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minefields? - 1/27/2021 2:00:18 AM   
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Does this game simulate minefields?

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RE: minefields? - 1/27/2021 2:32:10 AM   
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No. Would be nice to see but nope.

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RE: minefields? - 1/27/2021 2:53:22 AM   
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11.9.3 "Contaminated Terrain: Adds 50% to the total Movement Point cost of moving into the hex. This will prevent the unit from moving through more than one contaminated hex per Turn." It also decreases readiness. Many Designers use Contaminated terrain for mines. It works at the Operational scale of the game.

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RE: minefields? - 1/27/2021 3:04:34 PM   
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Too bad there are no losses associated with it. Around 20% of U.S. tank losses were due to mines.





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RE: minefields? - 1/27/2021 11:58:12 PM   
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Too bad there are no losses associated with it. Around 20% of U.S. tank losses were due to mines.






Yup. Imperfect solution. Don't get me started with the lack of any easy way to model breakdowns/obsolescence (non enemy losses in your plot) for vehicles in TOAW :0, but here we are, still driving through Russia with trucks that can be infinitely repaired. I guess a man can just hope for future upgrades.

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RE: minefields? - 1/28/2021 2:18:58 AM   
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Yup. Imperfect solution. Don't get me started with the lack of any easy way to model breakdowns/obsolescence (non enemy losses in your plot) for vehicles in TOAW :0, but here we are, still driving through Russia with trucks that can be infinitely repaired. I guess a man can just hope for future upgrades.


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RE: minefields? - 1/28/2021 8:09:48 AM   
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Pestilence?


Pestilence sends 100% of vehicles to the "On hand" pool, doesn't it? So as noted by the previous poster, "repaired forever".

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RE: minefields? - 1/28/2021 8:11:58 AM   
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Too bad there are no losses associated with it. Around 20% of U.S. tank losses were due to mines.


OK: but minefields as map terrain would be extensive zones of mines, as were common in North Africa and on the Atlantic Wall. I would guess that the majority of that 20% losses to mines were locally laid mines as part of a more conventional defensive zone, and so would effectively be modelled by a unit being in "fortified" deployment or whatever.

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RE: minefields? - 1/28/2021 10:26:18 AM   
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Dummy units can soak up replacements so yeah pestilence.

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RE: minefields? - 1/28/2021 10:28:22 AM   
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Map scale would also be a factor in representing mine fields. I wouldn't use them on anything 5km per hex or higher. Maybe not even at 2.5km per hex.

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RE: minefields? - 1/28/2021 11:13:29 AM   
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Dummy units can soak up replacements so yeah pestilence.


Well if you've got a mechanism like that I'd want pestilence turned off, as trucks which are just sitting in reserve will break down at a similar rate to those which are in the field.

For breakdowns from heavy use, you already have a certain amount of attrition when a unit moves.

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RE: minefields? - 1/28/2021 8:20:04 PM   
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It isn't just about trucks. It's mostly about the Soviet tanks in the east. They lost them by the handfuls through breakdowns and abandonment. Simply driving the unit around wouldn't even begin to touch those losses. Much of the artillery lost was simply unable to move so was abandoned. Too bad we don't have a reliability factor and a one piece of towing equipment for one artillery piece.

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RE: minefields? - 1/28/2021 9:11:54 PM   
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Pestilence is not a good option for minefields, this is one feature that TOAW has sorely missed for 23 years.

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