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Squads, companies and battalions - 1/25/2021 2:19:46 PM   
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Hello
Does anybody have an overview of what is assumed in terms OOB and the numbers of squads? How many squads to a battalion or brigade? I realize that this probably varies wildly from country to country and year to year but I am just looking for some overall numbers so that I can somehow visualize what for instance the loss of 40 squads means in terms of larger units.
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RE: Squads, companies and battalions - 1/25/2021 8:01:29 PM   
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Hello
Does anybody have an overview of what is assumed in terms OOB and the numbers of squads? How many squads to a battalion or brigade? I realize that this probably varies wildly from country to country and year to year but I am just looking for some overall numbers so that I can somehow visualize what for instance the loss of 40 squads means in terms of larger units.
Thanks


Generally, you're looking at the rule of three:
Three squads to a platoon, three platoons to a company, three companies to a battalion, three battalions to a regiment, three regiments to a division. Of course, that's pretty much just rifle squads, as you'd have other forces too like engineer and support squads, anti-tank companies etc etc

However, that is the ideal setup at the time. The OOBs/TO&Es you find in WitE are more akin to what was really fielded. For example, the many changes that the rifle divisions go through, or the battalion per regiment reductions of Finns and Germans.

Open up the Editor to take a real look at the different OOBs. You'll also find that some equipment changes, such as rifle squads requiring fewer men.


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RE: Squads, companies and battalions - 1/26/2021 6:59:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kch


Hello
Does anybody have an overview of what is assumed in terms OOB and the numbers of squads? How many squads to a battalion or brigade? I realize that this probably varies wildly from country to country and year to year but I am just looking for some overall numbers so that I can somehow visualize what for instance the loss of 40 squads means in terms of larger units.
Thanks


For the germans it varied somewhat depending upon time and unit type. Please see the attached. NOTE it's a Libre file so rename the .txt to .odt to read it.

Black numbers are fighting men, blue total men. For the total strength box anything in blue is a questimated, if it's in black it accurated. All of these were taked from the German (KstN), the equivalent of the TOE.

Panzer unit tended to have 5 x panzer per zug (plt) but some le Pz had 6 and later, due to shortages, only 4 or even 3.

I'm unsure about the Soviets but I beleive it ranged from 9 - 11 again depending upon time and unit type. Tank Co (10 Tanks) in 3 tanks plt (3 tanks) plus a commander tank.


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RE: Squads, companies and battalions - 1/26/2021 9:52:17 AM   
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Just to expand on the previous responses- You can look at it this way too-- in June 1941 the general German Heer (Army) system was that a division had 3 infantry regiments. You should notice that the early war TOE (table of organization and equipment) for a German infantry divison is about 342 rifle squads (just click the unit to see). Divide the 342 by 3 regiments (to find out how many per regiment). So you get apprx 114 rifle squads per regiment. Now each rifle regiment (and this can change over the war for various reasons) has 3 battalions. So if we divide 114 by 3 again, then we get apprx 38 rifle squads per battalion. Again, dividing the Battalion (Bn) by 3 companies (each Bn has 3 companies) you get apprx 13 squads per company. Finally, each company has 3 platoons (german- "Zug"), so each platoon has apprx 4 squads.

However, when you try to use your imagination to interpret 20 rifle squads lost, you should also keep in mind that the way the Infanterie division employed its regiments in the attack/defense and other missions varied. For example, in a particular situation a german division may only be using 2 of it's regiments in the attack and keeps one in reserve, so the lost rifle squads would only be lost to the 2 regiments and not the third. But this game does not go that deep, so you can just abstract it.

A German infantry brigade (900th motorized for example) is approx the size an infantry division's regiment (approx 100 squads) with the addition of its own integral (organic) support and artillery.
Notice that a 17,000 man German infantry division only has about 3420 men who are actual infantry men (aka line infantry). The support squads (an abstraction of medical/ supply/ support services etc-in other words- non-front-line soldiers - make up more than 10,000 men of the division.

By the way, it makes me wonder if this game accounts for the fact that most attacks (in real life) would not necessarily make use of every single divisional organic artillery piece. Not all regiments were necessarily engaged during an attack or a defense (which means that some attacks might only be made by a battalion plus size. Does anyone know if the game somehow accounts for this? Another thing comes to mind, pretty much every soldier was assigned a Kar98, and non-frontline soliders would occasionally find themselves joining combat in emergencies.

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RE: Squads, companies and battalions - 1/26/2021 1:25:29 PM   
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Thank you very much for the your replies. The game is super detailed, so I sometimes get lost in these things.

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