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New Panzer Campaigns Kiev '43 Released - 5/14/2021 6:54:58 AM   
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Greetings to All,
John Tiller Software has released new Panzer Campaign Kiev '43.
https://www.johntillersoftware.com/PanzerCampaigns/Kiev43.html

There are preview files links too:
Design and Campaign Notes (6.4 MB PDF file)
Situation Maps (5.45 MB PDF file)
Programmed Weather Chart (43.8 KB PDF file)
Game Turn Track (53 KB PDF file)
Getting Started Help (2.4 MB PDF file)
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RE: New Panzer Campaigns Kiev '43 Released - 5/16/2021 1:25:20 PM   
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Now, I'm waiting for some sort of Baltic states/Leningrad Campaign. AGN seems to be seriously discriminated against in Panzer Campaigns...

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RE: New Panzer Campaigns Kiev '43 Released - 5/16/2021 2:34:38 PM   
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Now, I'm waiting for some sort of Baltic states/Leningrad Campaign. AGN seems to be seriously discriminated against in Panzer Campaigns...


That might be because the terrain is more for infantry warfare than open terrain favoring armoured and mobile forces.

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RE: New Panzer Campaigns Kiev '43 Released - 5/16/2021 2:42:39 PM   
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That might be because the terrain is more for infantry warfare than open terrain favoring armoured and mobile forces.

Not sure that that is it, the series has several titles covering operations in non-panzer terrain (a couple of Japan titles, Rzhev, Normandy, etc) and several winter East Front titles that also feature very restricted mobility.

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RE: New Panzer Campaigns Kiev '43 Released - 5/16/2021 2:47:20 PM   
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That might be because the terrain is more for infantry warfare than open terrain favoring armoured and mobile forces.

Not sure that that is it, the series has several titles covering operations in non-panzer terrain (a couple of Japan titles, Rzhev, Normandy, etc) and several winter East Front titles that also feature very restricted mobility.


Normandy may be covered because it is famous and may appear to be incomplete without it. Japanese scenarios may be included to cover more of the war. The winter operations were difficult and may be included to show that as well.

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RE: New Panzer Campaigns Kiev '43 Released - 5/16/2021 3:21:33 PM   
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What are the differences between these versions (renamed "gold" but not Kiev ?) and the old version edited by HPS ?

Thanks,

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RE: New Panzer Campaigns Kiev '43 Released - 5/16/2021 4:18:43 PM   
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What are the differences between these versions (renamed "gold" but not Kiev ?) and the old version edited by HPS ?

Thanks,


better 2D graphics, new scenarios, improved OOBs...

edit: + sometimes new soundfiles

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RE: New Panzer Campaigns Kiev '43 Released - 5/16/2021 4:19:56 PM   
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The latest patches are not fully compatible with the old HPS games, too many things have changed since then

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RE: New Panzer Campaigns Kiev '43 Released - 5/16/2021 5:18:25 PM   
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Normandy may be covered because it is famous and may appear to be incomplete without it. Japanese scenarios may be included to cover more of the war. The winter operations were difficult and may be included to show that as well.

LOL, right, so a Baltic campaign could be included to "cover more of the war" or to show that fighting there was difficult as well...so what's your point?

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RE: New Panzer Campaigns Kiev '43 Released - 5/16/2021 5:29:11 PM   
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Normandy may be covered because it is famous and may appear to be incomplete without it. Japanese scenarios may be included to cover more of the war. The winter operations were difficult and may be included to show that as well.

LOL, right, so a Baltic campaign could be included to "cover more of the war" or to show that fighting there was difficult as well...so what's your point?


They can't do everything so they hit the highlights of the important theatres plus other areas.

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RE: New Panzer Campaigns Kiev '43 Released - 5/16/2021 5:34:38 PM   
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Not sure that that is it, the series has several titles covering operations in non-panzer terrain (a couple of Japan titles, Rzhev, Normandy, etc) and several winter East Front titles that also feature very restricted mobility.


There were several mobile units vs the drive towards Leningrad.

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RE: New Panzer Campaigns Kiev '43 Released - 5/16/2021 9:28:28 PM   
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If I do purchase this one, it will be in memory of John Tiller's untimely passing.

With every Panzer Campaigns game except Japan '46, I just can't justify it otherwise. Sandwiched between Kursk'43 and Korsun '44, gosh, it's just more of the same. The map size is good - but half the size of Moscow '41 - and the scenario count is higher than most.

Now, another Panzer Battles title, or even a Western Front scenario, I'd go for.

Thanks for the heads-up, though!

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RE: New Panzer Campaigns Kiev '43 Released - 5/17/2021 4:12:41 PM   
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Keep in mind that the battles chosen for development in this series depend a lot on what the people doing the research and design want to focus on. Each game draws from a group of people who work off and on on these things, so there is overlap, but each title represents one person's or team's particular interest. So there probably isn't much of a detailed roadmap for what to cover or not to cover. If you want something in particular, you might drop WDS a line and see if anyone bites.

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RE: New Panzer Campaigns Kiev '43 Released - 5/17/2021 5:15:52 PM   
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I always thought about wargaming designing or to be a new historian graduate to be all about what sources available to them. It is less about being idealistic about history what they are interested most, more about sources they have. It is mostly same for writing history book.

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RE: New Panzer Campaigns Kiev '43 Released - 5/17/2021 5:25:17 PM   
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Sandwiched between Kursk'43 and Korsun '44, gosh, it's just more of the same.

I don't really agree that this is just "more of the same"...other than the fact that all of the battles that you mention were on the Eastern Front, they have very little in common--the battles were completely different, in different seasons, etc. I'm looking forward to picking this one up.

I can say that I learn more--or perhaps "understand" or "appreciate" more would be better terms--from Panzer Campaigns games than almost any other games I play.

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RE: New Panzer Campaigns Kiev '43 Released - 5/17/2021 11:58:04 PM   
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Wargame Design Studio does a tremendous job. And yes, the research and documentation serves far better than almost any book on a topic this narrow in scope.

I also take back my "more of the same" comment. Especially as it was before I opened up all the PDFs that are free to peruse on the product page.

And yes, it looks like they dedicated this one to John Tiller.

My issue is more about coming to grips with a life-long addiction!

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RE: New Panzer Campaigns Kiev '43 Released - 5/18/2021 1:28:33 AM   
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My issue is more about coming to grips with a life-long addiction!

I must have 3-4 Tiller games that I've never played (yet)--not through lack of interest but lack of time. But this one looks...different :-)

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RE: New Panzer Campaigns Kiev '43 Released - 5/18/2021 1:31:19 AM   
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With all the improvements by Wargame Design Studio, have they improved the AI at all?
Thanks.

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RE: New Panzer Campaigns Kiev '43 Released - 5/18/2021 11:39:59 AM   
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With all the improvements by Wargame Design Studio, have they improved the AI at all?

I don't think so, although I usually don't play against the AI, so not sure. I understand that the AI is sort of OK in smaller, shorter scenarios. I have tried the AI in a couple of full campaign games, and that didn't go well...

These days I hotseat vs myself in the campaign games, generally there is too much going on for me to remember much of what I've done as the other side...

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RE: New Panzer Campaigns Kiev '43 Released - 5/19/2021 12:55:56 AM   
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I never considered hotseat against myself with the PzC series of games. Maybe because of so many counters to move.

I did do this with Matrix World in Flames years ago and got a great Eastern Front game experience. So many turns/phases for each side that I had no idea what I had done previously. I also skipped many phases and just concentrated on the EF land war.

Well, PzC definitely has better AI than WiF, as WiF doesn't have one yet!

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RE: New Panzer Campaigns Kiev '43 Released - 5/19/2021 4:12:51 AM   
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I never considered hotseat against myself with the PzC series of games. Maybe because of so many counters to move.

Yeah, all the counters is sort of what makes solo hotseat work! The maps are so big, and there are so many counters, it is hard to keep what track of what I'm doing for one side, much less two. But seriously, I found that if I turn off place names, it becomes really difficult to keep track of where I am on the map, especially when I switch sides. I can't say it is the greatest wargaming experience, but it is very tolerable and better than playing the AI. And I'll never play one of those monster campaigns against another player, too long/big.

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RE: New Panzer Campaigns Kiev '43 Released - 5/19/2021 11:12:32 AM   
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... And I'll never play one of those monster campaigns against another player, too long/big.



Group play works ok. But I wouldnt go over 2-3 per side.

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RE: New Panzer Campaigns Kiev '43 Released - 5/19/2021 2:40:08 PM   
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I would like to see a map editor. No, not the 'clip a piece of map'. I mean a true map editor.

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RE: New Panzer Campaigns Kiev '43 Released - 5/19/2021 8:00:19 PM   
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I would like to see a map editor. No, not the 'clip a piece of map'. I mean a true map editor.

Agreed. If PzC ever gets a real map editor I don't think I'd ever look at TOAW again.

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