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HQ RANGE - 10/5/2020 3:04:25 PM   
lion_of_judah


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have a question. The HQ range, what is it far and what is the realistic range to set for HQ's. I have looked in the manual, and I have not found anything that explains it well. Thanks
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RE: HQ RANGE - 10/5/2020 3:56:15 PM   
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The range is range of artillery fire (1 hex, 2 hex, etc.)and for defensive fire it must be in non-mobile status (Tactical reserve, dug in, etc.) supports on defense. Also in tactical mode will support offense at 1/2 strength or you can set for attack at range for full strenght artillery. Also, some units in the HQ might have varying range .... e.g. one artillery type unit in the HQ chit might have range of 3, while another only range of 2. So if set back 3 hex, only the 3 hex long piece will have range, the only 2 hex piece will not support full range 3. I hope that make senese. Sill show picture. Also, unit adjacent to HQ will sometomes get supply bonus.

In below pic, the Teddy Bear HQ has two types arty pieces: one type is only 2 hex range. Other is full 3 hex range. At three hexes bace, wiil only have benefit of bigger 3 hex piece. At 2 hexe, benefit of both arthy pices. Sorry can't type good right now.
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RE: HQ RANGE - 10/5/2020 6:12:54 PM   
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I hate to seem picky and politically correct about this, but did you really have to use the example of the SS Totenkopf Division HQ when replying to somebody who uses the name lion_of-judah and flies an Israeli Flag as a avatar?

The "Death's Head Division" was formed around Kamphgruppe Ellcke and most of its personnel had been transferred to the Waffen SS from Concentration Camp guard units which had been know collectively as SS Totenkopfveränder. Others were former members of of Selbstschutz, ethnic Germans militias notorious for war crimes committed in Poland. And while we're at it let's not forget the "unpleasantness" at Le Paradis in 1940.

Its pretty hard to think of a more crass and unsavoury unit as an example, even within the entire order of battle of Wehrmacht and Waffen SS in WWII, to illustrate your point.

I'm sure it was an innocent error, and you did answer the question and illustrate the point quite correctly . If the manual wasn't so bad the issue would never had arisen - but I'm already on the naughty step for daring to have an opinion about that... but next time.... please think.

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RE: HQ RANGE - 10/5/2020 7:13:46 PM   
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No, you do want to be picky and politically correct.

I doubt he even looked at the name before responding. I didn't until I read original post. He probably grabbed the easiest one he could find.

Do you play any of the WWII scenarios ever as the Germans? Do you ever play the Arabs in Arab-Israeli War scenarios? Why would you ever do that, if it offends you so? Come on. Grow up.

I play Germans, Russians, Confederates. Does that make me a NAZI, communist, black hating racist pig? No, it makes me a fan of history and willing to play either side so that my opponent and I can both enjoy the game.


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RE: HQ RANGE - 10/5/2020 7:25:29 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rescue193

I hate to seem picky and politically correct about this, but did you really have to use the example of the SS Totenkopf Division HQ when replying to somebody who uses the name lion_of-judah and flies an Israeli Flag as a avatar?

The "Death's Head Division" was formed around Kamphgruppe Ellcke and most of its personnel had been transferred to the Waffen SS from Concentration Camp guard units which had been know collectively as SS Totenkopfveränder. Others were former members of of Selbstschutz, ethnic Germans militias notorious for war crimes committed in Poland. And while we're at it let's not forget the "unpleasantness" at Le Paradis in 1940.

Its pretty hard to think of a more crass and unsavoury unit as an example, even within the entire order of battle of Wehrmacht and Waffen SS in WWII, to illustrate your point.

I'm sure it was an innocent error, and you did answer the question and illustrate the point quite correctly . If the manual wasn't so bad the issue would never had arisen - but I'm already on the naughty step for daring to have an opinion about that... but next time.... please think.

Regards,

R193







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RE: HQ RANGE - 10/5/2020 8:14:31 PM   
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Sorry, I just picked what popped up on my screen. Was in Demyansk Pocket in FitE2 at the time. I didn't even think about it. In my world, there are no politics. If I HAD been thinking of that, I could have picked a much more distasteful unit for you to peruse.

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RE: HQ RANGE - 10/5/2020 9:53:02 PM   
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I'm sure you could have picked a more distasteful example, but then so could have I, perhaps a Serb HQ (they had, relatively speaking, lots of artillery) in Bosnia or Croatia?

I don't write off the gulags, the Soviet pogroms, or any other outrage against common humanity, wherever, when ever, or for whatever, spurious, reason or justification was, or is, sought for it.

Many would argue, quite justifiably, that British, and specifically the English, were responsible for the Afro-Caribbean-American slave trade trade and one could not argue the point. But, at the same time, it can hardly be denied the it was the Royal Navy that largely brought and end to that trade across the Atlantic and elsewhere. But I wouldn't use the latter case to justify the former.

I envy the fact that you live in a world with out politics, I'd like to share that utopian vision with you. But even Thomas Moore wasn’t above torture when it served his political purpose. But, clearly, I think we can agree, we both live in a world with history and history cannot be divorced from politics.

The fact that you were in the "Demyansk pocket" when you wrote as you did rather proves my point. After all, you would't have been there were it not for political philosophies and ideologies that put you there. I'm sure you would have written differently if, when you wrote, you had happened to be with 1 US Inf Div at Flossenbürg, 2 US Inf Div at Leipzig-Schönefeld, 4 US & 42 Inf Divs at Dachau and so on.

If remarks offend you, then I apologise. If they gave you pause for thought then, maybe, they served some small purpose.

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RE: HQ RANGE - 10/5/2020 10:49:14 PM   
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Ho hum!

For you Mark Breed and for you Lobster, I've never fought an Arab-Israeli action (only because the period doesn't interest me) but, yeah, of course I fight the German side and yes I want to win when I do. If that makes me a hypocrite, then fine, I'm a hypocrite, roll the drums and fly the flags.

But, I’m not so hypocritical, nor so naive, as to think that simply because I play GAMES where I PRETEND to be a German general that I believe what they (may have) believed, or thought what they (may have) thought. I’ve read the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf but I’m not a Communist nor a Nazi. I read the Daily Telegraph and the Guardian but I’m neither a Tory or a Socialist.

I don’t assume that either of you are, to quote Mr Breed, NAZI (sic), communist, black hating racist pigs. Moreover, I have absolutely no doubt that you are both students of military history and that you play TOAW for the the challenge and enjoyment of playing the game. I also take it as a sine qua non that you would not deliberately, or through unthinking happenstance, seek to cause offence and neither do I.

If my sin (if sin it be) is commenting on an unthinking and unintended example of an ill-framed response to a query on the site then I’m guilty. But I don’t accept the judgement of your kangaroo court and I care not a jot for its verdict. You make assumptions from which you distill wood-alcohol facts.

Get drunk on them gentlemen, you’re in no danger of losing any brain cells as a result.

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RE: HQ RANGE - 10/6/2020 12:37:59 AM   
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I am baffled. If the example given was of a USSR HQ would that label the poster as a communist? If the given example was of a US Civil War Confederate HQ would that label the poster as a racist? If the example given was a USMC HQ would that make the poster a Capitalist?

I don’t get it. It was an example, now it seems any example given would mark the poster as some kind of social or political jibe.

I just don't get it, it’s a war game. Has the social engineering gone so far into whackeyness that we must now only use Red vs. Blue?

I refuse to ever look again at my old tatted copy of Tactics II or my pink Axis and baby blue DDay counters from 1964...

Baffled am I.

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RE: HQ RANGE - 10/6/2020 1:47:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rescue193

Ho hum!

For you Mark Breed and for you Lobster, I've never fought an Arab-Israeli action (only because the period doesn't interest me) but, yeah, of course I fight the German side and yes I want to win when I do. If that makes me a hypocrite, then fine, I'm a hypocrite, roll the drums and fly the flags.

But, I’m not so hypocritical, nor so naive, as to think that simply because I play GAMES where I PRETEND to be a German general that I believe what they (may have) believed, or thought what they (may have) thought. I’ve read the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf but I’m not a Communist nor a Nazi. I read the Daily Telegraph and the Guardian but I’m neither a Tory or a Socialist.

I don’t assume that either of you are, to quote Mr Breed, NAZI (sic), communist, black hating racist pigs. Moreover, I have absolutely no doubt that you are both students of military history and that you play TOAW for the the challenge and enjoyment of playing the game. I also take it as a sine qua non that you would not deliberately, or through unthinking happenstance, seek to cause offence and neither do I.

If my sin (if sin it be) is commenting on an unthinking and unintended example of an ill-framed response to a query on the site then I’m guilty. But I don’t accept the judgement of your kangaroo court and I care not a jot for its verdict. You make assumptions from which you distill wood-alcohol facts.

Get drunk on them gentlemen, you’re in no danger of losing any brain cells as a result.


Somebody overdosed on the crazy drugs.

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RE: HQ RANGE - 10/6/2020 4:59:41 PM   
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BTW, if y'all want to talk about the many ways to cook and eat lobsters I'm ok with it.

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RE: HQ RANGE - 10/7/2020 3:19:41 AM   
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Hellen_slith sincerely help out by simply using an example.
Hellen_slith almost the 1st one to help out, I believe...
But then innocently got tagged
Why is that?

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RE: HQ RANGE - 10/9/2020 7:39:15 AM   
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Dont feed the troll. Be they left or right ... or up or down.

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RE: HQ RANGE - 10/9/2020 5:04:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FaneFlugt

Dont feed the troll.


Why not. Its just a personal oppinion. You most probably don't agree. That's perfectly OK. But that's doesn't make him a troll.


quote:

ORIGINAL: FaneFlugt

Be they left or right ... or up or down.


Exactly.








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