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RE: My BOA Experience - 2/10/2021 10:39:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AlvaroSousa

If this is happening in all versions than it is your tactics.

If you are placing 1 sub per hex in the North Atlantic you will get picked off by planes and ASW in 1.00.091
less so in Beta.

Stack subs in groups of 3 and send singles to far away zones so the Allies are forces to choose.
If you stack single subs in the North Atlantic when they own Iceland yes they will pick you off one by one.
I played 1.00.091 and Beta and I my subs aren't at risk to be outright sunk till 1943.

If they have more than 1 damage pull them back.


I am already doing everything you suggest.
It was an opponent that placed 1 sub in the 10 escort convoy lane and got it sunk, not me.
What I have done that is likely a mistake is move 1 OP distance every turn in the convoy lanes. Maybe I should just sit there until damaged/sunk. I also send any 3 strength sub back for repairs but keep 4 factor ones out there.
At least one opponent is unhappy with how the BOA is going and thinks somethings wrong with my game... but except for deleting and re-downloading a fresh copy, I don't know what else I can do. Back when I was playing using the official 1.08 version, I had the same experiences as everyone else. It's only since I started playing again using the 1.09 and beta 10u3 that this problem has been happening. And I have plenty of other games on the computer that work fine, so I don't get it.


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RE: My BOA Experience - 2/11/2021 1:26:59 AM   
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OK. I deleted every file of WarPlan I could find anywhere on my computer. I have just downloaded and installed WarPlan again. I used the upgrade at the start of WarPlan and I'm back up and running.

I want to use a unit mod (unit.png file). But how can I be certain it won't affect my game... I seem to have had issues with the way the game was working. WTH...

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RE: My BOA Experience - 2/12/2021 1:40:53 PM   
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In 1939 no one should be placing their subs in range of any air.
It is easily 100% avoidable every turn.

Not to say you can mess up.

baloo7777 do not worry about redoing the game.

Based upon your progress in your Axis game...the UK will be out of escorts before the middle of 1940...

And in your Allies game should be able to sink all Uboats before mid 1940...though they may not leave port again as the Axis does not have 200+ points to repair them for use.


It is a game...and I am up to play it. Just was insane how quickly it happened.

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RE: My BOA Experience - 2/12/2021 1:50:26 PM   
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Okay let me explain my Axis experience with baloo7777

Turn 1 Axis...2 subs stacked in raider mode head out, outside of air range.
Turn 2 Axis...2 hits on each sub. WOWSERs...I head back to port to get a repair.
Turn 3 Repair 1...
Turn 4, 2 Subs still in raider mode, stacked move out back on the convoy route.
Turn 5, 2 hit again on 1 sub 2 on the other. Back to port.
Turn 8 2 subs back to sea.
Turn 9 1 sub 1 hit other sub 2 hits. Both head back to port.
New sub arrives...forget turn, heads to sea 2 damage first turn out.

There was not a single turn that a sub did not get hit.

I think they are using modern destroyers against me.

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RE: My BOA Experience - 2/12/2021 4:43:53 PM   
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I checked our game where you are Axis and I Allies...

So far...25 MM and 5 Escorts lost. 0 hits to Uboats.


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RE: My BOA Experience - 2/12/2021 5:03:01 PM   
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image mods don't impact anything. They are just images.

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RE: My BOA Experience - 2/12/2021 8:55:17 PM   
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stjeand... made comment pertaining to our mirror games on the BOA thread.


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RE: My BOA Experience - 2/13/2021 9:52:30 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AlvaroSousa

If this is happening in all versions than it is your tactics.

If you are placing 1 sub per hex in the North Atlantic you will get picked off by planes and ASW in 1.00.091
less so in Beta.

Stack subs in groups of 3 and send singles to far away zones so the Allies are forces to choose.
If you stack single subs in the North Atlantic when they own Iceland yes they will pick you off one by one.
I played 1.00.091 and Beta and I my subs aren't at risk to be outright sunk till 1943.

If they have more than 1 damage pull them back.


Coming in late to this discussion but have some input which your response seems counter intuitive ....

Single subs should be less likely to get picked off .... Less sub density .... 3 sub units, higher density ... more targets ..... So not sure I understand your comment here .....

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RE: My BOA Experience - 2/13/2021 11:39:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: scout1


quote:

ORIGINAL: AlvaroSousa

If this is happening in all versions than it is your tactics.

If you are placing 1 sub per hex in the North Atlantic you will get picked off by planes and ASW in 1.00.091
less so in Beta.

Stack subs in groups of 3 and send singles to far away zones so the Allies are forces to choose.
If you stack single subs in the North Atlantic when they own Iceland yes they will pick you off one by one.
I played 1.00.091 and Beta and I my subs aren't at risk to be outright sunk till 1943.

If they have more than 1 damage pull them back.


Coming in late to this discussion but have some input which your response seems counter intuitive ....

Single subs should be less likely to get picked off .... Less sub density .... 3 sub units, higher density ... more targets ..... So not sure I understand your comment here .....



In my opinion single subs are far more vulnerable than stacks of 2 or 3. I have had single subs sunk at least twice in recent games. One was sunk by 2 air attacks (see my AAR with MM). The other was sunk by 2 escort hits in the same turn, one escort attack did 2 hits and the other 3 hits. Neither time was my sub within 6 hexes of an enemy controlled hex. Both of these were in 39 or early 40. So my personal experience is that single subs are not more difficult to locate than groups of 2 or 3. The problem with single subs is that if the enemy score multiple hits they will automatically hit the same sub twice. If you have 2 or 3 subs the odds of the same sub getting hit twice in the same attack are much reduced.

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RE: My BOA Experience - 2/14/2021 2:11:59 AM   
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In my opinion single subs are far more vulnerable than stacks of 2 or 3. I have had single subs sunk at least twice in recent games. One was sunk by 2 air attacks (see my AAR with MM). The other was sunk by 2 escort hits in the same turn, one escort attack did 2 hits and the other 3 hits. Neither time was my sub within 6 hexes of an enemy controlled hex. Both of these were in 39 or early 40. So my personal experience is that single subs are not more difficult to locate than groups of 2 or 3. The problem with single subs is that if the enemy score multiple hits they will automatically hit the same sub twice. If you have 2 or 3 subs the odds of the same sub getting hit twice in the same attack are much reduced.


Thank you HB... you have confirmed what I am currently seeing in some recent PBEM games.
I gave Alvaro a testData file on several of my PBEM games and got a reply that everything looked correct. So my BOA experiences (as my opponents also) are all within the possible outcomes the mechanics of the game allow for. I do still maintain that the German UBoats should have a bit longer of dominance in 1939-40, though the luck of the dice rolls plays havoc with any possible modifiers in the early BOA.


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