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Vichy France Also Movement of French Capital - 11/10/2020 3:03:12 AM   
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From what I can see in the manual, Vichy France is created when France surrenders. From that point on, do the Germans and or Italians get any of the resources located in Vichy? If not, shouldn't there be an option for not creating Vichy?

In the PBEM game I am playing, the French capital was moved to a hex on the coast by Brest after Paris was taken which doesn't make sense to me. Shouldn't it be Algiers or maybe a major city in the south of France?
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RE: Vichy France Also Movement of French Capital - 11/10/2020 1:37:23 PM   
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Hi,

There is no option to not create Vichy because that is the actual default situation if I may say. If you do nothing as the Germans, you can simply go and take all of France eventually; so no Vichy. The "option" is to create Vichy if you want that as the German. Once the French morale reaches the threshold, France will offer Germany a cease-fire (Which means Vichy) the next turn.

Once Vichy is created, it becomes three different countries you can latter invade if you want the ressources etc.

Not sure how the moving of capitals works. Historically, during the battle of France the government moved to Bordeau just before the fall of Paris. And then to Vichy of course after the armistice.

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RE: Vichy France Also Movement of French Capital - 11/10/2020 3:21:39 PM   
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Don't accept the negotiated surrender. Take all the mainland production and morale centers then they surrender unconditionally on the mainland.

I haven't done that in so long I don't remember what happens with the colonies. I think they go German. But if an Allied unit is in the hexes those stay Allied.

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RE: Vichy France Also Movement of French Capital - 11/11/2020 3:08:01 PM   
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It would be interesting to test this to see how it differences from letting France go Vichy then invading it.

Invading Vichy France has the bad side effect of giving the British 1 BB, 2 CA's, and 2 DD's. Something they desperately need to counter German and Italian surface fleets.

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RE: Vichy France Also Movement of French Capital - 11/11/2020 6:01:23 PM   
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If you conquer France, all the French navy remains under allied control.


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RE: Vichy France Also Movement of French Capital - 11/11/2020 6:03:22 PM   
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In my game vs Malkarma in the AAR section the Germans conquered France with no Vichy. French colonies go German and the UK gets the whole French fleet as compensation if I recall correctly .

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RE: Vichy France Also Movement of French Capital - 11/11/2020 9:06:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MagicMissile

In my game vs Malkarma in the AAR section the Germans conquered France with no Vichy. French colonies go German and the UK gets the whole French fleet as compensation if I recall correctly .

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That is correct and justly so.

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RE: Vichy France Also Movement of French Capital - 11/12/2020 12:42:10 AM   
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And that is the reason why I will never do a full conquer of France as long as all of the fleet will end in british hands. I prefer to spent 150-300 PP to conquer NA than giving over 2000 PP in ships to the UK (ships that would need over 2 years to be built due shipyards limit).
Under the current situation there is no real incentive in make a full conquer...unless you want to break my sinking record.

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RE: Vichy France Also Movement of French Capital - 11/12/2020 1:39:39 PM   
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And that's why Germany agreed to Vichy.

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RE: Vichy France Also Movement of French Capital - 11/12/2020 3:13:46 PM   
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And I agree with this desing decission, it sounds realistic to me. I did a full conquer of France because I didn't realized the full consecuences. Should I had gone for Vichi instead, now my game against Magicmissile would be far more easy due the absence of Royal Navy.

ps. Sometimes lessons are learned in the hard way

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RE: Vichy France Also Movement of French Capital - 11/15/2020 7:51:45 PM   
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Actually I think the French shouldn't surrender at all if Germany doesn't agree to Vichy. There's no reason to, they would just continue to fight from their colonies like the Belgians and Dutch did (whose surrender in game is justified because their colonies are off map). Therefore French surrender is still ahistorically attractive to the Axis.

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