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Allied supply through Russia - 9/14/2020 7:51:01 PM   
jesperpehrson


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CW controls all of Iraq and Persia.
CW has a convoyroute from Liverpool to Archangelsk. Archangelsk is controlled by the USSR and has a railline to the Caucasus.
It is raining in the Arctic.
CW has a HQ in Baghdad.
Germany and USSR are at war.
There are no allied convoys in the Arabian Sea.

Should the CW HQ be in supply?
The game shows it as out of supply and I cannot understand why.
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RE: Allied supply through Russia - 9/14/2020 10:15:28 PM   
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There is a known bug that limits how long the rail portion of a supply line can be. However, I would have thought that Archangel to Baghdad is less than that limit. However, it may be that you ran into this limit.

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RE: Allied supply through Russia - 9/15/2020 3:38:54 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jesperpehrson

CW controls all of Iraq and Persia.
CW has a convoyroute from Liverpool to Archangelsk. Archangelsk is controlled by the USSR and has a railline to the Caucasus.
It is raining in the Arctic.
CW has a HQ in Baghdad.
Germany and USSR are at war.
There are no allied convoys in the Arabian Sea.

Should the CW HQ be in supply?
The game shows it as out of supply and I cannot understand why.

A saved game would let us understand things much better.

Just an idea, are the rail lines in Persia and Iraq free of enemy ZOCs (including partisans)?

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RE: Allied supply through Russia - 9/15/2020 4:03:26 PM   
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It is the same save as the bugged russian HQ.
All rail-lines are open.

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RE: Allied supply through Russia - 9/16/2020 9:30:37 PM   
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After looking at the save it looks to me that the HQI in Iraq should be in supply through the link you described. And that Teheran should be a secondary supply source for the SA TERR in the city (as CW has conquered Persia).

However, there is a limit in MWIF on how long a rail supply link can be. I think it used to be 30 hexes, where each sea area counted as a hex. And this route is way longer than that. I am sure someone can enlighten us on what the current limit are.

Anyway. I do not think it is a bug. I think it is the MWIF supply limit that you have reached and passed.

< Message edited by Orm -- 9/16/2020 9:31:23 PM >


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RE: Allied supply through Russia - 9/16/2020 10:52:36 PM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm

After looking at the save it looks to me that the HQI in Iraq should be in supply through the link you described. And that Teheran should be a secondary supply source for the SA TERR in the city (as CW has conquered Persia).

However, there is a limit in MWIF on how long a rail supply link can be. I think it used to be 30 hexes, where each sea area counted as a hex. And this route is way longer than that. I am sure someone can enlighten us on what the current limit are.

Anyway. I do not think it is a bug. I think it is the MWIF supply limit that you have reached and passed.

Here's the code:

// ****************************************************************************
// Limit the length of the overland search for a railway path from a secondary
// supply source or port to a primary supply source in mainland Europe and Asia.
// MaximumMaxOverlandSearch is permitted for the major powers that have
// permanent primary supply in mainland Europe or Asia. France and the
// Commonwealth are unlikely to be successful tracing supply through the width
// of the USSR to a primary supply source, so for them the search distance is
// reduced.
// ****************************************************************************
case MPI of
mcGermany, mcItaly, mcUSSR:
begin
Result := CountryLoc.Asia or
CountryLoc.Europe or
(not MajPow.PriSupHQsTurn.Empty) or
(not MajPow.PriSupAlignHQsTurn.Empty);
end;
// ****************************************************************************
// Only the Japanese home islands have permanent primary supply.
// ****************************************************************************
mcJapan:
begin
MaxOverlandSearch := 60;
Result := (CountryLoc.ID = Japan.ID) or
(not MajPow.PriSupHQsTurn.Empty) or
(not MajPow.PriSupAlignHQsTurn.Empty);
end;

mcVichyFrance:
begin
MaxOverlandSearch := 40;
Result := CountryLoc.Asia or
CountryLoc.Europe or
(not MajPow.PriSupHQsTurn.Empty) or
(not MajPow.PriSupAlignHQsTurn.Empty);
end;

mcChina:
begin
MaxOverlandSearch := 80;
Result := CountryLoc.Asia or
(not MajPow.PriSupHQsTurn.Empty) or
(not MajPow.PriSupAlignHQsTurn.Empty);
end;
// ****************************************************************************
// The Commonwealth has primary supply sources on all 5 SearchMaps.
// ****************************************************************************
mcCommonwealth:
begin
if CountryLoc.ID in [Iraq.ID, Persia.ID] then MaxOverlandSearch := 20
else MaxOverlandSearch := 40;

Result := True;
end;

mcFrance:
begin
MaxOverlandSearch := 40;

if VichyFrance.LegalMajorCountry and (France.NewHomeCountry <> nil) then
Result := (CountryLoc.America and // France has a new home country.
France.NewHomeCountry.America) or

(CountryLoc.Pacific and
France.NewHomeCountry.Pacific) or

((CountryLoc.Europe or
CountryLoc.Asia or
CountryLoc.Africa) and
(France.NewHomeCountry.Europe or
France.NewHomeCountry.Asia or
France.NewHomeCountry.Africa)) or

(not MajPow.PriSupHQsTurn.Empty) or
(not MajPow.PriSupAlignHQsTurn.Empty)
else
Result := CountryLoc.Asia or
CountryLoc.Europe or
(not MajPow.PriSupHQsTurn.Empty) or
(not MajPow.PriSupAlignHQsTurn.Empty);
end;
// ****************************************************************************
// Only the United States and Northern Ireland have permanent primary supply.
// ****************************************************************************
mcUnitedStates:
begin
MaxOverlandSearch := 60;
Result := CountryLoc.America or
(CountryLoc.ID = NorthernIreland.ID) or
(not MajPow.PriSupHQsTurn.Empty) or
(not MajPow.PriSupAlignHQsTurn.Empty);
end;
end; // End of case statement.



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RE: Allied supply through Russia - 9/17/2020 2:52:11 AM   
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" France and the Commonwealth are unlikely to be successful tracing supply through the width of the USSR to a primary supply source, so for them the search distance is reduced. "

Maybe change that 40 to the minimum number of RR hexes from the one west of Bushewer to Archangel?

< Message edited by paulderynck -- 9/17/2020 2:54:19 AM >


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RE: Allied supply through Russia - 9/17/2020 10:56:23 PM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

" France and the Commonwealth are unlikely to be successful tracing supply through the width of the USSR to a primary supply source, so for them the search distance is reduced. "

Maybe change that 40 to the minimum number of RR hexes from the one west of Bushewer to Archangel?

I changed the 20 to 60 in the above code. The default maximum search distance is 400. The code in my previous post changes that in some circumstances.

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RE: Allied supply through Russia - 9/19/2020 11:04:31 AM   
Orm


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Shouldn't all the Western Allied MPs have the same supply limits? It feels weird to me that a French HQI could be in supply in a situation where a CW HQI is OOS and so on. Or having to send a US HQ to bring supply to an area where a CW HQ can not.

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