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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 7/8/2021 8:44:41 PM   
Lowpe


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I don't think I have ever seen a IJA attack from this vector in China before...usually it is a march up the road from Canton.

Good luck, but I don't think you will need it for this move.

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 7/9/2021 5:00:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

I don't think I have ever seen a IJA attack from this vector in China before...usually it is a march up the road from Canton.

Good luck, but I don't think you will need it for this move.


I decided to try this route as there is a good road east from Hanoi. I am still battling through the woods, and the enemy is reinforcing from the east.

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 7/9/2021 5:00:51 PM   
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I-153 missed AS Lucia with 2 torpedoes near Trincomalee.

S-33 sank AMc Shonan Maru #7 at Roi-Namur.

P-40s strafed the Japanese paras at Tsuyung again. Lysanders, B-17s and B-25s bombed the paras at Paoshan, doing minor damage.

Blens bombed Japanese troops at Lashio, doing very little damage in the jungle.

Bettys destroyed about 20 light industry at Kweiyang. Flying out of Haiphong, I'm using the Bettys do hit industry well behind the lines, at places unlikely to have enemy fighters. Part of the war on Chinese supply.

The Dutch HQ TC Borneo unit was eliminated near Tarakan. Still a couple of units near Balikpapan, in the jungle, to eliminate. Working on it.

Chinese shock attack at Paoshan, getting 1 to 1 odds, but all of the casualties are Chinese, 84 of them. The paras at Paoshan are low but not out of supply. The Chinese at Tsuyung also did a shock attack, getting 7 to 1 odds. 19 Japanese and 88 Chinese casualties. The Japanese paras here are out of supply.

I am going to try to drop some supply into Paoshan today. It is more likely that enemy fighters are flying over Tsuyung, being just 2 hexes from Kunming.

The Japanese stack is moving east from just captured Nanning. The enemy stack that was defeated at Nanning is fleeing to the east, but enemy troops to the east are now showing movement west, moving to where the defeated enemy are.

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 7/10/2021 2:57:08 AM   
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I have to say that your AAR is greatly appreciated....you missed your calling and should have been a educator. I might have amounted to something with teachers that could explain to dullards!!

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 7/10/2021 4:34:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pontiouspilot

I have to say that your AAR is greatly appreciated....you missed your calling and should have been a educator. I might have amounted to something with teachers that could explain to dullards!!


Thank you for the kind words. I started doing AARs long ago, with the purpose of keeping my dad and a friend up to date on my games. Now I do so because I enjoy it and I think that there's a lot that can be learned by seeing the details of another game.

I am an experienced player, having played AE and its predecessors for decades. But I don't consider myself an expert at anything in the game. There's always something new to learn. There is a level of player that is above my level. I don't min/max things generally, and enjoy the connection to history and the journey of playing the game. But I do think that I can play a solid game.

In a game this detailed and long, everyone makes mistakes. I am willing to talk about mine, and we all learn from it.

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 7/10/2021 4:37:19 PM   
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I made a big air effort over Liuchow. 42 Oscars swept, finding 23 P-40Es. The Warhawks usually get the best of the Oscars, but they didn't do so here. They were Flying Tigers. I wonder if they had been flying every day lately, while my Oscars were rested.

19 Sallys then hit the airfield, with 29 Oscars as escort. 9 Warhawks still flying. A few planes lost on both sides. Minor base damage in light rain. Then 30 more Oscars took care of the remaining Warhawks. 27 Lillys then bombed, along with 20 Sallys. Troops were hit too, in the clear terrain.

Japanese units invaded Koepang. 3 small carriers covered from a hex away. CAP over Koepang and the invasion shipping was very light, just 4 or 5 Zeros. A few Do-24Ks and Catalinas attacked shipping there. A few of the big slow planes were shot down. A few dropped bombs that missed. Koepang's airbase is very damaged. I'm lucky that the enemy didn't have more naval bombers in the area.

In Burma, a big win at Lashio, opening the door to China.

Ground combat at Lashio (62,46)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 28458 troops, 242 guns, 18 vehicles, Assault Value = 808

Defending force 11827 troops, 16 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 432

Japanese adjusted assault: 483

Allied adjusted defense: 205

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Lashio !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
690 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 131 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled

Allied ground losses:
4000 casualties reported
Squads: 159 destroyed, 45 disabled
Non Combat: 76 destroyed, 29 disabled
Engineers: 22 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Units retreated 5

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
55th Division
33rd Division
4th RTA/A Division
15th Army
21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
36th Chinese Division
96th Chinese Division
200th Chinese Division
BFF Brigade
88th Chinese Division


At Tsuyung, the Chinese got a 29 to 1 attack against the out of supply paras. The end is near for the paras there. But at Paoshan, 18 transports dropped supply to the Japanese paras, keeping them from running completely out of supply.

Ground combat at Paoshan (65,45)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 1239 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 54

Defending force 358 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 21

Allied adjusted assault: 16

Japanese adjusted defense: 19

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
147 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
22nd New Chinese Division

Defending units:
1st Raiding Rgt /1


The paras here might hold, and with Lashio taken, 2 divisions start to move to relieve the paras and capture Paoshan.

The C-47 is the workhorse of the Allied transports flying supply to China. But its range is limited. It can fly to Tsuyung and Kunming, but no further from Ledo. My goal is to take these mountain bases, sealing off China from Burma and preventing air supply from getting through. Later in the war, other transport models with longer range appear, and they can fly to bases closer to Chungking, but it's a long time until those models appear in large numbers.




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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 7/11/2021 4:00:54 PM   
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I-20 sank APD Gregory just off of the Australian coast south of Brisbane. 2 other APDs sighted. No troops loaded.

I repeated the big air effort over Liuchow, but found no enemy fighters. Bombers inflicted many casualties on the enemy troops. And there are a lot of troops there now. Over 90k, and more coming from the east. I'm waiting for all of my divisions to get into place, then all units will cross the river simultaneously. Massive over-stacking in my preparation hex. There will be one huge battle then at Liuchow. The enemy will have forts, but it is clear terrain. Will 100k of Japanese troops with armor and artillery be enough against 100k Chinese troops? I don't know.

The landing continued at Koepang. 3 Catalinas attacked the invasion shipping again. The Cats were at 1000 feet. Yesterday, the Zeros at 20k and 11k did intercept them, but not today. In the morning, the Cat's bombs missed. In the afternoon, 2 Cats dropped bombs on APD Shimakaze, getting 3 hits and sinking the APD. I should have adjusted the Zero altitudes to very low. First Japanese attack at Koepang goes poorly:

Ground combat at Koepang (68,116)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3060 troops, 24 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 82

Defending force 1344 troops, 0 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 32

Japanese adjusted assault: 12

Allied adjusted defense: 51

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 4 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
193 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 20 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
61 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
42nd Naval Guard Unit
48th Naval Guard Unit

Defending units:
27th Avn Sup
Timor Cdo


Bad luck combined with disabled squads from a mostly unprepared landing. The troops will rest and recover. There is plenty of supply. And another naval guard unit will land in a couple of days.

Many enemy bombers hit the Japanese paras at Paoshan, but no enemy ground attack. The paras at Paoshan are now completely out of supply, despite transports dropping some daily to them. The bombers did a number on the troops and their supply level. I don't know if the ground troops will get to Paoshan in time for the paras, traveling over a slow trail. Wish I had an armor unit with them.

At Tsuyung, the enemy shock attacks, getting high combat odds, and the Japanese paras banzai attack with defeat near. I figure that the paras are gone, but the report is a surprise:

Ground combat at Tsuyung (68,46)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 1331 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 34

Defending force 310 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 10

Allied adjusted assault: 54

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 54 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Allied ground losses:
40 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
2nd Reserve Division

Defending units:
Yokosuka 1st SNLF /1


I've never seen a banzai attack with no casualties! But the end is still near for these guys. No supply, brutal odds and few troops still able to fight.

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 7/12/2021 7:41:27 PM   
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Supply continues to unload at Koepang. Another naval guard unit to start unloading today. Yamashiro, Fuso and Nagato and escorts bombarded Koepang, taking out the remaining Catalinas and causing 271 casualties. The airbase is shut down and little to no repair has been seen there recently.

Big development at Darwin. First Japanese recon of Darwin shows 20 units, with 18840 men, 230 guns and 165 vehicles. It is being defended and Katherine is building. My plan to invade with a division, a brigade, and armor and artillery support is probably not good enough. Considering options.

Bettys from Port Moresby make a nuisance bombing of the 46th Construction Regiment at Coen traveling to Portland Roads. Just vehicles seen in it. Some destroyed, lots damaged.

No enemy air over Paoshan. Bettys and Sallys bombed and some supply was dropped in.

Enemy troops at Liuchow were bombed heavily again. Airbase damaged also.

Oscars swept Chungking at long range from the southeast, finding just P-43A-1s defending. Oscars were heavily used over Liuchow also. Losses were about even at 5, except that an additional 5 Oscars were ops losses. Some probably due to the long range flight.

Lysanders and Blens bombed Japanese paras at Paoshan. B-17s and B-25s bombed Japanese paras at Tsuyung. Enemy shock attack at Tsuyung went off at 44 to 1 with 15 Japanese casualties and 18 Chinese. The paras will be destroyed soon.

Cocos Island, west of Java, was invaded by the 46th Naval Guard unit and captured. Christmas Island IO is about to be invaded also.




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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 7/13/2021 6:19:00 PM   
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Reinforcements start to unload at Koepang.

Again, heavy bombing of Chinese units at Liuchow. Sallys bombed the airfield at nearby Kweilin, finding 4 P-40Es flying. Warhawks were at 26k and bombers were at 6k, and the fighters didn't catch the bombers. Minor base damage done.

P-40s swept Lashio. No CAP. Lots of Allied bombers hit Japanese troops on the move at Lashio, slowing the pursuit towards Myitkyina and into China.

Bettys from Haipong flew deep into China to hit the light industry at Chengtu, but found I-15s and Hawks there. Many Bettys were lost and very little damage done.

Zeros from CVLs didn't fly over Koepang, and 2 Do-24K-1s dropped 3 bombs on xAK Kurohime Maru, sinking the ship. "Carrier support unable to supply air cover.." OPilot is using the big float planes as effective low level ship bombers. It's working because I don't have a lot of Zeros on my 3 CVLs, and they mainly need to protect the carriers.

Thinking about training a long range float plane unit in low level bombing.

The last Dutch unit on Borneo is eliminated in the jungle near Balikpapan.

Japanese paras eliminated at Tsuyung. Most of the para unit's support wasn't flown in, and is now at Rangoon, where the unit will rebuild.

OPilot is now traveling and won't be able to do a turn until Monday. I'll hold onto this turn and work on it slowly. I have some things to figure out.

1. Darwin. It has about 20k enemy troops with 20 units. Has guns and probably some armor. OPilot intends to make a stand there. I don't have enough forces planning for a direct assault on Darwin, and will need more than 3 CVLs to support an invasion. Darwin doesn't do a lot for the Japanese, but I consider it a huge priority for the Allies. From Darwin, the Allies can strike deep into critical areas. Timor is the logical next step, but not mandatory. And from Timor, the Japanese situation starts to become hopeless. You can't defend everywhere, and the Allies can strike right into the oil producing areas.

I think it is important for me to take Darwin and the northern Australian bases. The question is how to do it in the face of what looks like a stronger than normal defense.

2. Start worrying about the Japanese perimeter. It's a very thin shell, with my major commitment to China. I need to start digging in defenders somewhere, but in places that will make a difference and be hard to bypass.

3. Using KB. 3 big carriers are currently north of Koumac, loitering. 2 big carriers are in Japan upgrading and repairing, for about 3 more weeks. What to do with them? I need to defend the South Pacific, and that will be with KB. The Allies have lost 2 big carriers. I've lost 1. Figuring the OPilot has Wasp or will have soon, he has 2 carriers and another that had taken 3 bomb hits and could be repaired soon. He may want to use the carriers in an area that KB is not in. North of Australia is a possible use. OPilot knows that only CVLs are up there. He could also use British carriers there. I've seen British escorts along the western side of Australia.

So, I have a week or so to think about things and work on every little detail that I can, having so much time.




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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 7/20/2021 2:52:18 AM   
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At Cocos Islands, Skipjack hit xAK Sinkyo Maru with a torpedo, and it wasn't a dud. The ship did sink. It had unloaded all of the troops but was going to extract them, now that the island is taken. Nearby Christmas Island IO was also taken.

Base support landed at Koepang, which is still in Dutch hands. Another naval guard unit is in the process of unloading. Then 3 naval guard units will attack, combined with a 3 battleship bombardment.

Lots of Japanese bombers hit Liuchow again, and the troops there. It will attacked by river crossing in the next turn. Still showing movement towards Liuchow from the east, although some units are passing through and heading north on the rail line to Tuyun. OPilot sees my very slow developing threat to the north of Liuchow, from the woods with no roads. It is a threat, but a weak one. The real force will attack Liuchow.

Near Shwebo, in the clear, about 50 Blens bombed Japanese troops, causing about 250 casualties. Will move into the jungle soon.

At Lashio, the B-17s returned, as expected. I moved Zeros and Nicks to greet them. Instead, the fighters didn't fly due to lack of supply, and about 10 planes were destroyed on the ground. The units are in bad shape and will probably be ordered back to Rangoon to recover.

The Japanese 20th Recon Regiment took the unoccupied dot base of Ningsia, east of Lanchow. 2 enemy units are just to the southwest of Ningsia, across a river. The tanks will wait for the infantry to catch up. Japanese forces here will undoubtedly be bombed in the clear terrain, so far from Japanese bases. I accept that. This offensive is really a diversion. If I actually take Lanchow, all the better, but it isn't expected.

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 7/21/2021 1:57:40 PM   
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I-153 sank AM Pieter de Bitter with a torpedo outside of Trincomalee.

OPilot continued the big air assault on Lashio, with Blens and B-17s. The base is now heavily damaged and has little supply. I need this base built up to supply my attack into China from Burma. It's just a size 1 airfield and is limited in the supply that can be drawn to it. Engineers and flak are on the way.

Yamashiro, Fuso and Nagato, and escorts, bombarded Koepang, destroying a couple more float planes and causing some damage. Japanese deliberate attack goes at 2 to 1 odds and reduces the forts to 1. The base will fall within a week. May need another battleship bombardment.

Liuchow's troops were bombed heavily again, contributing to the assault preparations. Then a huge river crossing attack. 6 Japanese divisions involved. Bigger than my Singapore assault.

Ground combat at Liuchow (74,55)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 85760 troops, 763 guns, 717 vehicles, Assault Value = 2702

Defending force 50339 troops, 250 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1487

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 4359 [Big adjustment upwards. Good use of HQs and good leaders, and very high preparation, seem to have made a difference.]

Allied adjusted defense: 814

Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Liuchow !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
6024 casualties reported
Squads: 26 destroyed, 612 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 58 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 28 disabled
Guns lost 68 (2 destroyed, 66 disabled)
Vehicles lost 80 (2 destroyed, 78 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
18500 casualties reported
Squads: 480 destroyed, 261 disabled
Non Combat: 543 destroyed, 159 disabled
Engineers: 116 destroyed, 8 disabled
Guns lost 95 (44 destroyed, 51 disabled)
Units retreated 12

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
4th Division
23rd Tank Regiment
19th Division
14th Division
Imperial Guards Division
5th Ind Engineer Regiment
18th Division
3rd Tank Regiment
9th Tank Regiment
56th Division
10th Tank Regiment
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
30th Field AA Machinecannon Company
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
29th Field AA Machinecannon Company
25th Field AA Machinecannon Company
16th Army
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
25th Chinese Corps
60th Chinese Corps
63rd Chinese Corps
31st Chinese Corps
65th Chinese Corps
2nd Prov Chinese Corps
7th Chinese Base Force
35th Group Army
7th Artillery Regiment
12th Group Army
9th Group Army
18th Chinese Base Force


Chinese Expeditionary Army is at Canton. With a radius of 9 hexes, it was prepped for Liuchow and has 70 experience. Gen Shunroku Hata is in command. Leadership 72, Inspiration 64, Admin 62, Aggression 63, Land 72. Having the high level HQ contribute helped win this battle. This HQ, along with most of the units at Liuchow, will now start prepping for Tuyun.




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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 7/21/2021 9:39:26 PM   
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The almost 3k AV of Japanese on the main road has to send absolute chills into China HQ! China has so many troops off road, so many past Sian...

Taking Paoshan from Burma is darn tough, especially if the British get in there...

The Tuyun forces look numerous and with a fair bit of guns...might slow down an approach up the Tuyun road giving China time to reorganize. If you can bomb them while they move thru that x3 terrain you might make all the upcoming fights easier if you go that way.

Of course you have to reduce Hengyang too for the river crossing.

Very promising for Japan.

When do you get the 1st and 2nd Tank Divisions?


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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 7/21/2021 9:51:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

The almost 3k AV of Japanese on the main road has to send absolute chills into China HQ! China has so many troops off road, so many past Sian...

Taking Paoshan from Burma is darn tough, especially if the British get in there...

The Tuyun forces look numerous and with a fair bit of guns...might slow down an approach up the Tuyun road giving China time to reorganize. If you can bomb them while they move thru that x3 terrain you might make all the upcoming fights easier if you go that way.

Of course you have to reduce Hengyang too for the river crossing.

Very promising for Japan.

When do you get the 1st and 2nd Tank Divisions?




The last of the sub units of the 1st Tank Division appears in Manchuria within a month. 2 to 3 months for the 2nd Tank Division. One armor unit of the 1st was in Burma. It is now at Moulmein heading into Thailand, for the trip through Saigon and on to China, where the rest of the unit is fighting. Minus the unspawned parts to come in Manchuria.

Hengyang should go well. The enemy at Tuyun will be a problem if they stay together. Some of that stack came from Hengyang. OPilot has to worry about my units coming through the woods also. He can't deploy everything forward.

And there's the threat to cutting China in two in the far north. I had looked at our last game, and saw how close China was to collapsing. My invasion of Burma at Rangoon, Pegu and Moulmein saved China, and just by a matter of weeks. Once supply flowed, China was saved. Here, I decided to raise the stress level and see what can be done about separating Burma from China.

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 7/22/2021 5:02:19 PM   
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Destroyer Yamakaze damaged Dutch sub KX at Christmas Island IO. Yamakaze is escorting xAKs picking up the naval guard unit that took the island.

I-5 sank AMc Tanjore with a torpedo at Cochin. Cochin is building big. As the Japanese, I've used it as an embarkation point for ground units in India to load to go to Ceylon or elsewhere.

The first counter-offensive for the US? Light cruiser Honolulu showed up at Laysan Island, between Midway and Pearl Harbor. 12 Nells are at Midway, set up for naval attack and 20% search. Some Nells attacked Honolulu but all bombs missed. 8 LB-30s bombed the Japanese unit on Laysan Island. It is the tiny 7th JNAF Coy. It was then bombarded by Honolulu. The unit could easily evaporate just from bombing and bombardment. I moved other Nells to Midway. Now 36 of them there. They may get another chance today.

In China, Japanese bombers did moderate base damage to Kwieyang and Kweilin. No CAP. The huge force of enemy Blens, along with B-25s and B-17s, hit the Japanese paras at Paoshan. Half of the paras are now disabled. They wasn't a ground attack by the 3 enemy Chinese units, but that will be soon. The Chinese unit just west of Paoshan continued on to Paoshan, so no blocking force just to the west any longer. Japanese divisions still have a long walk to Paoshan and won't get there in time to save the paras.

Koepang was captured.

Ground combat at Koepang (68,116)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 5489 troops, 43 guns, 6 vehicles, Assault Value = 134

Defending force 895 troops, 0 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 17

Japanese adjusted assault: 70

Allied adjusted defense: 11

Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Koepang !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
90 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1324 casualties reported
Squads: 38 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 50 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
43rd Naval Guard Unit
42nd Naval Guard Unit
48th Naval Guard Unit
80th JAAF AF Bn

Defending units:
Timor Cdo


The 3 Naval Guard units will start to prepare for Australian bases west of Darwin.




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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 7/23/2021 2:41:25 AM   
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An unescorted cruiser Chokai bombarded Iloilo to help a cleanup attack there, but found 3 PT boats pop up. 2 of the Q boats fired torpedoes but missed at 2000 yards. Chokai sank PT Q-113. I shouldn't have to worry about these boats again. They can hide in nearby unconquered bases, but I doubt that they can get new torpedoes. The attack at Iloilo went at 1 to 1 and reduced the forts to 0. The 61st PA Infantry Division does not have supply. We'll wear them down using just I and III of the 19th Naval Guard Unit.

Sargo hit xAK Shinwa Maru with a torpedo at Christmas Island. It is burning badly and will sink. It was loading men. I'll try to unload some before it sinks. The rest of the task force is loaded and will leave. OPilot is very good at putting subs right on my bases, particularly newly taken bases, where he won't find defenses or mines. I haven't done a good enough job providing ASW forces with these small operations.

36 Zeros from Port Moresby from Portland Roads, finding 16 Kittyhawk IAs at 15000 feet and 4 P-40Es at 25000 feet. The Zeros were at 20000 feet. 8 Zeros were lost, while downing 5 Kittyhawks. Not a good result. Nells later tried to bomb shipping there but ran into a handful of fighters. 10 Nells were shot down. It was noted that the Nells dropped bombs, not torpedoes. They were based at Port Moresby which had 15000 supply, which I'm not sure is relevant. The 21 Air Flotila HQ is at Port Moresby with 100 torpedoes. The Nells had torpedoes selected. And Port Moresby is a size 3 airfield, which again, I'm not sure is relevant. I thought there would be torpedoes but the Nells dropped bombs, which missed an AM and xAP Wahine.

I checked the units for the 1st Tank Division. All units are on the map in the China theater, except for one unit that will appear in Manchuria in 16 days. In the mean time, the other components will gather at Liuchow. They were a bit spread out and will take some time to get there.




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B-17s bombed Port Moresby, running into 16 Zeros. One Fortress was shot down and no base damage was done in thunderstorms.

I-172 missed DM Ramsay at Portland Roads. I can assume there are mines there now.

I-33 sank PG Moresby with a torpedo north of Darwin. Moresby was looking for subs.

Chokai bombarded Iloilo again, running into the 2 remain Q boats. No engagement though. The fight was after the bombardment, and both sides were low on ammo. Anns bombed Philippine troops at Iloilo. Another attack is ordered and the much smaller side won. It isn't often you see 2/3 of a Naval Guard unit defeat a division. Of course, there are good reasons why this occurred.

Ground combat at Iloilo (79,84)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1011 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 31

Defending force 3526 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 96

Japanese adjusted assault: 13

Allied adjusted defense: 4

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Iloilo !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(-), disruption(-), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
87 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
4760 casualties reported
Squads: 164 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 223 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 10 (10 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
I/19th Naval Guard Unit
III/19th Naval Guard Unit

Defending units:
61st PA Infantry Division


xAK Shinwa Maru didn't sink at Christmas Island, and it unloaded some of the troops on it. The ship is now SYS 33(+5)/FLOT 65-45/ENG 20-10/FIRE 16(-26). It has to be close to the tipping point for the fires to get out of control. We'll see. It's alone at Christmas unloading and will disband into port after the troops are off and if it doesn't burn up first.




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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 7/24/2021 3:45:33 AM   
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I had 6 divisions take Liuchow. Of those, 4 divisions are northbound towards Tuyun with support. 2 divisions are resting at Liuchow, having taken the bulk of the disablements from the fight there. Small units are moving towards Kweilin, just to show an advance that direction. Maybe OPilot will leave Kweilin without a fight.

So, 6 divisions in the Liuchow area, and 6 more starting to cross into Henyang. 3 divisions in the far north offensive. Yes, I'm fully committed to China.

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I-18 hit and sank AVD Mackinac near the northern tip of New Zealand. I've seen an AVD come and go from Norfolk Island, probably being used as a faster transport. I know that OPilot is using Waipapakauri as a point of loading for fast transport supply to Norfolk.

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I-20 spotted tanker Petronella in a shallow coastal hex near Rockhampton. AM Kalgoorlie hit the sub with a depth charge. I-20 is ordered to Rabaul for repairs. I now know that OPilot is using coastal movement. And seeing a tanker on the eastern coast of Australia is interesting. It isn't bringing fuel to Australia. There isn't a reason to move fuel up the coast for Australia. The rail lines do that just fine. So why move fuel up the coast? Maybe fuel for Portland Roads, which may or may not draw fuel to it. Or sneak it past Horn Island for Darwin. I think it is for Darwin.

I guessed wrong that the Blens would go to Lashio. They went to the hex just east of Lashio, to hit the Japanese troops there. However, I had fighters intercept there, which I didn't expect. I had Zeros and Nicks at Mandalay set to LRCAP Lashio, which is 3 hexes away, with a max range of 3 hexes set. Blens flew to the hex east of Lashio, which is 4 hexes away. 45 Zeros intercepted and massacred the Blens. Then more Blens along with a dozen B-25Cs hit that hex again, 4 hexes from Mandalay. This time, 20 Zeros and 24 Nicks intercepted, and lots of bombers went down. Interestingly, 13 B-17s then hit Lashio itself, and no fighters intercepted. In the afternoon, P-40Es swept Lashio, and this time the Zeros and Nicks were there, and planes were lost on both sides.

Total air losses were 40 Blens, 11 P-40Es and 4 B-25Cs for the cost of 7 Zeros and 4 Nicks. 5 new Zero aces were created, but one was subsequently shot down and KIA. It did feel good to finally get those Blens. They've been pounding the paras in China and hitting the base at Lashio. It'll take a bit for them to recover.

The big river crossing assault into Hengyang will be today.




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I agree with grabbing Darwin if it can be done early and cheap. If it can't it risks being the largest IJA POW camp. It can get very hard to get large formations out. It is also not a spot that is likely to attract important Allied naval forces which one wants to swat in '42.

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ORIGINAL: pontiouspilot

I agree with grabbing Darwin if it can be done early and cheap. If it can't it risks being the largest IJA POW camp. It can get very hard to get large formations out. It is also not a spot that is likely to attract important Allied naval forces which one wants to swat in '42.


It's not so early any longer, but I think that I need to take Darwin and the northern coast of Australia. It will be difficult with what I have available. I'm considering pulling a division from Burma to help with Darwin. That is risky, though. Burma is the logical place for an early British-US offensive to try to save China. I know. I did it to OPilot in my last game. And he knows it too.

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 7/27/2021 1:31:10 PM   
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Enemy bombers hit Japanese paras at Paoshan. But no Blens to be seen. Paras are half disabled but in supply, with transports dropping supply to them daily. I still expect the paras to be eliminated with the first Chinese deliberate attack there, where there is a corps and 2 divisions.

The river crossing into Hengyang takes place, finding high fort levels, but the Chinese are crushed. The lack of supply is noted.

Ground combat at Hengyang (80,53)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 75855 troops, 576 guns, 171 vehicles, Assault Value = 2442

Defending force 32660 troops, 119 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 894

Japanese adjusted assault: 1900

Allied adjusted defense: 180

Japanese assault odds: 10 to 1 (fort level 4)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Hengyang !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
3646 casualties reported
Squads: 13 destroyed, 350 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 32 disabled
Vehicles lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
15791 casualties reported
Squads: 527 destroyed, 151 disabled
Non Combat: 288 destroyed, 158 disabled
Engineers: 37 destroyed, 11 disabled
Guns lost 48 (21 destroyed, 27 disabled)
Units retreated 6

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
37th Division
69th Division
6th Division
17th Division
12th Tank Regiment
3rd Division
59th Division
11th Army
13th Army
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion

Defending units:
46th Chinese Corps
79th Chinese Corps
5th Chinese Cavalry Corps
3rd War Area
19th Group Army
25th Group Army


The enemy stack retreated northeast, which is where most of the victorious Japanese troops will now go. One Japanese division is about half disabled and will hold Hengyang and recover. OPilot can evacuate Changsha if he leaves soon. He may choose to hold out in the urban terrain. If he stays, I may choose to isolate it, at least for awhile.




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Over 100 Japanese bombers from Canton hit Tuyun's airfield, causing heavy damage. Trying to limit supply available for the enemy stack southwest of Tuyun. Did an artillery attack on the stack, and it has over 1000 AV if it remains supplied. Threatening to flank it, and now the stack shows movement east along the road. When my units get resupplied, they'll attack.

3 Japanese carriers moved to the east of Townsville, getting into a position to strike shipping there if not seen. They were spotted, and the cruiser/destroyer force that was at Townsville has moved up the coast. I order the carriers to move northwest, staying beyond range of the Australian coast. The enemy ships are moving north for a reason. I'll see if they continue, and hope that my ships are not seen. Don't know if the moderate D/L sighting saw my carriers or not.






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22 P-40Es swept Lashio, coming in high. 35 Zeros intercepted, with elite pilots. 14 Zeros were shot down with 11 Warhawks downed. It would be better to have a high/low split with CAP, but fighters in the area are tasked. Need to cover Magwe and Rangoon also. B-17s are always a threat in Burma. They hit Lashio after the fighter sweep today, doing minor damage in severe storms. LT Y. Maki shot down 2 P-40Es, giving him 11 kills for the campaign.

1/3 of the Japanese 21st Infantry Division attacked stragglers in the jungle fleeing north. The 104th and 108th RAF Base Forces took heavy losses and retreated north. I'm forming a bit of a defensive line in the jungle, just north of the clear terrain.

The Japanese bomber force hit enemy troops at Siangtan. Over 100 bombers caused over 700 casualties. They will hit again today to support the ground attack.




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H81s swept over the Japanese advancing into China from Burma. No CAP. B-17s hit the troops, causing over 200 casualties.

SB-IIIs and Blens and Wellingtons and B-25s bombed the Japanese paras at Paoshan, destroying most of the remaining combat squads. Interestingly, only one Chinese division is at Paoshan, the one that has been there all along. The other two divisions that came from Burma must have passed through Paoshan and continued towards Kunming. Regardless, the paras were eliminated. Besides the 22nd New Chinese Division there, also there was the NCAC and the 102nd RAF Base Force.

A-29s joined the SB-IIIs bombing the Japanese in the far north at Ningsia. I'm now seeing a big enough Chinese force east of Lanchow to question my plans. I'm going to get bombed every day, unless Chinese supply runs out. Ningsia is just a dot base. My new plan is to fake an advance across the river into a Chinese stack, but keep the 3 divisions at Ningsia, and their engineers working on the airfield. I'll reconsider the advance to Lanchow when I have an airfield built. Truth is that the mission is already accomplished here. Sizable enemy forces moved into the far north, far from the priority attacks near Changsha and towards Tuyun.

All but one of the Chinese corps moved out of Siangtan. It was mauled.

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 51652 troops, 408 guns, 135 vehicles, Assault Value = 1607

Defending force 16493 troops, 78 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 360

Japanese adjusted assault: 1269

Allied adjusted defense: 169

Japanese assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 3)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Siangtan !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
981 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 80 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled

Allied ground losses:
6820 casualties reported
Squads: 65 destroyed, 96 disabled
Non Combat: 188 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 25 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 21 (11 destroyed, 10 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
17th Division
6th Division
3rd Division
12th Tank Regiment
59th Division
11th Army
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion

Defending units:
18th Chinese Corps


I still see movement out of Changsha to the northwest, and other units south and east of Changsha show movement to Changsha. Looks like a general retreat but we'll wait and see what actually leaves. The obvious move for me is to now move my stack at Siangtan into the woods northwest of Changsha, cutting off all of the enemy at and near Changsha. I expect OPilot to move most of his Changsha units to this hex and try to hold it long enough for everything to escape. I'm not sure that my stack would win the fight there at this time, and with no road to it, movement would be slow. OPilot would get whatever he wants to that hex before me. So, I'm faking movement to that hex with a unit, and moving the stack northwest to clear the next base out. From there, I could continue north or come back to deal with Changsha. I think I'd rather see OPilot evacuate Changsha on his own instead of me having to dig out or isolate a big enemy stack in urban terrain at Changsha. So I'm giving him a path out while showing an attempt to close it off.

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H-81s swept Lashio. No CAP. B-17s bombed the airfield, doing minor damage.

Bettys bombed Tsuyung, in the mountains between Paoshan and Kunming. Moderate base damage done. No CAP. CAP at the other bases though. Figured this one would be unprotected. Damage here limits supply for the Chinese in the area.

SB-IIIs continued to bomb Japanese troops at Ningsia. Over 100 casualties at the dot base. I do have an anti-aircraft unit there, but it is a small unit with small guns, and is not effective. A bigger unit is on the way from the east, but it has a long trail to travel. Troops are building the airfield at Ningsia. I'll be able to fly in some needed troops later.

Blens, although only 15 of them, hit a Thai division near Katha in the jungle.

Glen spotted tankers west of Perth. 3 subs will blockade the western approaches. Heavy SigInt at Perth. I need to find out if anything big is brewing there.




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Japanese bomber force in China hit the enemy stack southwest of Tuyun, causing about 150 casualties. Not clear terrain.

xAKs spotted at Perth but no TKs seen. My subs didn't get a shot at anything.




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27 Zeros from Port Moresby swept Horn Island, finding 24 P-40Es. Fairly even battle with the enemy being worn down quite a bit. 13 P-40Es shot down at the cost of losing 10 Zeros. 7 Vals with 27 Zeros launched from the small carrier task force to the northwest of Horn Island, finding 4 Warhawks still on CAP. The P-40Es, however didn't get to the strike. The handful of Vals put 2 bombs into xAKL Sjobris and 3 bombs into xAKL Hetton Bank, sinking both ships. There were at least a few other ships there, possibly escorts, that could have been attacked if more bombers would have flown.

Now that I've sent the turn, I realized that I may not have moved my carrier task force back to the northwest.

[EDIT: After further thought, I do think that I moved the force northwest.]

An already defeated BFF Brigade was defeated again at Bhamo in Burma and pushed north. The 4th RTA Division attacked with the 18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment.




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The first US counter-invasion was today. It's just the beginning of what is to come, and it won't be pretty.

Mississippi, New Mexico and Oklahoma bombarded Laysan Island, southeast of Midway. Just the 7th JNAF Coy is defending, and it was pummeled. The few float planes had already left and were just picked up by an AV at Midway. Laysan Island was then invaded and captured by a US combat engineer unit.

In the morning and in the afternoon, 6 Nells from Midway attacked the battleships. 16 F4F-3 Wildcats were protecting, but in both phases, the fighters didn't get to the bombers. One bomb hit New Mexico but did not penetrate, of course. No torpedoes available at Midway.

The Japanese bomber force in China hit Chinese troops in the clear near Shaoyang. Over 500 casualties.

Chinese SB-IIIs hit Japanese divisions at Ningsia daily. The airbase is slowly being built.

Bettys bombed the airfield at Kweiyang, but found 24 Warhawks defending. But the P-40s didn't get to the bombers. Very minor base damage done in severe storms.

After a long recovery period, 2 naval guard units attacked at Kokoda, trying to eliminate the holdouts in the mountains. Bombers have been supporting.

Ground combat at Kokoda (98,129)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3616 troops, 24 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 118

Defending force 2545 troops, 20 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 51

Japanese adjusted assault: 47

Allied adjusted defense: 34

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-), morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
165 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
45 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
41st Naval Guard Unit
67th Naval Guard Unit

Defending units:
2/4th Ind Coy
30th Australian Brigade
Moresby RAN Stn Base Force


Not a great ratio for casualties but the units are in decent shape and will go again. Transports are dropping supply, and Zeros from Port Moresby are set to LRCAP Kokoda to prevent the enemy from doing the same.




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