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TRUK Naval Base should be larger than port size 5. - 1/29/2021 5:27:53 AM   
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"During World War II, Truk Lagoon was the Empire of Japan's main base in the South Pacific theatre. Truk was a heavily fortified base for Japanese operations against Allied forces in New Guinea and the Solomon Islands, serving as the forward anchorage for the Japanese Imperial Fleet.

Truk Lagoon was considered the most formidable of all Japanese strongholds in the Pacific. On the various islands, the Japanese Civil Engineering Department and Naval Construction Department had built roads, trenches, bunkers and caves. Five airstrips, seaplane bases, a torpedo boat station, submarine repair shops, a communications center and a radar station were constructed during the war. Protecting these various facilities were coastal defense guns and mortar emplacements. The Japanese garrison consisted of 27,856 IJN men, under the command of Vice Admiral Masami Kobayashi, then Vice Admiral Chuichi Hara, and 16,737 IJA men, under the command of Major General Kanenobu Ishuin.[15] Due to its heavy fortifications, both natural and manmade, the base at Truk was known to Allied forces as "the Gibraltar of the Pacific".[16][17]

A significant portion of the Japanese fleet was based at Truk, with its administrative center on Tonoas (south of Weno). At anchor in the lagoon, were the Imperial Japanese Navy's battleships, aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers, tankers, cargo ships, tugboats, gunboats, minesweepers, landing craft, and submarines. In particular; Yamato and Musashi were stationed at Truk for months around 1943, unable to participate in battle. Some have described Truk as Japan's equivalent of the Americans' Pearl Harbor.[17]



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RE: TRUK Naval Base should be larger than port size 5. - 1/29/2021 9:38:08 AM   
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I imagine having a port value greater than 5 you would need significant infrastructure in the form of drydocks, fuel depots, etc. Off the top of my head the only 10+ ports are on the mainland, perhaps with the exception of Pearl but it had all of those things i mentioned.

I don't deny that Truk was an extremely important for the IJN but it wasn't much more than a heavily fortified coral lagoon with some airstrips that they used as a forward operating base.

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RE: TRUK Naval Base should be larger than port size 5. - 1/29/2021 7:11:33 PM   
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I imagine having a port value greater than 5 you would need significant infrastructure in the form of drydocks, fuel depots, etc. Off the top of my head the only 10+ ports are on the mainland, perhaps with the exception of Pearl but it had all of those things i mentioned.

I don't deny that Truk was an extremely important for the IJN but it wasn't much more than a heavily fortified coral lagoon with some airstrips that they used as a forward operating base.


Just bigger than 5. I say Port size 8. Disagree that it was just a coral lagoon. See my first post. It was the main Japanese base in the Pacific and where all the heavy ships went. It is not the same as all of the other island bases at all...

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RE: TRUK Naval Base should be larger than port size 5. - 1/29/2021 9:02:55 PM   
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I just read Toll's 2nd book, and he makes it 100% clear in one chapter that Truk wasn't in any way comparable to Oahu (say). You listed the defenses, but as far as servicing ships there was no comparison. It had no drydocks, and its oil storage capability was very limited, to the extent that the Japanese had to bring in several oilers for this purpose. At level 5 [it is a secondary supply source, tho even that is questionable] it can repair ships to strength level 8, at which point they need to sail to the home islands to get back to 10, which is perfectly reasonable.

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RE: TRUK Naval Base should be larger than port size 5. - 1/29/2021 9:27:44 PM   
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All the heavy ships could be hanging out next to a rock in the ocean, doesn't mean it's a major supply base.

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RE: TRUK Naval Base should be larger than port size 5. - 1/31/2021 9:47:37 PM   
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All the heavy ships could be hanging out next to a rock in the ocean, doesn't mean it's a major supply base.


Truk was THE major supply base for the Japanese Navy in the Pacific. What else do you want? I'm just saying it does not make sense for it to be exactly the same as every other backwater island in the Pacific. Saigon, Bangkok, and Camrahn Bay are all level 8 ports as well.
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"It became the Imperial Japanese Navy's Fourth Fleet base from November 1939 and the Combined Japanese Navy Fleet were based there from July 1942 to February 1944. Truk Lagoon was regarded by the USA during World War II as the strongest naval base in the Pacific with the exception of Pearl Harbor. Over 37,000 Japanese lived and worked in Truk Lagoon.

Almost all IJN naval vessels gathered there before making sorties into the Solomons, and returned to Truk for refueling and repair when damaged. Never before had the need for oil storage and repair facilities been more urgent, and the Japanese Navy concentrated its oil tankers and repair ships there while quickly trying to build such facilities on land as well.

During May 1942, the 85th Submarine base, was constructed on the western shore of Dublon Island. It serviced, supplied and did minor repairs to subs. Torpedoes were stored in caves and transported by rail car to the shore. Many different repair and barracks existed specific to submarines.

The South Seas Development Company (Nan’yo Kohatsu K.K) had docking facilities on the southwestern tip of Dublon Island. Its supply storage and fish cannery were commandeered by the IJN and it became the Fourth Naval Dockyard. It was the main receiving area for the military. More warehouses and a refrigeration building, HQ, and a two story barracks were constructed. A thousand men worked here on ship repairs, mostly damage sustained to ships from American submarine attacks. The facility also had a 30 ton floating crane and 2,500 ton dry dock. Nearby was a sawmill and small rail cars connected most of the buildings. The Truk Transportation department loaded and unloaded supplies from ships.

Truk’s facilities included five airstrips, seaplanes bases, a torpedo boat station, submarine repair shops, a communication center, and a radar station. The main radio station of the five in the islands was located at Dublon Island, where several concrete radior receiver shelters and buildings were constructed. The Fourth Harbor Department was located on the southeastern part of the island near Doblon Town. It was 22 wooden buildings including repair shops, warehouses and barracks."



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RE: TRUK Naval Base should be larger than port size 5. - 2/2/2021 7:37:34 AM   
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All the heavy ships could be hanging out next to a rock in the ocean, doesn't mean it's a major supply base.


Truk was THE major supply base for the Japanese Navy in the Pacific. What else do you want? I'm just saying it does not make sense for it to be exactly the same as every other backwater island in the Pacific. Saigon, Bangkok, and Camrahn Bay are all level 8 ports as well.
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"It became the Imperial Japanese Navy's Fourth Fleet base from November 1939 and the Combined Japanese Navy Fleet were based there from July 1942 to February 1944. Truk Lagoon was regarded by the USA during World War II as the strongest naval base in the Pacific with the exception of Pearl Harbor. Over 37,000 Japanese lived and worked in Truk Lagoon.

Almost all IJN naval vessels gathered there before making sorties into the Solomons, and returned to Truk for refueling and repair when damaged. Never before had the need for oil storage and repair facilities been more urgent, and the Japanese Navy concentrated its oil tankers and repair ships there while quickly trying to build such facilities on land as well.

During May 1942, the 85th Submarine base, was constructed on the western shore of Dublon Island. It serviced, supplied and did minor repairs to subs. Torpedoes were stored in caves and transported by rail car to the shore. Many different repair and barracks existed specific to submarines.

The South Seas Development Company (Nan’yo Kohatsu K.K) had docking facilities on the southwestern tip of Dublon Island. Its supply storage and fish cannery were commandeered by the IJN and it became the Fourth Naval Dockyard. It was the main receiving area for the military. More warehouses and a refrigeration building, HQ, and a two story barracks were constructed. A thousand men worked here on ship repairs, mostly damage sustained to ships from American submarine attacks. The facility also had a 30 ton floating crane and 2,500 ton dry dock. Nearby was a sawmill and small rail cars connected most of the buildings. The Truk Transportation department loaded and unloaded supplies from ships.

Truk’s facilities included five airstrips, seaplanes bases, a torpedo boat station, submarine repair shops, a communication center, and a radar station. The main radio station of the five in the islands was located at Dublon Island, where several concrete radior receiver shelters and buildings were constructed. The Fourth Harbor Department was located on the southeastern part of the island near Doblon Town. It was 22 wooden buildings including repair shops, warehouses and barracks."




Yes, Truk was a big forward base, but it was still a forward base, and by shipyard standards, a thousand men isn't very much. While you offered a long-ish quote describing the facilities on Truk, the fact that you could spend a paragraph saying what was on Truk does not change the fact that it is at best still a small-medium size port.

You've realy hit two things in your description: (1) it had a big stockpile of supplies, and (2) it was (allegedly) heavily fortified though this proved to be grossly exaggerated in the minds of the allies. In SC2 those factors are reflected in two ways: (1) it should have a decent AA rating if the IJN invests in AA, and (2) it is a secondary supply point.

In terms of actual port facilities and industry, a 2,500-ton dry dock is nothing - Singapore's had two floating dry docks - the smaller of the two came in at like 50,000 tons. Singapore is modeled in game with two level-5 ports.

Truk had to ship all of its raw materials over large distances and a strained IJN shipping network. So what the game is modelling is that forward base dry docks, even very well developed ones, aren't going to be rated as highly as ports with access to the major country's full infrastructure. That Truk is rated the same as Singapore means Truk's value is already inflated in-game.

That is why all of the Australian ports - all of them far larger and better supplied than Truk - are also 5-rated. The impressive thing about Japan's presence there is that Truk, an empty island, is 5-rated to begin with.

You're right that it shouldn't be the seame as Eniwetok, Nauru, Roi-Namur, Kwajelein - in the sense that those places should probably not be secondary supply locations and should have level-3 ports to start. Eniwetok should get bumped up to 5 or 6 if the americans sink MPP into it after capturing it.

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RE: TRUK Naval Base should be larger than port size 5. - 2/2/2021 4:39:12 PM   
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All the heavy ships could be hanging out next to a rock in the ocean, doesn't mean it's a major supply base.


Truk was THE major supply base for the Japanese Navy in the Pacific. What else do you want? I'm just saying it does not make sense for it to be exactly the same as every other backwater island in the Pacific. Saigon, Bangkok, and Camrahn Bay are all level 8 ports as well.
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"It became the Imperial Japanese Navy's Fourth Fleet base from November 1939 and the Combined Japanese Navy Fleet were based there from July 1942 to February 1944. Truk Lagoon was regarded by the USA during World War II as the strongest naval base in the Pacific with the exception of Pearl Harbor. Over 37,000 Japanese lived and worked in Truk Lagoon.

Almost all IJN naval vessels gathered there before making sorties into the Solomons, and returned to Truk for refueling and repair when damaged. Never before had the need for oil storage and repair facilities been more urgent, and the Japanese Navy concentrated its oil tankers and repair ships there while quickly trying to build such facilities on land as well.

During May 1942, the 85th Submarine base, was constructed on the western shore of Dublon Island. It serviced, supplied and did minor repairs to subs. Torpedoes were stored in caves and transported by rail car to the shore. Many different repair and barracks existed specific to submarines.

The South Seas Development Company (Nan’yo Kohatsu K.K) had docking facilities on the southwestern tip of Dublon Island. Its supply storage and fish cannery were commandeered by the IJN and it became the Fourth Naval Dockyard. It was the main receiving area for the military. More warehouses and a refrigeration building, HQ, and a two story barracks were constructed. A thousand men worked here on ship repairs, mostly damage sustained to ships from American submarine attacks. The facility also had a 30 ton floating crane and 2,500 ton dry dock. Nearby was a sawmill and small rail cars connected most of the buildings. The Truk Transportation department loaded and unloaded supplies from ships.

Truk’s facilities included five airstrips, seaplanes bases, a torpedo boat station, submarine repair shops, a communication center, and a radar station. The main radio station of the five in the islands was located at Dublon Island, where several concrete radior receiver shelters and buildings were constructed. The Fourth Harbor Department was located on the southeastern part of the island near Doblon Town. It was 22 wooden buildings including repair shops, warehouses and barracks."




Yes, Truk was a big forward base, but it was still a forward base, and by shipyard standards. A thousand men isn't very much and while you spend a lot of characters describing all of those facilities, what you've described is at best still a small-medium size port.

You've realy hit two things in your description: (1) it had a big stockpile of supplies, and (2) it was (allegedly) heavily fortified though this proved to be grossly exaggerated in the minds of the allies. In SC2 those factors are reflected in two ways: (1) it should have a decent AA rating if the IJN invests in AA, and (2) it is a secondary supply point.

In terms of actual port facilities and industry, a 2,500-ton dry dock is nothing - Singapore's had two floating dry docks - the smaller of the two came in at like 50,000 tons. Singapore is modeled in game with two level-5 ports.

Truk had to ship all of its raw materials over large distances and a strained IJN shipping network. So what the game is modelling is that forward base dry docks, even very well developed ones, aren't going to be rated as highly as ports with access to the major country's full infrastructure. That Truk is rated the same as Singapore means Truk's value is already inflated in-game.

That is why all of the Australian ports - all of them far larger and better supplied than Truk - are also 5-rated. The impressive thing about Japan's presence there is that Truk, an empty island, is 5-rated to begin with.

You're right that it shouldn't be the seame as Eniwetok, Nauru, Roi-Namur, Kwajelein - in the sense that those places should probably not be secondary supply locations and should have level-3 ports to start. Eniwetok should get bumped up to 5 or 6 if the americans sink MPP into it after capturing it.

Ahh thank you! You said everything I was too lazy to say lol.

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RE: TRUK Naval Base should be larger than port size 5. - 2/2/2021 6:40:37 PM   
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All the heavy ships could be hanging out next to a rock in the ocean, doesn't mean it's a major supply base.


Truk was THE major supply base for the Japanese Navy in the Pacific. What else do you want? I'm just saying it does not make sense for it to be exactly the same as every other backwater island in the Pacific. Saigon, Bangkok, and Camrahn Bay are all level 8 ports as well.
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"It became the Imperial Japanese Navy's Fourth Fleet base from November 1939 and the Combined Japanese Navy Fleet were based there from July 1942 to February 1944. Truk Lagoon was regarded by the USA during World War II as the strongest naval base in the Pacific with the exception of Pearl Harbor. Over 37,000 Japanese lived and worked in Truk Lagoon.

Almost all IJN naval vessels gathered there before making sorties into the Solomons, and returned to Truk for refueling and repair when damaged. Never before had the need for oil storage and repair facilities been more urgent, and the Japanese Navy concentrated its oil tankers and repair ships there while quickly trying to build such facilities on land as well.

During May 1942, the 85th Submarine base, was constructed on the western shore of Dublon Island. It serviced, supplied and did minor repairs to subs. Torpedoes were stored in caves and transported by rail car to the shore. Many different repair and barracks existed specific to submarines.

The South Seas Development Company (Nan’yo Kohatsu K.K) had docking facilities on the southwestern tip of Dublon Island. Its supply storage and fish cannery were commandeered by the IJN and it became the Fourth Naval Dockyard. It was the main receiving area for the military. More warehouses and a refrigeration building, HQ, and a two story barracks were constructed. A thousand men worked here on ship repairs, mostly damage sustained to ships from American submarine attacks. The facility also had a 30 ton floating crane and 2,500 ton dry dock. Nearby was a sawmill and small rail cars connected most of the buildings. The Truk Transportation department loaded and unloaded supplies from ships.

Truk’s facilities included five airstrips, seaplanes bases, a torpedo boat station, submarine repair shops, a communication center, and a radar station. The main radio station of the five in the islands was located at Dublon Island, where several concrete radior receiver shelters and buildings were constructed. The Fourth Harbor Department was located on the southeastern part of the island near Doblon Town. It was 22 wooden buildings including repair shops, warehouses and barracks."




Yes, Truk was a big forward base, but it was still a forward base, and by shipyard standards, a thousand men isn't very much. While you offered a long-ish quote describing the facilities on Truk, the fact that you could spend a paragraph saying what was on Truk does not change the fact that it is at best still a small-medium size port.

You've realy hit two things in your description: (1) it had a big stockpile of supplies, and (2) it was (allegedly) heavily fortified though this proved to be grossly exaggerated in the minds of the allies. In SC2 those factors are reflected in two ways: (1) it should have a decent AA rating if the IJN invests in AA, and (2) it is a secondary supply point.

In terms of actual port facilities and industry, a 2,500-ton dry dock is nothing - Singapore's had two floating dry docks - the smaller of the two came in at like 50,000 tons. Singapore is modeled in game with two level-5 ports.

Truk had to ship all of its raw materials over large distances and a strained IJN shipping network. So what the game is modelling is that forward base dry docks, even very well developed ones, aren't going to be rated as highly as ports with access to the major country's full infrastructure. That Truk is rated the same as Singapore means Truk's value is already inflated in-game.

That is why all of the Australian ports - all of them far larger and better supplied than Truk - are also 5-rated. The impressive thing about Japan's presence there is that Truk, an empty island, is 5-rated to begin with.

You're right that it shouldn't be the seame as Eniwetok, Nauru, Roi-Namur, Kwajelein - in the sense that those places should probably not be secondary supply locations and should have level-3 ports to start. Eniwetok should get bumped up to 5 or 6 if the americans sink MPP into it after capturing it.


Fair enough that is true about Singapore and the other little islands. Are there even level 3 ports in the game? I'm still shocked Mobile, Alabama is not a port! Fun discussion!

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RE: TRUK Naval Base should be larger than port size 5. - 2/2/2021 11:12:54 PM   
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Certainly Truk possessed the best fleet anchorage in the Mandates, and it was often rumored before the Pacific War that Japan had turned it into an unassailable bastion. However, it was never as impressive as the Americans initially believed. While it had considerable base facilities, it lacked piers and shore services, forcing ships to anchor in the lagoon and have supplies delivered by lighter, while their onboard generators had to be constantly running to provide power and water. However, some of these deficiencies were remedied as the war progressed.

The garrison eventually reached a maximum of 7500 Army and about 4000 Navy troops by February 1944, and coastal guns were sited to cover all five passes through the surrounding barrier reef, which were also protected with shore-controlled mines. However, there were only 40 antiaircraft guns with no fire control radar. Thanks to Operation Hailstone and occasional raids from Eniwetok and the Admiralties Islands, Truk was eventually reduced by air power to near-uselessness, and would sit out the remainder of the war as a virtual backwater, cut of from the ongoing American offenses in the central Pacific.

So, I tend to think of Truk as the Japanese equivalent of the American base set up at Ulithi Atoll. A large anchorage with shore services capable of sheltering, fueling and mustering a large fleet, but not quite a Pearl Harbor.

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RE: TRUK Naval Base should be larger than port size 5. - 2/3/2021 7:56:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tanaka

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All the heavy ships could be hanging out next to a rock in the ocean, doesn't mean it's a major supply base.


Truk was THE major supply base for the Japanese Navy in the Pacific. What else do you want? I'm just saying it does not make sense for it to be exactly the same as every other backwater island in the Pacific. Saigon, Bangkok, and Camrahn Bay are all level 8 ports as well.
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"It became the Imperial Japanese Navy's Fourth Fleet base from November 1939 and the Combined Japanese Navy Fleet were based there from July 1942 to February 1944. Truk Lagoon was regarded by the USA during World War II as the strongest naval base in the Pacific with the exception of Pearl Harbor. Over 37,000 Japanese lived and worked in Truk Lagoon.

Almost all IJN naval vessels gathered there before making sorties into the Solomons, and returned to Truk for refueling and repair when damaged. Never before had the need for oil storage and repair facilities been more urgent, and the Japanese Navy concentrated its oil tankers and repair ships there while quickly trying to build such facilities on land as well.

During May 1942, the 85th Submarine base, was constructed on the western shore of Dublon Island. It serviced, supplied and did minor repairs to subs. Torpedoes were stored in caves and transported by rail car to the shore. Many different repair and barracks existed specific to submarines.

The South Seas Development Company (Nan’yo Kohatsu K.K) had docking facilities on the southwestern tip of Dublon Island. Its supply storage and fish cannery were commandeered by the IJN and it became the Fourth Naval Dockyard. It was the main receiving area for the military. More warehouses and a refrigeration building, HQ, and a two story barracks were constructed. A thousand men worked here on ship repairs, mostly damage sustained to ships from American submarine attacks. The facility also had a 30 ton floating crane and 2,500 ton dry dock. Nearby was a sawmill and small rail cars connected most of the buildings. The Truk Transportation department loaded and unloaded supplies from ships.

Truk’s facilities included five airstrips, seaplanes bases, a torpedo boat station, submarine repair shops, a communication center, and a radar station. The main radio station of the five in the islands was located at Dublon Island, where several concrete radior receiver shelters and buildings were constructed. The Fourth Harbor Department was located on the southeastern part of the island near Doblon Town. It was 22 wooden buildings including repair shops, warehouses and barracks."




Yes, Truk was a big forward base, but it was still a forward base, and by shipyard standards, a thousand men isn't very much. While you offered a long-ish quote describing the facilities on Truk, the fact that you could spend a paragraph saying what was on Truk does not change the fact that it is at best still a small-medium size port.

You've realy hit two things in your description: (1) it had a big stockpile of supplies, and (2) it was (allegedly) heavily fortified though this proved to be grossly exaggerated in the minds of the allies. In SC2 those factors are reflected in two ways: (1) it should have a decent AA rating if the IJN invests in AA, and (2) it is a secondary supply point.

In terms of actual port facilities and industry, a 2,500-ton dry dock is nothing - Singapore's had two floating dry docks - the smaller of the two came in at like 50,000 tons. Singapore is modeled in game with two level-5 ports.

Truk had to ship all of its raw materials over large distances and a strained IJN shipping network. So what the game is modelling is that forward base dry docks, even very well developed ones, aren't going to be rated as highly as ports with access to the major country's full infrastructure. That Truk is rated the same as Singapore means Truk's value is already inflated in-game.

That is why all of the Australian ports - all of them far larger and better supplied than Truk - are also 5-rated. The impressive thing about Japan's presence there is that Truk, an empty island, is 5-rated to begin with.

You're right that it shouldn't be the seame as Eniwetok, Nauru, Roi-Namur, Kwajelein - in the sense that those places should probably not be secondary supply locations and should have level-3 ports to start. Eniwetok should get bumped up to 5 or 6 if the americans sink MPP into it after capturing it.


Fair enough that is true about Singapore and the other little islands. Are there even level 3 ports in the game? I'm still shocked Mobile, Alabama is not a port! Fun discussion!

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Fair enough that is true about Singapore and the other little islands. Are there even level 3 ports in the game? I'm still shocked Mobile, Alabama is not a port! Fun discussion!


Yes, likewise! It made me get lost in an autistic sea of reading about dry docks. I knew Singapore was touted as a big british military asset but i had no idea how big until you started raising these questions and invited the comparison.

I think the point you were making is that Truk should be more significant strategically in the game than it is currently. I think you are 100% correct there- supply is too trivially easy to obtain in the pacific. If supply was given its proper importance then Truk would be super important as a supply point.

I also wish strategic command modeled experience differently. You look to be a longtime PTO enthusiast (I just started getting into it during quarantine) - I'm sure you know that the usual experience of carriers on deployment was that they'd lose far more aircraft than they would pilots. It's a bit of a klugey abstraction, but you could model this in game by only losing exp on ship repairs and not replacing lost aircraft. Or have a pilot recovery/damage control tech that reduces the amount of exp lost repairing air/ship damage. Thoughts on that?

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RE: TRUK Naval Base should be larger than port size 5. - 2/3/2021 5:10:53 PM   
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TRUK Naval Base should be larger than port size 5.


Would you settle for maybe, 5.75? Asking for a friend.

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RE: TRUK Naval Base should be larger than port size 5. - 2/3/2021 8:43:30 PM   
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TRUK Naval Base should be larger than port size 5.


Would you settle for maybe, 5.75? Asking for a friend.


This is a really interesting discussion about Truk, both pro and con. I guess the question whether the port size possibly be 5.75 must be in jest, right? If it is, I don't get the joke.

I was planning on putting up a thread with the proposal of Kodiak, Alaska as being a Port 5 in a new thread. It was thee major hub of operations in the North Pacific. I think I will do so anyway...I'm curious how hard I'll get jumped on when I do.

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