...I can not stand the thought of muzzling free speach..PERIOD.
Alcibades, who ever you are. LISTEN and READ. ElvisJJonesRambo is no racist. He has been a member of many grognard gaming communities for decades. If you would of done some due diligence and looked into it..you would understand that its his style. Edgy yes, but its a role. And btw..you had mentioned on this thread "getting redress" if something wasn't done by the moderators here. What exactly do you mean, hmmm,? Inquiring minds would like to know.
I can only judge people by their speech and action; I am not obligated to do an exhaustive research on someone's background before forming my opinion about his character. Also, it's irrelevant whether the poster is a racist or not. Please distinguish between calling someone racist and pointing out racist speech. For the umpteenth time, the point I am trying to get across here is that words such as "Japs" and "Nips" are widely recognized as racist slurs today. This is not based on my own subjective personal opinion, as your friend implies; you can look up any reputable, accessible online source even. Consequently, I wanted to alert the moderators about the issue in the hope that they would properly moderate. If they do nothing about it, then the next step would likely be what I always do in a similar situation: Bring up the issue with someone higher up who can address it.
As for your position on "free speech": Suffice to say we differ dramatically. Even the law on free speech law, I must stress, recognizes many limits on it. You cannot, for instance, yell "fire" on a crowded theater - as Justice Holmes famously noted - because it may lead to public harm in the form of ensuing panic and possible stampede. In actual courts, the right to free speech is often balanced against potential harm. No right, even in this most rights-oriented society, is absolute; they are always balanced against other people's rights. Or do you think I should be permitted to hijack every thread and post "free Tibet!"?
But I don't want to get derailed on free speech law; I did enough of that kind of law aeons ago. Let me ask you this hypothetical: Do you think a poster should be permitted to litter the forum with the "n-" word, as long as he himself is not a racist? If you say "yes," then, well, there is not much more to discuss between us. But if you do say "yes," then I think even the moderators here - who have been extraordinarily permissive regarding racist speech toward Asians - would disagree.
(But then, the devs let people post racial slurs such as "Nips" and "Japs" repeatedly on this forum, so I doubt it.)
If we can, I'd kindly ask to not go down this road please? The forums are managed by Matrix and ourselves and sometimes things are missed. Please do let us know, Matrix and ourselves, and we are happy to address any concerns and address any issues that need to be handled in the forums.
Scanning the forums once or twice a day and something might be missed or mistakes can happen, and while I agree that we can avoid certain words I don't ever remember anyone using the word "Nip", at least not in recent memory. If I'm wrong please point us in the direction of this and we would be happy to address it.
I agree on the word Japs and would just kindly ask everyone to please avoid using this going forward.
I think we are all in agreement about the issue and at this point we are just beating a dead horse so I really don't see the issue anymore at this point. Elvis has said he would change his ways and has been as polite and conceding as possible. I can tell you that all the guys in here are good guys including the Devs so for you to go after the Devs pisses me off to be honest. They cannot word police everybody and that is not their job nor does that make them racist either. They are just making a game for everyone to enjoy. This is a great community and you are welcome to join us or not. No need to keep beating a dead horse. The issue has been settled and we can all move along now. None of us would tolerate racism and that is not what is happening here. That being said it has been a healthy debate and I am glad you brought it up but let's not get carried away at this point...
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