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Two things - 11/21/2020 10:01:41 PM   
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There are two things that may be can be improved.

French escorts going to UK:
It is possible to concentrate all French PP points to produce Escorts starting 1939. All these ships will stay on Allies side even after the fall of France. As such, Allies may gain convoy protection at the cost of France but France will fall anyway.

Red air force training against Finland:
Red air force gains experience each turn by bombarding Finland units. With the cost of air superiority units, I did not find yet a solution against that. I am lacking air units but my build order is surely awful.

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RE: Two things - 11/22/2020 5:31:02 PM   
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I only know the answer to your 2nd question.

Bombing units can always add to experience as with all combats.That's the only reason for doing this because I haven't hurt a single Finn yet. The counter is to have interceptors or escort fighters in range: as you now have at least for my original target. Also, the tactic is not very viable if the enemy unit has AA guns.

If you think this is bad or cheesy, pity my opponent who did not DOW Russia even in '42, (although he won't do that again). After a bit, I DOW'd Hungary built lots of bombers and dropped a million tons of bombs on 1 hex for about a year. I had some losses from the Hungarian a/f and ??? a very few from ground fire but he lost more a/c than I did until the Hungarian a/f stopped getting reinforced. Not a single Hungarian infantryman was harmed by the most intense bombing campaign of any game ever, let alone in real life. But I did get the national a/f exp level up to 50% and most of my bombers 50+%

I am reduced to such pathetic means to get air force experience because the red airforce is so merd# until '43

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RE: Two things - 11/22/2020 5:54:21 PM   
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quote:

If you think this is bad or cheesy


No, in fact, I have realized after posting that this is in the rules. In fact, I must blame myself for not protecting enough the Finns from Red air force. And I agree, the Red air force is "merd#" .

I lost a game against Malkarma for investing too much in it...

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RE: Two things - 11/22/2020 5:58:37 PM   
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I am also struggling what to do with the Red Air Force it is really truly awful . For the moment the general idea is not to use them and possbily bomb the Finns if allowed and then try to use them later in the war.

Any tips appreciated!

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RE: Two things - 11/22/2020 6:11:47 PM   
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I have tried to invest in few Air Superiority Group, Ground Attack group and Tactical Air group before Barbarossa. Supporting the early invasion was like The Great Marianas Turkey Shoot.

Then, spending plenty of PP to repair them for 1942, I lost the game because of a lack of land units.

My tip, disband them to get PP. That is what I will try next time.



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RE: Two things - 11/22/2020 7:35:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ncc1701e

I have tried to invest in few Air Superiority Group, Ground Attack group and Tactical Air group before Barbarossa. Supporting the early invasion was like The Great Marianas Turkey Shoot.

Then, spending plenty of PP to repair them for 1942, I lost the game because of a lack of land units.

My tip, disband them to get PP. That is what I will try next time.




Convert the entire Red Air Force to infantry. Going into battle give alternate soldiers a rifle and each soldier a magazine of ammo. Instruct the man with no rifle to pick up the rifle when his wingman falls. Place MP's behind the front to shoot those slow to advance or who attempt retreat.

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RE: Two things - 11/22/2020 10:26:53 PM   
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Good idea

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RE: Two things - 11/23/2020 12:01:11 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ncc1701e

I have tried to invest in few Air Superiority Group, Ground Attack group and Tactical Air group before Barbarossa. Supporting the early invasion was like The Great Marianas Turkey Shoot.

Then, spending plenty of PP to repair them for 1942, I lost the game because of a lack of land units.

My tip, disband them to get PP. That is what I will try next time.


Every game is different, but I have had some success doing this:

1. I don't "invest" in any new Russian air units prior to Barbarossa if by that you mean purchasing new ones. But I don't destroy any either and I do max out my research in air superiority and close air support (or whatever that tech is called).

2. I generally also set my air units so that they will not upgrade or take reinforcements prior to Barbarossa. But there are exceptions to this.

3. Once Barbarossa starts I bomb the Finns with everything I've got. This isn't just to gain experience for my air units, but also to stop the Finns from severing the Murmansk railroad. But again I keep them set to not upgrade or take reinforcements.

4. In emergency situations I will use them against the Germans, especially if I can bomb units where there may not be enemy fighter cover.

5. Depending on how well or bad things are going, I will set them to start upgrading and taking replacements in September 41 or so.

6. Hopefully by January 42 they will be teched up to 42 tech, have 40% experience and 100% effectiveness. The net effect is that they will be at 40%. Also hopefully by this time the German air units will be at 60% experience and 70% effectiveness (due to snow and blizzards) so that overall they are also at about 40%. So now I can use the Russian airforce in battle at something closely equal to the Germans. Of course, I can't use them in Blizzard.

7. What I do in summer 42 depends on the game situation. If the Axis are still on the general offensive I again move my Russian airforce to a section of the Front where they can get target practice and turn off upgrades and replacements. I then return them to the battle in January 43.

Of course, this "plan" has to be adapted an awful lot depending upon on what my Axis opponent is doing.

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RE: Two things - 11/23/2020 12:23:49 PM   
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My approach is similar tho' I don't see how bombing the Finns can make any difference to what they do.In '41 or early '42 I would only spend money on the a/f is Barbarossa has been pretty feeble. I prefer to buy inf armies, disbanding some rubbish inf or cav xxx if there are any left and manpower is an issue. But as you say, it's a timing issue more than anything else.

There are 2 downsides to scrapping the red airforce. You free up all the axis fighters to go elsewhere, and you make enemy paradrops too easy whilst preventing any of your own, because you can't soak off the enemy fighters with bombing raids.

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RE: Two things - 11/23/2020 4:19:40 PM   
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My approach is similar tho' I don't see how bombing the Finns can make any difference to what they do.


The major problem for the Finns in cutting the Murmansk railway is that they will be at the limit of their supply. The Russian air force may not be able to destroy Finnish strength points. But they can reduce Finnish effectiveness by more than the Finns supply can replenish it (unless the Axis use supply trucks on the Finns). The end result is that after several turns of bombing the Finns will be at much reduced effectiveness.

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RE: Two things - 11/25/2020 8:51:46 AM   
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I'm sure you are right. I've just never had an opponent trying to do that with the Finns so Finnish effectiveness levels have only mattered when they have tried to go round the back side of L'grad

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