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144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/6/2021 8:47:48 PM   
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I have tried everything to upgrade these guys to Zeros even moving them to Takao with a level 8 AF and 80,000 supplies but still will not upgrade to anything but Claudes. PDU is off.

What am I missing? All other Claudes seem to upgrade fine...

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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/6/2021 9:09:47 PM   
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Do they have a fragment at a different location ? A screenshot would help

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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/6/2021 10:43:42 PM   
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I think the "Det" designation means "detatchment". The squadron is split up, with this group being the fragment. You will need to gather the squadron back together in order to upgrade them.

In your squadron info screen, down in the lower left, there is a button that will show you where the squadron pieces are located. Can't recall what the button is called.

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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/6/2021 10:46:07 PM   
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Also, if PDU is off, you cannot control the upgrade path. What is the next upgrade for this group supposed to be?

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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/7/2021 12:56:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Evoken

Do they have a fragment at a different location ? A screenshot would help


Yes this is the detachment of the Zero group near Saigon at game start. I figured I had to upgrade the Claudes to Zeros first to merge them back together?

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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/7/2021 2:35:18 AM   
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Do they have a fragment at a different location ? A screenshot would help


Not relevant.

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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/7/2021 2:36:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: dcpollay

I think the "Det" designation means "detatchment". The squadron is split up, with this group being the fragment. You will need to gather the squadron back together in order to upgrade them.

In your squadron info screen, down in the lower left, there is a button that will show you where the squadron pieces are located. Can't recall what the button is called.


Not relevant.

This is a scenario designer decision and the unit is its own unique entity.

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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/7/2021 2:37:54 AM   
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Also, if PDU is off, you cannot control the upgrade path...


Correct.

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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/7/2021 2:48:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tanaka

I have tried everything to upgrade these guys to Zeros even moving them to Takao with a level 8 AF and 80,000 supplies but still will not upgrade to anything but Claudes. PDU is off.

What am I missing? All other Claudes seem to upgrade fine...


Another one of your never ending stupid questions. Questions to which the answer is already provided on the game screen.

Where does it say that this unit has an upgrade path to a different aircraft model. Answer no screen does. So on what basis do you believe you have a right to upgrade the unit to Zeros. The fact that the screen says no upgrade is available is a dead give away.

I can't think of a single question of yours to which the answer is not already:

(a) provided in the manual, or
(b) provided on the screen you have before you, or
(c) is answered by a forumite in a thread of yours but you refuse to accept that answer and restate the question in the same thread

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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/7/2021 3:02:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Alfred


quote:

ORIGINAL: Tanaka

I have tried everything to upgrade these guys to Zeros even moving them to Takao with a level 8 AF and 80,000 supplies but still will not upgrade to anything but Claudes. PDU is off.

What am I missing? All other Claudes seem to upgrade fine...


Another one of your never ending stupid questions. Questions to which the answer is already provided on the game screen.

Where does it say that this unit has an upgrade path to a different aircraft model. Answer no screen does. So on what basis do you believe you have a right to upgrade the unit to Zeros. The fact that the screen says no upgrade is available is a dead give away.

I can't think of a single question of yours to which the answer is not already:

(a) provided in the manual, or
(b) provided on the screen you have before you, or
(c) is answered by a forumite in a thread of yours but you refuse to accept that answer and restate the question in the same thread

Alfred


Thanks for your help! I may be stupid but at least I'm not a jerk!

I see upgrade to A6M2 Zero and A6M8 Zero. This is my first time playing with PDU off so I am obviously missing something.

I played Uncommon Valor and WITP more than 10 years ago and am finally trying my hands at this great updated version WITPAE. WITPAE is a whole completely new beast that I am trying to learn. I've been reading the manual and forums voraciously. Do me a favor and never respond to my posts again! Thanks!






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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/7/2021 8:38:13 AM   
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Tanaka you are not stupid , this game is quite complicated and some things can be not apperant at first glance. Ignore Alfred he is a powertripping narcist that enjoys belittling newcomers.

In the same screen as your screenshot select A6M2 Zero and press done , you should be able to do the upgrade

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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/7/2021 8:40:35 AM   
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quote:

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Tanaka you are not stupid , this game is quite complicated and some things can be not apperant at first glance. Ignore Alfred he is a powertripping narcist that enjoys belittling newcomers.

In the same screen as your screenshot select A6M2 Zero and press done , you should be able to do the upgrade


Thanks Evoken. I had already done that and it does nothing. Thus my question.

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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/7/2021 8:43:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Alfred


quote:

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Do they have a fragment at a different location ? A screenshot would help


Not relevant.

Alfred

Funny you say something so incorrect with full confidence while calling people stupid. If a squadron has a fragment somewheere else ; supply , airfield levels etc are all at required level, that can prevent a squadron from upgrading.

here is a screenshot for your smooth brain;
squadron is based at Calcutta , calcutta has a level 9 airfield , 250k supply , PDU is on , i got plenty of fighters in pool yet i cant upgrade. Do you know why ? Because squadron had some damaged planes at another airfield now they are transfering to calcutta with rail. I cant upgrade untill they arrive. Once they arrive i will be able to upgrade to whatever i want


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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/7/2021 8:46:07 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tanaka

quote:

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Tanaka you are not stupid , this game is quite complicated and some things can be not apperant at first glance. Ignore Alfred he is a powertripping narcist that enjoys belittling newcomers.

In the same screen as your screenshot select A6M2 Zero and press done , you should be able to do the upgrade


Thanks Evoken. I had already done that and it does nothing. Thus my question.

Hower over the upgrade not possible text with your mouse tell me what it says


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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/7/2021 8:58:03 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Evoken


quote:

ORIGINAL: Tanaka

quote:

ORIGINAL: Evoken

Tanaka you are not stupid , this game is quite complicated and some things can be not apperant at first glance. Ignore Alfred he is a powertripping narcist that enjoys belittling newcomers.

In the same screen as your screenshot select A6M2 Zero and press done , you should be able to do the upgrade


Thanks Evoken. I had already done that and it does nothing. Thus my question.

Hower over the upgrade not possible text with your mouse tell me what it says




Aha! I did not know hovering would tell you! Thanks!!

Definitely not the pool numbers have plenty...






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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/7/2021 9:01:12 AM   
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Tanaka in the screenshot upgrade plane is selected as A5M4 Claude , you gotta click on > upgrade A5M4 text , which will bring you to plane list , in that list select A6M2 Zero and hit done and then you should be able to upgrade

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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/7/2021 9:03:26 AM   
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Tanaka in the screenshot upgrade plane is selected as A5M4 Claude , you gotta click on > upgrade A5M4 text , which will bring you to plane list , in that list select A6M2 Zero and hit done and then you should be able to upgrade


Yes did when I do that and click on A6M2 Zero and click done it stays as Claude...

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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/7/2021 9:05:51 AM   
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Can you send me your save file please , let me have a look

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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/7/2021 9:06:46 AM   
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Can you send me your save file please , let me have a look


Ok does it have anything to do with the fact that it says it is "not scheduled to be upgraded"?

How do I send the file to you?

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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/7/2021 9:13:18 AM   
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Save the game , find the file in save folder of witp , upload it to google drive or something and send me the link

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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/7/2021 9:20:48 AM   
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Save the game , find the file in save folder of witp , upload it to google drive or something and send me the link


Ah google drive ok: The group is in Tokyo. Moved it there to see if it would help.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HLJnEGQyvszTXdVfMqn8dLkOYEwvgjoI/view?usp=sharing

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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/7/2021 9:23:41 AM   
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Which scenario and which sceanrio creation date?

Or is it a mod?

In stock Scen 1, that unit has no list of Zeros to upgrade to.






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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/7/2021 9:36:00 AM   
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Which scenario and which sceanrio creation date?

Or is it a mod?

In stock Scen 1, that unit has no list of Zeros to upgrade to.







It is AndyMacs Updated Scenario 1.

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4692890

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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/7/2021 9:46:20 AM   
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OK i have looked at save and looked at my own Andy Macs upgraded scenario 1 too. With PDU off game is not recognizing the upgrade path attached to squadron , in stock scenario 1 with pdu off squadron doesnt have any upgrade path so there seems to be a some sort of bug.

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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/7/2021 9:48:10 AM   
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OK i have looked at save and looked at my own Andy Macs upgraded scenario 1 too. With PDU off game is not recognizing the upgrade path attached to squadron , in stock scenario 1 with pdu off squadron doesnt have any upgrade path so there seems to be a some sort of bug.


Good I am not crazy or stupid thanks. Shall we let Andy know?

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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/7/2021 9:53:17 AM   
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Obviously an error in the Scenario DB. The Air Group does not have an upgrade path.

current aircraft: A5M4
next Upgrade: A5M4 (means: no upgrade path)
future Upgrades: A6M2, A6M8 (not relevant anymore)

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(b) provided on the screen you have before you


Look up the Air Group in the editor and check upgrade path.

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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/7/2021 10:57:18 AM   
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This is from Andy Mac's updates scenario.

Looks like our friend Tanaka has some kind of data corruption.






EDIT: Wait a second - looks like I don't have the latest version installed, mine is v1 but I see there is a v6 - must be recent since it has been downloaded only 12 times at the very moment. In v6, there are upgrades to A6M2 and A6M8.

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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/7/2021 11:26:38 AM   
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AndyMac JFB confirmed.

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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/7/2021 1:17:45 PM   
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Yes, but the upgrade path is not maintained correctly.

00- A5M4 means no upgrade path
01- A6M2 irrelevant
02- A6M8 irrelevant

It should look like this:
00- A6M2
01- A6M8
02- A6M8 (no more upgrades after A6M8)

DB error.

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RE: 144 Yamada Det S2 Claudes near Saigon - 4/7/2021 3:43:00 PM   
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Permanent disband in April 1942 - no need for an upgrade to A6M8.

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