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Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) Hadros Welcome
Hadros challenged me to mirror games and, even though I hadn't played in over a month, I accepted. We played mirror games previously and I found Hadros to be a very good player; so I was expecting a good challenge. What I didn't expect was for him to give me an early schooling on the newest strategy and tactics since I last played. I wasn't planning on doing AARs, but the games are interesting and moving at a leisurely pace, so I figured why not.
It is now February 2, 1940. The war has progressed mostly as usual in that both Poland and Denmark were conquered as expected. The biggest surprise so far (at least for me) is that Hadros conquered Poland with minimal land casualties and without using the Luftwaffe at all. Which just goes to prove what I have said before that in this game "air power" should really be called "air really not necessary". Having said that, Hadros did find a better use for the Luftwaffe than bombing units, namely bombing my French industry. Who would have thought that the German bombers that were historically rather ineffective at bombing industry could in fact reduce the French industry at Lille to a shambles in just 4 weeks. My British and French fighters put up a brave resistance in the closing days of September 39, but they were no match for the Germans. Hadros then switched targets to other French industrial cities. It wasn't until I discovered that British AA can be placed in France and finally positioned my fighters properly, that I was able to save what was left of French industry.
At this point Hadros switched to bombing my Maginot line units. Again, I would have thought that dug in units in fortified hexes would be able to give as good as they got. But again I was wrong. Over the course of a miserable Fall and Winter the Luftwaffe has knocked off 16 French strength points while suffering only 1 air loss.
Below is the Map of France as of February 2, 1940. I have decided to try the "All-In France" strategy as this seems to be the flavour of the month. So far I have an armour and 5 large UK corps stationed in France and plan to add another armour and 2 mechanized.
It is now February 2, 1940. The war has progressed mostly as usual in that both Poland and Denmark were conquered as expected. The biggest surprise so far (at least for me) is that Hadros conquered Poland with minimal land casualties and without using the Luftwaffe at all. Which just goes to prove what I have said before that in this game "air power" should really be called "air really not necessary". Having said that, Hadros did find a better use for the Luftwaffe than bombing units, namely bombing my French industry. Who would have thought that the German bombers that were historically rather ineffective at bombing industry could in fact reduce the French industry at Lille to a shambles in just 4 weeks. My British and French fighters put up a brave resistance in the closing days of September 39, but they were no match for the Germans. Hadros then switched targets to other French industrial cities. It wasn't until I discovered that British AA can be placed in France and finally positioned my fighters properly, that I was able to save what was left of French industry.
At this point Hadros switched to bombing my Maginot line units. Again, I would have thought that dug in units in fortified hexes would be able to give as good as they got. But again I was wrong. Over the course of a miserable Fall and Winter the Luftwaffe has knocked off 16 French strength points while suffering only 1 air loss.
Below is the Map of France as of February 2, 1940. I have decided to try the "All-In France" strategy as this seems to be the flavour of the month. So far I have an armour and 5 large UK corps stationed in France and plan to add another armour and 2 mechanized.
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Current Production. The problem with the All-In strategy is that it requires the Canadians to build infantry corps rather than escorts. This may prove to be very costly in the long term if German losses in France are not high. Note that I am building 10 US shipyards. I am not convinced this is necessary, but time will tell. I am building much fewer supply trucks then was my previous custom.
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Casualties. Note the very few German land losses (all in Poland) and the greater French losses, all from bombing. The air war is not going my way. The only good news is that I haven't lost any UK escorts yet.
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Tech Advancements. I am worried about the slow progress of my UK Heavy armour. If this tech has not advanced to 40 level by early June at the latest it could jeopardize my entire All-In strategy. In hindsight I wish I had invested in US Strategic bombing rather than Interceptors.
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FEB 16, 1940
Little to report. 3 more MS sunk and 3 more French strength points destroyed. But at least this time the Luftwaffe lost a strength point as well. So the tally so far is 19 dead French and 2 dead Luftwaffe.
Little to report. 3 more MS sunk and 3 more French strength points destroyed. But at least this time the Luftwaffe lost a strength point as well. So the tally so far is 19 dead French and 2 dead Luftwaffe.
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Interesting...I rarely attack the Maginot line with my air as I usually lose way more than I gain but maybe I need to retest that again as the units guarding shrink in size.
I do pummel the industry though and now have seen a few defenses. Best defense is to strip the AA from London and Paris and put it in Lille.
Then when the Germans attack Belgium pull the AA out and you can put them all in England.
Air-war wise...I consider that pretty good. Anything near even is bad for the Axis.
They lose a lot in the experience department which is always a plus for the Allies. At least as that Axis I have found that to be true.
UK is doing terrible research wise...
US shipyards...now that is something I have never seen.
My BOA is abysmal. No matter what I do I always lose more than I gain on either side. Hopefully you have better luck.
I do pummel the industry though and now have seen a few defenses. Best defense is to strip the AA from London and Paris and put it in Lille.
Then when the Germans attack Belgium pull the AA out and you can put them all in England.
Air-war wise...I consider that pretty good. Anything near even is bad for the Axis.
They lose a lot in the experience department which is always a plus for the Allies. At least as that Axis I have found that to be true.
UK is doing terrible research wise...
US shipyards...now that is something I have never seen.
My BOA is abysmal. No matter what I do I always lose more than I gain on either side. Hopefully you have better luck.
RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now
ORIGINAL: Harrybanana
Below is the Map of France as of February 2, 1940. I have decided to try the "All-In France" strategy as this seems to be the flavour of the month. So far I have an armour and 5 large UK corps stationed in France and plan to add another armour and 2 mechanized.
Is it the official patch or the new beta 11u1?
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Interesting...I rarely attack the Maginot line with my air as I usually lose way more than I gain but maybe I need to retest that again as the units guarding shrink in size.
My personal belief is that Hadros is just getting extremely lucky. His ratio is 10 infantry points destroyed for every air point. In our mirror game my ratio was 1:1.
UK is doing terrible research wise...
Unfortunately true.
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Is it the official patch or the new beta 11u1?
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The most recent official version; I never play with Betas.
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MAR 1, 1940,
Hadros also got a cold weather turn. He used it to continue bombing my Maginot Line units. But this time he only destroyed 3 French strength points while losing 3 air points. Surprising that he did worse in the clear weather than he did in the rain and snow. Even more surprising is that he bombed each hex twice when only the first bombing attack has any chance of destroying a strength point. Did he do it for the experience, or is he planning on attacking through the Maginot Line?
Hadros also got a cold weather turn. He used it to continue bombing my Maginot Line units. But this time he only destroyed 3 French strength points while losing 3 air points. Surprising that he did worse in the clear weather than he did in the rain and snow. Even more surprising is that he bombed each hex twice when only the first bombing attack has any chance of destroying a strength point. Did he do it for the experience, or is he planning on attacking through the Maginot Line?
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The BOA is going my way so far I think. Another 3 U-Boat hits this turn (10 total) against only 1 French escort sunk. This is the second turn in a row that Hadros has left his subs in range of my RAF Bomber. I haven't even found his subs with my 4 attempts so far; but I think Hadros is playing with fire.
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His BOA is exactly how mine works in every game I have played. I have yet to be able to do more damage than I take. I have to find the solution there.
But good for you.
Does he have more Uboats out there? It is March and I have played a few players that have 3 more by now...excessive for me but then as I said...I lose always.
But good for you.
Does he have more Uboats out there? It is March and I have played a few players that have 3 more by now...excessive for me but then as I said...I lose always.
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As far as I can tell he only has 3 U-Boats so far. The "secret" is to out guess the Allied player. The UK and French only have 15 escorts combined, so they can only cover one convoy zone with the maximum 10 escorts. So if they have 10 escorts in the North Atlantic then as the Axis you want to raid the South Atlantic zone and vice versa. Of course, luck helps too.
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MAR 15,1940
Snow. 1 more Maginot Line infantry strength point destroyed.
Snow. 1 more Maginot Line infantry strength point destroyed.
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Mar 29, 1940
Snow. Another 2 Maginot Line infantry hits, but it cost him 2 bomber points. 2 MS Sunk.
Snow. Another 2 Maginot Line infantry hits, but it cost him 2 bomber points. 2 MS Sunk.
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April 12
Snow again; which is lucky for me. 2 MS sunk, but another U-Boat hit as well. He doesn't bomb the Maginot Line.
Snow again; which is lucky for me. 2 MS sunk, but another U-Boat hit as well. He doesn't bomb the Maginot Line.
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APRIL 26, 1940
Cold, which is not lucky for me. The Germans invade and conquer Belgium with only minimal losses. The Map after my moves.
Cold, which is not lucky for me. The Germans invade and conquer Belgium with only minimal losses. The Map after my moves.
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Forces and Casualties prior to the Battle for France.
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Tech Advancements. The UK has gained Escorts 40 and Interceptors 41; but the slow progress of Heavy Armour and Assault means that this All-In Strategy may not work.
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MAY 10, 1940
4 MS sunk. The assault on France begins. He only had 1 side on Lillie at the end of my last turn, so I didn't move my 4 AA stationed there. Probably a mistake as he captured it. My AA did shoot down 2 Air points, but I should have moved them. Map after my turn. The UK Corps SW of Lille is at risk.
4 MS sunk. The assault on France begins. He only had 1 side on Lillie at the end of my last turn, so I didn't move my 4 AA stationed there. Probably a mistake as he captured it. My AA did shoot down 2 Air points, but I should have moved them. Map after my turn. The UK Corps SW of Lille is at risk.
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