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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/15/2021 4:27:14 AM   
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JULY 19, 1940

3 MS Sunk and another 2 U-Boat hits. This seems to be becoming the pattern in the BoA in both our games.

The British and French launch several counter attacks. I assume this is to inflict maximum casualties on the Germans before the battle of France comes to an end. I understand this for the French; but for the British I think it is a waste.

I again had 2 choices. Attack south and either destroy or cutoff his UK Armour and Mech; or attack West to destroy his British Infantry.




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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/15/2021 4:31:28 AM   
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I chose to attack West because it had the added benefit of capturing Rouen and Paris in order to bring the battle of France to a close.




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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/15/2021 4:37:01 AM   
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The 3 remaining UK units make a run for it. The French are so weak it would be simple to conquer all of France rather than accepting Vichy surrender. But I made that mistake once before and will never do so again. IMHO there should be some sort of reward for conquering all of France rather than the existing penalties. It would at least make the Allied player think twice before making all those attacks on the last turn.






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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/15/2021 4:39:01 AM   
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The UK mobile forces will escape. But I think I have his HQ trapped.




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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/15/2021 4:41:29 AM   
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Forces and Casualties. The most surprising statistic for me is the 16 U-Boat hits vs only 1 sunk escort and a rather paltry number of MS sunk.

As I said before, the Casualties numbers can be very misleading. I shattered 5 UK Large Corps which alone would be 150 Casualties.




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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/16/2021 5:30:52 AM   
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AUG 16, 1940

Only 2 MS sunk, but at least no hits on my U-Boats.

The UK 1st Army did not escape.

In reviewing the screenshots posted above I see that his HQ was on a rail line a couple turns ago and so could have railed to a port and escaped. I feel for Hadros because I have made the same mistake.




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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/16/2021 5:31:55 AM   
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I am ready to attack Yugoslavia next turn.




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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/16/2021 1:23:18 PM   
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So it looks like you only lost on Mech but took out a ton of UK units?

If that is the case you definitely won that round HEAVILY.

In the mirror...sadly I think he is toast. You can not lose 2 armor and a mech as the Germans and continue. Those loses are irreplaceable this early.


I think the Germans can only lose a single armor / mech OR perhaps a pair on infantry...at most, any more and they will not get very far. But perhaps you will make a crippling mistake. Never know.

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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/16/2021 3:13:15 PM   
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In this game what may save Hadros is how poorly the BoA is going for me. Unless things change he won't have to put as much production into Escorts and MS as usual and can use the saved production to build back his UK Army. With him having lost so many UK units I contemplating doing a 41 Sealion. In our mirror game I agree that it will be very difficult for the Germans to recover; but you never know. I have not yet played with the new rules for Russia, so major mistakes are possible.

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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/16/2021 3:29:47 PM   
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Russia is weak...but missing 3 mech units is huge.


I always have a horrible BOA so always have to go big on armor and win elsewhere. I am used to it.

I am pretty sure my Uboats are built with screen doors and they never close them.

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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/16/2021 3:39:39 PM   
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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/16/2021 3:52:35 PM   
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Official. HB does not play Beta.

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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/17/2021 5:28:04 AM   
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AUG 30, 1940

The Battle of the Atlantic may already be lost. Another 4 MS sunk, but 4 more U-Boat hits. I have never seen anything like this in all my games. The closest I have seen is in our mirror game where Hadros is also doing very bad; just not as bad as me. The most surprising thing is that my U-Boats are being soundly defeated even if the Allies have less than the maximum number of escorts. The 2 hits on U-138 in particular will come back to haunt me.




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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/17/2021 5:30:28 AM   
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The invasion of Yugoslavia gets underway.




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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/17/2021 5:33:53 AM   
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The U-Boat woes continue. 5 MS and an escort sunk but also 5 more U-Boat hits; including 3 hits on U-138 to sink it. So 8 escorts score 5 U-Boat hit over 2 turns. Are we sure that there have not been any Rule changes???




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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/17/2021 5:37:47 AM   
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Luckily the land war is going much better. Yugoslavia is conquered.




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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/17/2021 5:39:22 AM   
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As is mainland Vichy France (at least I think it was, but now I don't remember getting the Conquest message at the end of my turn).




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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/17/2021 5:40:59 AM   
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Algiers is also captured to conquer Vichy North Africa.




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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/17/2021 11:18:49 AM   
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You found my Uboats...I thought I lost them.

Honestly...that is my Uboats 80% of the time.


And where if the UK navy? I don't understand why they are not sinking the Italian fleet in Africa.
Did he sustain too many losses in France?

Normally in the UK all in losses for the UK are on average 1 corps. He lost quite a few.

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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/17/2021 5:00:38 PM   
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You found my Uboats...I thought I lost them.

Honestly...that is my Uboats 80% of the time.


Truly? I have had bad luck with the U-Boats before (and good luck as well) but never anywhere near this bad. I have had 1 U-Boat Hit for every 2 MS sunk and have only sunk 2 (or is it 3) escorts.


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And where if the UK navy? I don't understand why they are not sinking the Italian fleet in Africa.
Did he sustain too many losses in France?


Mostly on escort duty I think. He has not sustained any hits to the RN yet (other than escorts). But the RN does have a lot to do at this stage of the War. They have to have one fleet stationed in England in case the Kriegsmarine tries to breakout. They have to keep another fleet in the East Med to prevent Axis invasions (if you have ever played ComradejaKorps you would realize the necessity of this). This doesn't leave them much to put in Gibraltar to watch the West Med.

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Normally in the UK all in losses for the UK are on average 1 corps. He lost quite a few.


Yes, but he didn't use the All-In strategy. He just had 5 Infantry Corps, an armour, a mech and an HQ. With the All-In there would have been at least 1 more armour and 1 more Mech. But rather than building these it is clear that Hadros spent a lot of his early UK and Canadian production on MS and escorts. As it turns out these will probably not be needed.

His mistake, IMHO, in France was the turn where he went all out attacking with the British and French forces. This left him too vulnerable to my counterattack the following turn.

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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/17/2021 5:08:30 PM   
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SEPTEMBER 27, 1940

Nothing of interest to report except the BoA continues to go poorly. Only 2 MS sunk and 2 more hits on my U-Boats. The only reason he didn't score more hits is because I raided the Pan-American zone where he didn't have any escorts. I occupy all the ports in French North Africa. I know some players don't bother conquering French North Africa because of all the ports that need to be occupied; but it is also quite defensible terrain and it keeps the Allies far from Italy. Oh yeah, I also start blockading Malta and move several air units within range.





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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/17/2021 5:54:08 PM   
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OCTOBER 11, 1940

A Glorious Victory has been won by the U-Boats of the Kriegsmarine as 3 MS of a heavily protected convoy (ie 10 escorts) are sunk with no U-Boat losses. Otherwise little of note happens, except that German Heavy Armour advances to tech 41. At this rate I may have Tech 42 by the time of Barbarossa (or Sealion, I haven't decided yet).

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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/18/2021 2:19:31 AM   
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No MS sunk as the U-Boats head to port to lick their wounds. Otherwise I just rail some units East.

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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/18/2021 8:43:47 PM   
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0 Ms Sunk

The Brits abandon Malta so it is occupied by the Italians.

Hadros and I are following very similar grand strategies as the Axis. Neither of us have invaded Norway, the Netherlands or Greece and neither of us are advancing into Egypt. Both of us have now conquered Malta. We both seem to be planning a 41 Barbarossa rather than a 41 Sealion. The only significant difference is that I conquered Vichy France and Vichy North Africa and he did not.

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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/18/2021 8:46:41 PM   
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I am surprised the let Vichy Africa fall without much of a fight. I normally own western Africa...that way it forces the Axis to put more units down there...not like the UK infantry is doing much else.

Then again he may have lost to many.

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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/18/2021 8:47:00 PM   
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0 MS Sunk. Iraq is invaded by the UK. While examining my unit in Baghdad I accidentally moved it. Oh well, it wasn't likely to do any damage anyway. Rumania and Hungary join the Axis cause.

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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/18/2021 8:50:32 PM   
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3 MS Sunk and U-Boat tech advances to 42. But I have decided not to build any more U-Boats. The 6 I have will have to do the job. Well of course they won't do the job, but at this stage I don't think 9 U-Boats would do the job either.

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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/18/2021 8:51:44 PM   
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5 MS sunk. The Brits conquer Iraq. Persia looks to be next.

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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/19/2021 2:57:07 PM   
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JANUARY 3, 1941

A whopping 14 MS and 2 escorts are sunk for the cost of 2 U-Boats. Maybe I should build more U-Boats. Otherwise no action as I continue to move units East.


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RE: HB (Axis) vs Hadros (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/19/2021 3:01:49 PM   
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JANUARY 17, 1941

6 MS sunk. So in the last 3 turns I have sunk as many MS as I did in the 12 turns prior and for the loss of only 2 U-Boats compared with 15 prior.

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