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Advancement change for infantry corps - 5/27/2021 7:42:57 PM   
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Hi,

It seems that to change the advancement of a normal infantry corps (but no other units), it is cheaper to split the corps, change (and pay for) only one of the 2 or 3 divisions and then merge them all in the changed division. The price can then be reduced by up to 67%.

I wanted to know if it was meant to be this way or if, on the contrary, it was overlooked? Maybe it was meant to not allow different types to merge (like for Garrisons vs non-Garrison)?

I do not mind that much but since we will always do it if allowed it is a hassle, and poor (in all ways) Italy can not even do it. But in both case, I want to know if it was meant to be that way.
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RE: Advancement change for infantry corps - 5/27/2021 7:52:28 PM   
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May be there is a regression but last time I have checked, merging two divisions with 1939 Assault and 1940 Assault, the small corps is 1939 Assault.
If not, this is a bug.

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RE: Advancement change for infantry corps - 5/27/2021 8:02:35 PM   
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Hi,

What I mean is that if you want to change, for example, a whole corps from one to the other, it would normally cost 30. But if you split them first you can only pay 10 for the first division and then merge the other two in that one. And then you have what you wanted originally but for 10 PPs instead of 30.

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RE: Advancement change for infantry corps - 5/27/2021 8:46:22 PM   
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You can change unit advancement between assault or anti-tank entirely for free by merging divisions or half armies.

I use this to convert all UK, French and USA Infantry to Anti-tank for free in the 1939 scenarios mostly. This way I never have to research assault.

All you need is one div of each type to go either one way or the other.

We're wondering if this is an acceptable practice or a loophole in the code that should/will be fixed.

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RE: Advancement change for infantry corps - 5/27/2021 8:48:16 PM   
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This seems like something that may have been missed and therefore exploitable...

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RE: Advancement change for infantry corps - 5/27/2021 8:51:45 PM   
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ok I'll look into it.

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RE: Advancement change for infantry corps - 5/27/2021 9:39:36 PM   
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A simple solution would be to prohibit two units from merging unless they are of the same type (ie either both assault or both anti-tank).

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RE: Advancement change for infantry corps - 5/27/2021 11:52:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Harrybanana

A simple solution would be to prohibit two units from merging unless they are of the same type (ie either both assault or both anti-tank).


I agree however, this may have an undesirable impact on the Soviets.
Their free armies are all assault armies and their starting rifle units that get freely converted to half armies are all assault as well.
This would seem force/favor the Soviets down the assault advancement path or become saddled with having to manage units that can't freely merge as they can now. PP is always tight with the Soviets I don't see the Soviets putting PP aside to pay for changing unit advancement types at any point in time. Early they need to spend on units and if they do have spare PP they have so many units it would cost a fortune or no longer matter due to the war's imminent end.

It must be said that currently merging divisions to change type is "free" with regards to PP however there is a cost in time, movement and micromanaging units.

But if my micromanaging skills can take a rest I'll gladly adapt!

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RE: Advancement change for infantry corps - 5/28/2021 5:21:32 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Harrybanana

A simple solution would be to prohibit two units from merging unless they are of the same type (ie either both assault or both anti-tank).


Could be yes.

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RE: Advancement change for infantry corps - 5/28/2021 5:26:03 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Villain

I agree however, this may have an undesirable impact on the Soviets.
Their free armies are all assault armies and their starting rifle units that get freely converted to half armies are all assault as well.
This would seem force/favor the Soviets down the assault advancement path or become saddled with having to manage units that can't freely merge as they can now. PP is always tight with the Soviets I don't see the Soviets putting PP aside to pay for changing unit advancement types at any point in time. Early they need to spend on units and if they do have spare PP they have so many units it would cost a fortune or no longer matter due to the war's imminent end.

It must be said that currently merging divisions to change type is "free" with regards to PP however there is a cost in time, movement and micromanaging units.



Despite their initial advancement is Assault, I am always buying Anti-Tank infantry rifle corps at the beginning. And I was already managing my Red army to be sure to merge advancement of the same year not to lose PP.

So, it won't change anything to me. It is only in 1943 that I switch some core units from Anti-Tank to Assault. A bulk of Anti-Tank and an Assault force to push the Germans.


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RE: Advancement change for infantry corps - 5/30/2021 4:52:33 PM   
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Fixed. Now it will cost to change back to the merged into unit. A message will appear if you don't have enough PPs

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