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Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) Hadros Welcome - 4/8/2021 3:45:22 AM   
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Hadros challenged me to mirror games and, even though I hadn't played in over a month, I accepted. We played mirror games previously and I found Hadros to be a very good player; so I was expecting a good challenge. What I didn't expect was for him to give me an early schooling on the newest strategy and tactics since I last played. I wasn't planning on doing AARs, but the games are interesting and moving at a leisurely pace, so I figured why not.

It is now February 2, 1940. The war has progressed mostly as usual in that both Poland and Denmark were conquered as expected. The biggest surprise so far (at least for me) is that Hadros conquered Poland with minimal land casualties and without using the Luftwaffe at all. Which just goes to prove what I have said before that in this game "air power" should really be called "air really not necessary". Having said that, Hadros did find a better use for the Luftwaffe than bombing units, namely bombing my French industry. Who would have thought that the German bombers that were historically rather ineffective at bombing industry could in fact reduce the French industry at Lille to a shambles in just 4 weeks. My British and French fighters put up a brave resistance in the closing days of September 39, but they were no match for the Germans. Hadros then switched targets to other French industrial cities. It wasn't until I discovered that British AA can be placed in France and finally positioned my fighters properly, that I was able to save what was left of French industry.

At this point Hadros switched to bombing my Maginot line units. Again, I would have thought that dug in units in fortified hexes would be able to give as good as they got. But again I was wrong. Over the course of a miserable Fall and Winter the Luftwaffe has knocked off 16 French strength points while suffering only 1 air loss.

Below is the Map of France as of February 2, 1940. I have decided to try the "All-In France" strategy as this seems to be the flavour of the month. So far I have an armour and 5 large UK corps stationed in France and plan to add another armour and 2 mechanized.






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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/8/2021 5:07:22 AM   
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Current Production. The problem with the All-In strategy is that it requires the Canadians to build infantry corps rather than escorts. This may prove to be very costly in the long term if German losses in France are not high. Note that I am building 10 US shipyards. I am not convinced this is necessary, but time will tell. I am building much fewer supply trucks then was my previous custom.




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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/8/2021 5:10:01 AM   
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Casualties. Note the very few German land losses (all in Poland) and the greater French losses, all from bombing. The air war is not going my way. The only good news is that I haven't lost any UK escorts yet.




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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/8/2021 5:13:28 AM   
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Tech Advancements. I am worried about the slow progress of my UK Heavy armour. If this tech has not advanced to 40 level by early June at the latest it could jeopardize my entire All-In strategy. In hindsight I wish I had invested in US Strategic bombing rather than Interceptors.




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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/8/2021 3:05:09 PM   
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FEB 16, 1940

Little to report. 3 more MS sunk and 3 more French strength points destroyed. But at least this time the Luftwaffe lost a strength point as well. So the tally so far is 19 dead French and 2 dead Luftwaffe.

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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/8/2021 4:49:30 PM   
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Interesting...I rarely attack the Maginot line with my air as I usually lose way more than I gain but maybe I need to retest that again as the units guarding shrink in size.
I do pummel the industry though and now have seen a few defenses. Best defense is to strip the AA from London and Paris and put it in Lille.
Then when the Germans attack Belgium pull the AA out and you can put them all in England.

Air-war wise...I consider that pretty good. Anything near even is bad for the Axis.
They lose a lot in the experience department which is always a plus for the Allies. At least as that Axis I have found that to be true.

UK is doing terrible research wise...

US shipyards...now that is something I have never seen.
My BOA is abysmal. No matter what I do I always lose more than I gain on either side. Hopefully you have better luck.


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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/8/2021 7:02:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Harrybanana

Below is the Map of France as of February 2, 1940. I have decided to try the "All-In France" strategy as this seems to be the flavour of the month. So far I have an armour and 5 large UK corps stationed in France and plan to add another armour and 2 mechanized.


Is it the official patch or the new beta 11u1?

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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/8/2021 11:25:26 PM   
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quote:

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Interesting...I rarely attack the Maginot line with my air as I usually lose way more than I gain but maybe I need to retest that again as the units guarding shrink in size.


My personal belief is that Hadros is just getting extremely lucky. His ratio is 10 infantry points destroyed for every air point. In our mirror game my ratio was 1:1.

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UK is doing terrible research wise...


Unfortunately true.




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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/8/2021 11:26:27 PM   
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Is it the official patch or the new beta 11u1?

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The most recent official version; I never play with Betas.

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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/9/2021 2:54:53 AM   
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MAR 1, 1940,

Hadros also got a cold weather turn. He used it to continue bombing my Maginot Line units. But this time he only destroyed 3 French strength points while losing 3 air points. Surprising that he did worse in the clear weather than he did in the rain and snow. Even more surprising is that he bombed each hex twice when only the first bombing attack has any chance of destroying a strength point. Did he do it for the experience, or is he planning on attacking through the Maginot Line?




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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/9/2021 2:59:20 AM   
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The BOA is going my way so far I think. Another 3 U-Boat hits this turn (10 total) against only 1 French escort sunk. This is the second turn in a row that Hadros has left his subs in range of my RAF Bomber. I haven't even found his subs with my 4 attempts so far; but I think Hadros is playing with fire.




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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/9/2021 11:23:18 AM   
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His BOA is exactly how mine works in every game I have played. I have yet to be able to do more damage than I take. I have to find the solution there.

But good for you.

Does he have more Uboats out there? It is March and I have played a few players that have 3 more by now...excessive for me but then as I said...I lose always.

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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/9/2021 2:51:16 PM   
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As far as I can tell he only has 3 U-Boats so far. The "secret" is to out guess the Allied player. The UK and French only have 15 escorts combined, so they can only cover one convoy zone with the maximum 10 escorts. So if they have 10 escorts in the North Atlantic then as the Axis you want to raid the South Atlantic zone and vice versa. Of course, luck helps too.

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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/10/2021 12:40:34 AM   
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MAR 15,1940

Snow. 1 more Maginot Line infantry strength point destroyed.

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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/10/2021 8:10:21 PM   
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Snow. Another 2 Maginot Line infantry hits, but it cost him 2 bomber points. 2 MS Sunk.

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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/10/2021 8:12:06 PM   
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Snow again; which is lucky for me. 2 MS sunk, but another U-Boat hit as well. He doesn't bomb the Maginot Line.

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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/10/2021 8:13:47 PM   
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APRIL 26, 1940

Cold, which is not lucky for me. The Germans invade and conquer Belgium with only minimal losses. The Map after my moves.




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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/10/2021 8:15:27 PM   
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Forces and Casualties prior to the Battle for France.




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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/10/2021 8:19:36 PM   
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Tech Advancements. The UK has gained Escorts 40 and Interceptors 41; but the slow progress of Heavy Armour and Assault means that this All-In Strategy may not work.




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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/11/2021 3:19:05 AM   
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MAY 10, 1940

4 MS sunk. The assault on France begins. He only had 1 side on Lillie at the end of my last turn, so I didn't move my 4 AA stationed there. Probably a mistake as he captured it. My AA did shoot down 2 Air points, but I should have moved them. Map after my turn. The UK Corps SW of Lille is at risk.




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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/11/2021 7:06:08 PM   
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MAY 24, 1940,

Hadros made a cautious advance, which I think is smart. I was tempted to counterattack his exposed infantry, but decided to wait for juicier targets. Below is the map after my moves.

My UK Heavy Armour and Assault both advanced to 40 tech just in time.




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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/13/2021 5:53:34 AM   
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JUNE 7, 1940

2 MS sunk and 2 French Corps shattered.

But examining the map at the beginning of my turn I spot a flaw in Hadros lines. If I can retreat the Infantry Corps twice as shown than the armour will have no place to retreat.






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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/13/2021 5:57:09 AM   
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But that infantry Corps was one tough mother. It took several attacks to retreat him once and then instead of retreating again it shatters. So I have to improvise Plan 2 which is to move my armour as shown. Obviously risky if I fail to dislodge the panzer.




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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/13/2021 5:59:10 AM   
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But the attack succeeds. So instead of just destroying the panzer I also bag the stubborn infantry. But the cost is high.




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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/13/2021 6:00:55 AM   
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Final positions.




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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/13/2021 6:06:56 AM   
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JUNE 21, 1940

4 MS sunk as once again Hadros moves his U-Boats into the sea zone with no escorts.

On his turn Hadros destroys a UK Mech and Infantry Corps along with the French Armour. But again he leaves me an opening. If I can retreat the paratrooper as shown it will leave his Armour and Mech with no place to retreat. I only have 1 decent armour myself, but several nearby infantry to wear him down.




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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/13/2021 6:09:57 AM   
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The paratrooper is easily retreated. I then make several infantry only attacks on his armour to wear it down. I then move in for the kill with the big boys.




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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/13/2021 6:11:19 AM   
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I repeat with the Mechanized. I was tempted to also try for the armour circled in blue. I could ahve got 1 attack on it at 3:1 or so odds. But I chickened out.




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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/13/2021 6:14:58 AM   
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Final positions. Hadros has now lost 2 Armour, 1 Mechanized and an Infantry. I think I like this All-In Strategy. Though I understand that with the latest Beta the UK is being weakened.




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RE: Hadros (Axis) vs HB (Allies) No Hadros for now - 4/14/2021 3:10:06 AM   
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JULY 5, 1940

4 MS are sunk, but I score 2 U-Boat hits. In France Hadros advances to the gates of Paris. I was tempted to try for 1 more armour. If I forced the circled mechanized to retreat to hex 1 rather than hex 2 it would leave the circled armour with no where to retreat. But I again chickened out and my Brits ran away.




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