hrs. An F-5 goes up to loiter, in case the Bear comes south, but it seems to be staying north now. Instead, a May comes sniffing around, so the F-5 obligingly shoots it down instead. The Bear's turn comes later, when another F-5 gets it by swinging around from the north, nervously eyeing the MiG-29s and 25s for signs of hostile action.

The enemy fighters seem to be quiescent, so one of my P-3s from Butterworth takes advantage of the darkness to make a discrete radar-off hunt for the sub (subs?) which was operating near Brunei. The sonobuoys turn up one false target, but nothing else. Maybe the sub has gone home for reloads? In any case, the P-3 soon has to leave for fuel, and the crew is happy to go. Those MiG-25s have the potential to dash in and snap up a P-3 before there is any hope of escape, if they decide to leave their station.

Another pair of P-3s arrives from Guam, flying pure reconnaissance missions. They fly across the northern Philippines, and press on towards the west, hunting for the convoy, and at first there's no sign of it. The southern plane gets so far west that it picks up a sniff of a couple of 2-ship Vietnamese patrol groups operating off Phu Cat. They seem to be sub hunter groups, and they're not an immediate concern. The other plane finds the convoy further north than I had expected, and cheerfully radios its position back to base. Then, having waved their radars around long enough, they go radio silent and return to Guam.

Administrative moves are continuing too. More airliners are trickling in to Brunei, and dropping off troops as quickly as they can, before refuelling and heading back to Darwin. (Nobody wants to linger here, fat and helpless in the war zone.) The A-4s arrive from New Zealand, demanding to be armed immediately, only to be told that the C-130 full of munitions won't be here for at least half a day. The pilots express their frank displeasure at this boneheaded move. I should have kept the A-4s securely at home and timed them to arrive along with the C-130. The F-18s are on the move too, having hopped up to Darwin to give them a little more range in the coming day. With any luck, we can soon try and regain some of the initiative.


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Interesting choice with Indonesia. Curious to see how it turns out later

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Interesting choice with Indonesia. Curious to see how it turns out later


I guess you anticipate most players will abandon any moral pretenses and bomb the East Timorese to defeat the Evil Empire.

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