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Is it just me or..... - 3/30/2021 6:09:01 PM   
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....does good old Erich's face express the war against Soviet Russia? "Why am I here?" "**** it's cold" "does this land ever end?" "sheesh this tank looks good....why does it break down so often?"




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RE: Is it just me or..... - 3/30/2021 6:14:26 PM   
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With that face no wonder he is only Morale 4....

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RE: Is it just me or..... - 3/30/2021 6:15:51 PM   
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Also 'political 2' after a chat with Uncle Adolf

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RE: Is it just me or..... - 3/30/2021 6:53:25 PM   
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Also 'political 2' after a chat with Uncle Adolf


That was about my political rating when I worked which explained my remarkable lack of career progression though old misery guys isn't doing too bad for himself commanding a Panzer Group. 😂


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RE: Is it just me or..... - 3/30/2021 6:58:09 PM   
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....does good old Erich's face express the war against Soviet Russia? "Why am I here?" "**** it's cold" "does this land ever end?" "sheesh this tank looks good....why does it break down so often?"





Haha! My ancestor! Very cool! Never see him mentioned!

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RE: Is it just me or..... - 3/30/2021 7:56:56 PM   
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Also 'political 2' after a chat with Uncle Adolf


That was about my political rating when I worked which explained my remarkable lack of career progression though old misery guys isn't doing too bad for himself commanding a Panzer Group. 😂


.....on the plus side you didn't end up in a Gulag

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RE: Is it just me or..... - 3/30/2021 9:09:09 PM   
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Someone is trying to tell him to use HQ buildup and put all his army supplied from 1 railhead, but he ain't buying it.



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RE: Is it just me or..... - 3/30/2021 9:14:20 PM   
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RE: Is it just me or..... - 3/30/2021 9:15:10 PM   
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A "friend" is also shocked at the thought.....




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RE: Is it just me or..... - 3/30/2021 9:20:55 PM   
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At least he was a brave men. He tried to kill Hitler.
Look at the trial here:

https://youtu.be/T08EHwQw1hs?t=372

The Nazis removed his belt, you can see it in the first 2 seconds, to ridicule him

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RE: Is it just me or..... - 3/30/2021 9:29:31 PM   
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Hitler fired him on 20 January 42 for withdrawing without permission. Hitler had him to dismissed from the Army and denied him his pension and right to wear the Army uniform. Hoepner took Hitler to court and won his case before the Nazi's changed the law to dismiss Judges. Hoepner took part in the 20 July plot, and was given a Kangaroo trial and hung. I think Hoepner was one of the true professional soldiers who was going to do the right thing and he paid for it with his life. Not sure why he was given a Morale rating of 4.

In my alternate universe, he will never be fired and even promoted!

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RE: Is it just me or..... - 3/30/2021 10:36:11 PM   
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After the war Hoepner smuggled diamonds in order to build a satellite with a diamond powered "laser".




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RE: Is it just me or..... - 3/30/2021 10:38:15 PM   
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RE: Is it just me or..... - 3/30/2021 10:39:36 PM   
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I always knew the Argentina theory was bogus.....

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RE: Is it just me or..... - 3/31/2021 7:06:04 PM   
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Hitler fired him on 20 January 42 for withdrawing without permission. Hitler had him to dismissed from the Army and denied him his pension and right to wear the Army uniform. Hoepner took Hitler to court and won his case before the Nazi's changed the law to dismiss Judges. Hoepner took part in the 20 July plot, and was given a Kangaroo trial and hung. I think Hoepner was one of the true professional soldiers who was going to do the right thing and he paid for it with his life. Not sure why he was given a Morale rating of 4.


In my alternate universe, he will never be fired and even promoted!


Hitler was a big fan of Hoepner until Hoepner issues withdrawal's. That's the reason for Hitler reassigning him to such a trouble front. Hopner thought the retreated order was coming soon and jumped the gun. (Hitler draged his feet for so long before issuing orders in 1941-42 winter withdrawals)

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RE: Is it just me or..... - 3/31/2021 7:12:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AtAtack

At least he was a brave men. He tried to kill Hitler.
Look at the trial here:

https://youtu.be/T08EHwQw1hs?t=372

The Nazis removed his belt, you can see it in the first 2 seconds, to ridicule him


Thanks for posting this!

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RE: Is it just me or..... - 3/31/2021 7:12:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Zemke

Hitler fired him on 20 January 42 for withdrawing without permission. Hitler had him to dismissed from the Army and denied him his pension and right to wear the Army uniform. Hoepner took Hitler to court and won his case before the Nazi's changed the law to dismiss Judges. Hoepner took part in the 20 July plot, and was given a Kangaroo trial and hung. I think Hoepner was one of the true professional soldiers who was going to do the right thing and he paid for it with his life. Not sure why he was given a Morale rating of 4.

In my alternate universe, he will never be fired and even promoted!


Yes very few people know about this!

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RE: Is it just me or..... - 3/31/2021 7:39:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tanaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zemke

Hitler fired him on 20 January 42 for withdrawing without permission. Hitler had him to dismissed from the Army and denied him his pension and right to wear the Army uniform. Hoepner took Hitler to court and won his case before the Nazi's changed the law to dismiss Judges. Hoepner took part in the 20 July plot, and was given a Kangaroo trial and hung. I think Hoepner was one of the true professional soldiers who was going to do the right thing and he paid for it with his life. Not sure why he was given a Morale rating of 4.

In my alternate universe, he will never be fired and even promoted!


Yes very few people know about this!


Do note that Hoepner was not a saint...

"The war against Russia is an important chapter in the struggle for existence of the German nation. It is the old battle of Germanic against Slav peoples, of the defence of European culture against Muscovite-Asiatic inundation, and the repulse of Jewish-Bolshevism. The objective of this battle must be the destruction of present-day Russia and it must therefore be conducted with unprecedented severity. Every military action must be guided in planning and execution by an iron will to exterminate the enemy mercilessly and totally. In particular, no adherents of the present Russian-Bolshevik system are to be spared"


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RE: Is it just me or..... - 3/31/2021 7:51:59 PM   
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I don't think he was in the minority in his thinking either among the senior leadership or Officer Corps, and certainly not the mid to lower Officer corps, which most were not Richwhere Officers, and had "come of age" or were young adults at the time the Nazi's took control. Also, Hoepner is going to say whatever will motivate his troops to fight all that much harder to win, which is another little window in the minds of the people of Germany overall. Nor would I say that particular language would have been considered out of the ordinary, not only in Germany, but I would argue in the US and the rest of Europe.

But now we are going down a very controversial rabbit hole.

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RE: Is it just me or..... - 3/31/2021 7:59:41 PM   
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Hi Zemke with all due respect - look him up.... 4th PG was great friends with the SS working in his rear area. Ofcourse it is not my intention to go political but the prof. soldier comment triggered me - I much prefer to discuss this great game and his 4 morale rating :) so let this be my last post on the subject



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RE: Is it just me or..... - 3/31/2021 8:03:15 PM   
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I do wonder why the 4 morale.. think he was just a victim of circumstance, not demoralised...

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RE: Is it just me or..... - 3/31/2021 9:01:23 PM   
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Hi Zemke with all due respect - look him up.... 4th PG was great friends with the SS working in his rear area. Ofcourse it is not my intention to go political but the prof. soldier comment triggered me - I much prefer to discuss this great game and his 4 morale rating :) so let this be my last post on the subject




I think you may be missing my point, which is what he said and did was not UNCOMMON at that time in the German Army, but rather the norm.

Also:

Not sure how Professional Soldier is a trigger when it is just a statement of fact. "He was commissioned into the Imperial German Army as a cavalry lieutenant in 1906, joining the 13th Schleswig-Holstein Dragoons Regiment (de)." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Hoepner

Professional soldiers are not necessarily the good guys. The Roman Army army was very professional, disciplined, and well trained (depending on the era) and one of the most brutal in history.

It's not like the Soviet Army had much of a moral high ground to stand on either considering what Stalin had done to date.

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RE: Is it just me or..... - 3/31/2021 9:30:14 PM   
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Please don't get the topic I started locked

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RE: Is it just me or..... - 3/31/2021 11:48:50 PM   
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I am afraid to say anything.

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RE: Is it just me or..... - 4/1/2021 1:49:27 AM   
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I think ole Erich found out he's playing WiTE2 instead of 1

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