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OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/22/2021 12:52:33 AM   
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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/22/2021 2:48:41 AM   
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Loved that plane. When I was a grunt, if my a** was in a bind, that's the A/C I wanted looking over my shoulder. A-10, as in attack, pure ground support.


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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/22/2021 11:44:25 AM   
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I think in the book "Red Dawn" something, I forgot the full name, The A-10 was nicknamed "The Devils Cross". It is the definition of Heavy-duty....GP

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/22/2021 11:59:52 AM   
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I think in the book "Red Dawn" something, I forgot the full name, The A-10 was nicknamed "The Devils Cross". It is the definition of Heavy-duty....GP


Maybe "Red Storm Rising" is the book?

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/22/2021 12:29:28 PM   
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I think in the book "Red Dawn" something, I forgot the full name, The A-10 was nicknamed "The Devils Cross". It is the definition of Heavy-duty....GP


Maybe "Red Storm Rising" is the book?


Yes, Red Storm Rising. Thank you Range Joe....GP

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/22/2021 12:37:44 PM   
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A-10 are still in use today? Thought they were phased out?

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/22/2021 12:56:18 PM   
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They are looking for a replacement as far as I know. But I believe they are still in use....GP

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/22/2021 1:00:14 PM   
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A-10 are still in use today? Thought they were phased out?


The Air Forces wants flashy fighter aircraft, the US Congress wants effective aircraft . . .

Not to mention the US Army which would probably be willing to field A-10s if the US Air Force does not want them.

Could you imagine A-10s strafing and bombing lightly armoured modern Naval vessels!

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/22/2021 1:14:38 PM   
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There cannon rounds would go straight through in many areas. You know the A-10's were built around there cannon....GP

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/22/2021 1:22:50 PM   
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There cannon rounds would go straight through in many areas. You know the A-10's were built around there cannon....GP


Right to the Petty Officers library where those girly magazines will explode!

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/22/2021 2:30:24 PM   
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A-10 are still in use today? Thought they were phased out?


The Air Forces wants flashy fighter aircraft, the US Congress wants effective aircraft . . .

Not to mention the US Army which would probably be willing to field A-10s if the US Air Force does not want them.

Could you imagine A-10s strafing and bombing lightly armoured modern Naval vessels!


Army would love them as Airforce wants to shoot down planes not support ground units. But alas army is not allowed fixed wing aircraft so has to rely on helicopters for most close ground support.

Unfortunately for Airforce, good for ground forces, they keep trying to get rid of them then once again they prove there worth and Airforce gets stuck with them for awhile longer.

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/22/2021 2:38:00 PM   
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I think in the book "Red Dawn" something, I forgot the full name, The A-10 was nicknamed "The Devils Cross". It is the definition of Heavy-duty....GP


Maybe "Red Storm Rising" is the book?


Yes, Red Storm Rising. Thank you Range Joe....GP

No - RSR was a Tom Clancy book about the USSR attacking Europe and in the Atlantic. Red Dawn was the one about Russian Paratroops taking a town in the USA.

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/22/2021 2:42:00 PM   
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A-10 are still in use today? Thought they were phased out?


The Air Forces wants flashy fighter aircraft, the US Congress wants effective aircraft . . .

Not to mention the US Army which would probably be willing to field A-10s if the US Air Force does not want them.

Could you imagine A-10s strafing and bombing lightly armoured modern Naval vessels!


Army would love them as Airforce wants to shoot down planes not support ground units. But alas army is not allowed fixed wing aircraft so has to rely on helicopters for most close ground support.

Unfortunately for Airforce, good for ground forces, they keep trying to get rid of them then once again they prove there worth and Airforce gets stuck with them for awhile longer.

I watched a recent "Warbirds" doc on the Apache Helicopter. They more or less said the Army prefers it to the A-10 because they have more direct control of the missions it flies and it can get closer with the weapons fire (because it can hover and pinpoint the enemy more easily).

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/22/2021 2:59:50 PM   
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A-10 are still in use today? Thought they were phased out?


The Air Forces wants flashy fighter aircraft, the US Congress wants effective aircraft . . .

Not to mention the US Army which would probably be willing to field A-10s if the US Air Force does not want them.

Could you imagine A-10s strafing and bombing lightly armoured modern Naval vessels!


Army would love them as Airforce wants to shoot down planes not support ground units. But alas army is not allowed fixed wing aircraft so has to rely on helicopters for most close ground support.

Unfortunately for Airforce, good for ground forces, they keep trying to get rid of them then once again they prove there worth and Airforce gets stuck with them for awhile longer.

I watched a recent "Warbirds" doc on the Apache Helicopter. They more or less said the Army prefers it to the A-10 because they have more direct control of the missions it flies and it can get closer with the weapons fire (because it can hover and pinpoint the enemy more easily).


They both have their uses. The A-10 can be easier to relocate around the globe and is faster.

Put a tail hook on the A-10 and give it to the US Marines . . .

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/22/2021 3:10:03 PM   
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Would not they love that. Maybe when no one else wants it they will get it.

The army keeps asking for one or something like it.

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/22/2021 7:20:17 PM   
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A-10 are still in use today? Thought they were phased out?

I saw them flying (between, not above, the mountains) in central New Hampshire last summer. I assumed they were an air national guard unit.

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/22/2021 8:11:59 PM   
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I think in the book "Red Dawn" something, I forgot the full name, The A-10 was nicknamed "The Devils Cross". It is the definition of Heavy-duty....GP


Maybe "Red Storm Rising" is the book?


Yes, Red Storm Rising. Thank you Range Joe....GP

No - RSR was a Tom Clancy book about the USSR attacking Europe and in the Atlantic. Red Dawn was the one about Russian Paratroops taking a town in the USA.


I'm pretty sure that Clancy's Red Storm Rising is the book where A-10 come to be known as the Devil's Cross.

At any rate, they're great ground attack planes.

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/23/2021 4:11:25 AM   
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Not to mention the US Army which would probably be willing to field A-10s if the US Air Force does not want them.


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Army would love them as Airforce wants to shoot down planes not support ground units. But alas army is not allowed fixed wing aircraft so has to rely on helicopters for most close ground support.


As far as I'm concerned the Airforce merely pays lip to ground support. They look at it as something they need to recognize, but to them its a 'burden'.

Finally the A-10 comes along and they have to accept it, or take a chance on losing that roll to the Army, and the budget to go with it. Then almost from the beginning their MO is to 'lose' this plane.

Keep in mind here I talking about the 'Brass', not the pilot in the cockpit. Kinda like the 'Bomber Mafia' back in the day.

These geniuses even armed these A/C with an air-to-air missiles for Gulf War I. A/C not set up for that. Pilot tried to get a lock on a helo, but couldn't. Got frustrated. Gave the helo a burst from the 30mm, confetti.

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/23/2021 4:17:19 AM   
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Put a tail hook on the A-10 and give it to the US Marines . . .


Yeah, those crazy bastards would probably love that.

Hell, they still fly the Cobra.

Best ground support pilots in the services.

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/23/2021 5:46:32 AM   
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Put a tail hook on the A-10 and give it to the US Marines . . .


Yeah, those crazy bastards would probably love that.

Hell, they still fly the Cobra.

Best ground support pilots in the services.


Maybe they are also given infantry training as well so they know what it is like on the ground.

There is nothing wrong with the Cobra and the Marine version has two engines.

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/23/2021 9:52:13 AM   
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I think in the book "Red Dawn" something, I forgot the full name, The A-10 was nicknamed "The Devils Cross". It is the definition of Heavy-duty....GP


Maybe "Red Storm Rising" is the book?


Yes, Red Storm Rising. Thank you Range Joe....GP

No - RSR was a Tom Clancy book about the USSR attacking Europe and in the Atlantic. Red Dawn was the one about Russian Paratroops taking a town in the USA.


I'm pretty sure that Clancy's Red Storm Rising is the book where A-10 come to be known as the Devil's Cross.

At any rate, they're great ground attack planes.


It is so. Red Storm Rising is a great book, and that nickname for the Warthog is spot on. Usually, it’s the first thing coming to my mind every time I see footage of an A-10.

Red Dawn is not a book, but a Hollywood movie with a stupidly improbable premise.

And the A-10 is indeed a great ground attack plane. Err... « flying cannon which also drops bombs »

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/23/2021 2:25:49 PM   
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The plane is obsolete. Drones and other UAVs have rendered manned planes archaic. Time to move on.

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/23/2021 4:22:33 PM   
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When you Amis are all done with your A-10s, you've beaten them up and flown them to their last legs, and their fatigue ratings is "99", just sell them to Canada. We are world renown for buying the clapped out, surplus gear from other nations' inventories. Then we spend years and millions/billions repairing them. After that, we put out a tender for new stuff. We then accept the best equipment bid. The opposition says we should have chosen the less expensive stuff and swear that's what they would've done if they were the party in office. Then we have an election and the opposition take office. They then pay expensive cancellation fees and order the less expensive, less capable equipment. There are cost over-runs and delays. When the second rate gear arrives, it ends up being more expensive than the first rate gear, but arrives late and costs more than if we had stuck with the first contract.

Sounds stupid, but that is Canada. Nothing is too bad for our guys and gals in green or blue.

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/23/2021 4:43:07 PM   
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The plane is obsolete. Drones and other UAVs have rendered manned planes archaic. Time to move on.


Maybe, but they said the same of air to air cannon and small AA guns on destroyers before Vietnam. That ended up not working so well. So they ended up restoring both as the new technology did not quite work as intended once the real shooting started.

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/23/2021 4:57:48 PM   
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The plane is obsolete. Drones and other UAVs have rendered manned planes archaic. Time to move on.


Not true.

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/24/2021 12:05:03 AM   
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The plane is obsolete. Drones and other UAVs have rendered manned planes archaic. Time to move on.


Maybe, but they said the same of air to air cannon and small AA guns on destroyers before Vietnam. That ended up not working so well. So they ended up restoring both as the new technology did not quite work as intended once the real shooting started.


Maybe? The plane first flew in 1972 and operationally flew 44 years ago.

Obsolete. Almost as laughable as he B-52

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/24/2021 12:06:39 AM   
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The plane is obsolete. Drones and other UAVs have rendered manned planes archaic. Time to move on.


Not true.

Sieg Heil, Komrade!



Really? 48 years old and still vibrant? Yeah, okay, I was told the F-35 would replace the A10, F16 and F15. What happened to that? Quit digging.

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/24/2021 12:12:21 AM   
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The plane is obsolete. Drones and other UAVs have rendered manned planes archaic. Time to move on.


Maybe, but they said the same of air to air cannon and small AA guns on destroyers before Vietnam. That ended up not working so well. So they ended up restoring both as the new technology did not quite work as intended once the real shooting started.


Maybe? The plane first flew in 1972 and operationally flew 44 years ago.

Obsolete. Almost as laughable as he B-52


Komrade, how old is the fifty caliber Browning machine gun? Where is its replacement?

The B-52 is not laughable.

The DC-3s are still being used.

Run home and get in contact with President Kim.

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/24/2021 12:15:01 AM   
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The plane is obsolete. Drones and other UAVs have rendered manned planes archaic. Time to move on.


Not true.

Sieg Heil, Komrade!



Really? 48 years old and still vibrant? Yeah, okay, I was told the F-35 would replace the A10, F16 and F15. What happened to that? Quit digging.


Komrade, They came and talked to you personally? Wow, you must be special. Say hello to Putin, Komrade.

Komrade, as far as digging, that is how many things are mined.

Komrade, how is your supply of medicine holding out?

Sieg Heil, Komrades!

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RE: OT: A-10's in Korea! - 1/24/2021 12:15:46 AM   
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When you Amis are all done with your A-10s, you've beaten them up and flown them to their last legs, and their fatigue ratings is "99", just sell them to Canada. We are world renown for buying the clapped out, surplus gear from other nations' inventories. Then we spend years and millions/billions repairing them. After that, we put out a tender for new stuff. We then accept the best equipment bid. The opposition says we should have chosen the less expensive stuff and swear that's what they would've done if they were the party in office. Then we have an election and the opposition take office. They then pay expensive cancellation fees and order the less expensive, less capable equipment. There are cost over-runs and delays. When the second rate gear arrives, it ends up being more expensive than the first rate gear, but arrives late and costs more than if we had stuck with the first contract.

Sounds stupid, but that is Canada. Nothing is too bad for our guys and gals in green or blue.

You got some good FA-18's from OZ, only a million flying hours, only driven to church on Sunday's.

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