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What is the verdict on production technology investment? - 6/9/2021 11:28:04 AM   
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Where does it fall on your list of priorities?
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RE: What is the verdict on production technology invest... - 6/9/2021 12:38:24 PM   
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for me

for USSR its about 8th
even lower for USA

and rarely researched for the rest of the Allies

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RE: What is the verdict on production technology invest... - 6/9/2021 10:33:39 PM   
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for me

for USSR its about 8th
even lower for USA

and rarely researched for the rest of the Allies


Not even one level in the US? Build more for less?

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RE: What is the verdict on production technology invest... - 6/10/2021 7:01:59 AM   
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Marcinos85 has done a good guide on this

Normally don’t get round to investing in this as USA until 43 at the earliest

Tend to prioritise

Industry > Navy > Air Power > Land Power > Intel

Beforehand

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RE: What is the verdict on production technology invest... - 6/10/2021 10:38:46 AM   
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It's a very tricky tech, for sure.
How does one even compare "reduced national morale loss" to a straight +1 to all stats.

Can't even do the math as readily as with industry tech - your industrial base is fairly predictable, but how much of that will be spent (re)building and reinforcing units.. who knows...

So it tends to end up way on the bottom of the list.

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RE: What is the verdict on production technology invest... - 6/10/2021 7:55:05 PM   
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Not even one level in the US? Build more for less?


USA is probably the only country which benefits for real from PT, because they have to raise nearly an entire army. Discount will indeed save a lot of MPP's. How many levels for them are enough? Around early-mid 1941 you should start to buy units as US. So double chitting PT early game should give you enough benefit from around late 1941, as lvl 2 finishes. Going for lvl 3 will probably cause it to arrive around mid 1942, when you will be already pumping out stuff quickly. And you must be quick, you should time your landings around end of 1942, start of 1943, depending on USSR condition.

USSR will also benefit from starting chit in PT - I used to refund it, but they buyback so many units that you will feel difference in MPP's.

This isn't true for China, because they are so MPP poor, that after US aid stops for around 18 turns, they won't be able to rebuy armies, even with discount. It's better to refund the tech, buy AA gun quickly, it will pay off.

India doesn't have luxury to pick techs like this, they must prepare themselves for JP attack and you don't do this with macro techs.

UK is a strange one. Yes, you will have to buy some stuff, so discount would pay off. But really Churchill has to be irritating for GER from the get go, and you don't do this by investing in macro techs.

That's my personal opinion.
You may argue that in mathematical terms PT nearly always pays off MPP wise. But this doesn't take into account, that it's 1941-1942 period, which determines the outcome, at least against very good players. And I like to asses situation as if you were playing against World Champion in this game, this forces you to make meaningful decisions every time.

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RE: What is the verdict on production technology invest... - 6/10/2021 10:22:50 PM   
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And I like to asses situation as if you were playing against World Champion in this game, this forces you to make meaningful decisions every time.


I like the way you think.

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RE: What is the verdict on production technology invest... - 6/10/2021 10:43:13 PM   
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You have to buy 3000 MPPs worth of units (incl. rebuilds) to break even. You thus are robbing Peter to pay Paul-do you need that 150 for something else, another tech?

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RE: What is the verdict on production technology invest... - 6/14/2021 9:03:30 PM   
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For the US I invest a few chits in PT - is it a good investment? Not sure and I invest in Industrial and S&I first as well as infantry/air/tank/naval/ground attack/amphib first. For others, I leave the starting chit for Russia and maybe invest one chit as Germany but again not sure that's the "right" move.

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RE: What is the verdict on production technology invest... - 6/14/2021 10:29:51 PM   
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Seems to me that if the game is properly written to reflect real life, investing in PT and IT is the exactly right thing to do as the US; build up that industrial/production might that made America the feared sleeping giant. Expect to invest three each, America! But no need to double chit. No rush.

But what do I know? I am still learning the game's nuances.

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