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So, when is the new patch coming out? - 3/24/2021 9:36:53 PM   
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I managed to log in, so figured it was time to give Curtis Lemay a very firm, but polite, kick in the posterior.

So, when is the new patch coming out, or has their been no time to be involved with any precious coding time due to your overwhelming verbosity in numerous threads over the past year plus? Lots of very hot air, but it appears so little results. I am still whistling past the graveyard, but, hey, what do you expect? I am a Marine. We expect more than cigar smoke.

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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 4/1/2021 11:42:43 AM   
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I was told a year ago that the bugged Select New Game menu would be fixed Real Soon Now.

I wonder how many new players have given up on the game in the meantime because they have never found the tutorial document.

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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 4/3/2021 10:56:44 AM   
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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 4/4/2021 3:44:08 AM   
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how about adding the option to have more than just two sides!

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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 4/8/2021 2:00:06 AM   
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I think the executive of Toaw are being treated for depression after seeing WitE2. Lol (Tongue in cheek guys)

Seriously though; we still have Fire in the East. In the next patch double the map size. Double the place names. As so on. Then we can have the whole of Europe at 5km or even 2.5km. That is something the opposition will probably never reach. Pacific Theatre and WW1 too.

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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 4/8/2021 4:53:26 AM   
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The loveable symbol for TOAW III was the tumbleweed. Here is the one for TOAW IV:




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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 4/8/2021 2:14:58 PM   
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Haha, you mean the game is like being abandoned?

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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 4/8/2021 9:17:09 PM   
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No, that's an antique just waiting for someone to haul it home and give it some love.

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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 4/9/2021 12:37:53 AM   
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Yeah, Jack's interpretation is closer. It's more like it ran off the road and got wrecked by unfriendly forces. It's a sticky off-road problem. Matrix is having trouble finding the proper rescue crew.

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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 4/9/2021 1:05:38 AM   
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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 4/13/2021 3:18:19 PM   
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It may be an old hooptie but I like it. Would be nice to see the Commander patch, but <shrug> I am content the way it is. Who wouldn't be after 20 plus years of enjoyment? I'm not interested in having every little detail of minutiae correct and proper historically. I just like to play. YMMV.

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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 4/13/2021 4:41:09 PM   
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I'm not interested in having every little detail of minutiae correct and proper historically.


Don't worry. It will be far from that.

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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 4/13/2021 4:42:35 PM   
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quote:

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It may be an old hooptie but I like it. Would be nice to see the Commander patch, but <shrug> I am content the way it is. Who wouldn't be after 20 plus years of enjoyment? I'm not interested in having every little detail of minutiae correct and proper historically. I just like to play. YMMV.


For my part I'm more concerned with performance; I hop between TOAW III and TOAW IV for a couple of reasons and the slow response times in IV are really noticeable, and if you're doing something like setting arrival conditions for sixteen units in the same formation it becomes quite painful to do it through the interface. The game is also a lot more buggy than it was in the past; I had a crash bug in the editor whenever the game autoselected a particular piece as the next unit to deploy which I had to workaround by putting in a dummy undeployed unit which was then deleted. This cost me an hour's work.

New features are nice- on a stable platform.

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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 4/13/2021 6:02:34 PM   
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The unfortunate fact is, the more you make an old horse pull the slower it gets. If all of the planned bangles are loaded on the cart the horse may well refuse to move at all.

What do you suppose will happen when the game has to determine supply for three different types of supply for a few hundred units across a large map?

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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 4/14/2021 8:51:31 AM   
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The unfortunate fact is, the more you make an old horse pull the slower it gets. If all of the planned bangles are loaded on the cart the horse may well refuse to move at all.


This is sort of nonsense. The software I deploy for a living is almost as old as TOAW and is many, many times more complex than it was back then, and handles far more data. At no time has anyone rebuilt the code base from the ground up, but it still works smoothly.

Deploying new features should not have a material effect on performance. It really doesn't make a whole lot of difference if the map reference you're entering has 90,000 different possibilities (a 300x300 map) or 490,000 (700x700). The problem is that since the move to TOAW IV, changes to the code base have been apparently been applied in an ad-hoc manner and without rigour, in order to deploy new features faster on a very limited resource.

This is understandable as Matrix is a business and they want a return on their investment, and people will only buy a new product if it has some significant enhancements over its predecessor. But it leads to a frustrating end user experience.

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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 4/14/2021 10:49:14 AM   
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After you just stated how TOAWIII has faster response times than TOAWIV. Maybe faster machines will mitigate that a bit but even that can only do so much.

I really don't know to what extent the thing can be optimized. I really do hope it all works out great and it purrs like a kitten.

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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 4/14/2021 11:19:48 AM   
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After you just stated how TOAWIII has faster response times than TOAWIV. Maybe faster machines will mitigate that a bit but even that can only do so much.


I think if anything this is due not to being the "old horse", but rather a new one, as these changes go hand in hand with the change in interface (first thing I do when I open a save is make the two clicks necessary to revert to the old, non-ugly interface).

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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 4/14/2021 12:30:33 PM   
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... The problem is that since the move to TOAW IV, changes to the code base have been apparently been applied in an ad-hoc manner and without rigour, in order to deploy new features faster on a very limited resource.
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That would be the case if, by now, performance had been somewhat optimized. Since it was not, I think the issue is of a far more fundamental nature.

In any case, it's all irrelevant. It's not going to change positively in any significant form. (feel free to quote me when I'm proven wrong)

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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 4/14/2021 2:37:18 PM   
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I remember the days of opening FitE with TOAWIII and leaving the computer for 15 minutes or more while it loaded. Now it takes no time at all. Much better machine.

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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 4/14/2021 3:57:35 PM   
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I remember the days of opening FitE with TOAWIII and leaving the computer for 15 minutes or more while it loaded. Now it takes no time at all. Much better machine.


You changed PCs?

When I first played TOAW, if it was a big scenario, turns could take way more than 15 minutes to load- and sometimes they'd time out altogether. That was on the hardware from over twenty years ago, though.

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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 4/14/2021 3:59:26 PM   
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It's not going to change positively in any significant form. (feel free to quote me when I'm proven wrong)



Well, there are some features in TOAW IV which make it worth adopting over TOAW III. I use III for a couple of purposes:
1) PBEM with people who don't have a copy of IV
2) Playing scenarios which I think would break badly in IV
3) Historically, to load saves in the editor- though I think you can in fact do this in IV.

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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 4/14/2021 4:25:23 PM   
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For editing I use 4.1.0.3. It's one only testers have and it's the last one where everything works as it should. Since then they broke the editor and refuse to fix it.

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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 4/15/2021 3:00:55 AM   
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I have been thinking of getting a solid state drive. Does anyone know if it makes the bigger scenarios play faster?

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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 4/15/2021 8:10:18 AM   
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I have been thinking of getting a solid state drive. Does anyone know if it makes the bigger scenarios play faster?


A solid state drive will make reading and writing data to storage faster. If you use it for your OS it will make your PC boot faster and will probably make TOAW load up faster in the first place (again provided it's stored on the SSD). However once the game is running you're dependent on your RAM and your processor.

From my own experience, an extra stick of RAM makes quite a bit of difference to performance of an existing machine, and is simple to install even for the enthusiastic amateur. If you're buying something new, then you're going to need to customise your spec a bit because the base models from most vendors just go up on one scale so you either get something underpowered or wind up paying a lot for a video card you don't need (unless you want to play recently made action games, which I don't).

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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 5/6/2021 2:34:20 AM   
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For you guys that are wondering when TOAW IV's patch is coming out let me just say, appropriate of nothing at all, that the new WITE2 is out. I'm just saying.....

Speaking of pulling the pin out of the grenade....did I ever tell you guys about the time some of the FAC pilots I knew made their own bombs. They somehow appropriated some hand grenades from the Army [ AOL's usually two or more platoons for security ] and some Mason jars from the mess hall and what they would do is pull the pin on the grenade and slip it into the Mason jar so that the spoon won't arm the grenade, put the lid on the jar and store the jar in a cardboard box that was usually sitting where the co-pilot would have sat, strapped in by the seat belt. All he had to do is open his window grab one of the jars and launch it at the appropriate time. The jar would break on impact and shortly thereafter the grenade would detonate. Some of us helped out making those bombs so they would have spares. It's enough to keep you busy for about half of your 12-hour shift.

When the FAC pilots returned from their sortie they would have written on the windows in grease pencil: ground coordinates for enemy sightings and/or friendly forces, call signs of the main people involved, weapons loadouts for arriving ground support aircraft, frequencies for the various participants, any notes from sightings on the ground, etc. That information was considered TOP SECRET as it applied to ongoing operations involving friendly forces so we had to insure that there were no foreigners around faking being busy like sweeping the dirt out of the revetment because you can't be too sure about who is on your side and who isn't.



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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 5/21/2021 6:58:12 PM   
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This is kinda random, but, who even owns/manages this game these days? I know Norm stepped away awhile ago. Is the team just a bunch of volunteers or what?

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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 5/21/2021 7:20:09 PM   
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From what I understand Ralph Trickey is the chief developer, Bob Cross is the chief's assistant developer and head of the beta team and that there were probably half a dozen beta testers on the team. Having said all that I haven't seen anything posted for about a week now.

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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 5/21/2021 7:23:02 PM   
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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 5/21/2021 7:25:59 PM   
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RE: So, when is the new patch coming out? - 5/21/2021 7:32:39 PM   
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