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Romanian surrender Treaty of Bucharest events - 9/8/2020 2:03:52 PM   
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A few comments on this:

1) The "Bulgaria gains Southern Dobruja" event shouldn't fire if Bulgaria is occupied by the Entente.

2) Historically the Treaty of Bucharest was only signed after Bucharest itself was occupied AND the Russians had signed the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. However, the Treaty of Bucharest event appears to fire automatically as a result of the firing of the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk event. This means (as in my present AAR) that Romania surrenders when it is still very much a going concern. Suggestions:

- If Romania is still fighting, Romania should be assigned from Russia to another major (e.g, Serbia, France).
- Romania should be a major (less preferable)

3) When the Treaty of Bucharest fires, Romania keeps (AFAIK) all its territory. This is not historical - historically the Central Powers occupied all of grey, blue (dark and light), and green territory in the below map.

PS - The Central Powers considered ceding Transylvania to Romania in order to buy them off, so possibly also worth considering having an event similar to the ones where the CP player can choose to cede Trento and Trieste? except in this case, it would swing Romania potentially into declaring war on the Entente in order to get back Bessarabia?




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RE: Romanian surrender Treaty of Bucharest events - 9/9/2020 3:58:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FOARP



PS - The Central Powers considered ceding Transylvania to Romania in order to buy them off, so possibly also worth considering having an event similar to the ones where the CP player can choose to cede Trento and Trieste? except in this case, it would swing Romania potentially into declaring war on the Entente in order to get back Bessarabia?

This is an interesting possibility, but the Hungarian component of the Dual Monarchy might not be too enthusiastic about the prospect of those Magyar communities that have been there for generations suddenly living under Romanian jurisdiction. Some national morale hits will be necessary



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RE: Romanian surrender Treaty of Bucharest events - 9/9/2020 7:27:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OldCrowBalthazor

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ORIGINAL: FOARP



PS - The Central Powers considered ceding Transylvania to Romania in order to buy them off, so possibly also worth considering having an event similar to the ones where the CP player can choose to cede Trento and Trieste? except in this case, it would swing Romania potentially into declaring war on the Entente in order to get back Bessarabia?

This is an interesting possibility, but the Hungarian component of the Dual Monarchy might not be too enthusiastic about the prospect of those Magyar communities that have been there for generations suddenly living under Romanian jurisdiction. Some national morale hits will be necessary




Indeed, so this should be basically exchanging a ~50% swing in Romanian war-entry towards the Central Powers for a ~20% morale hit for Austria-Hungary. Is getting 3-4 corps plus detachments really worth that much to the CP player?

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RE: Romanian surrender Treaty of Bucharest events - 9/9/2020 9:01:32 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FOARP

A few comments on this:

1) The "Bulgaria gains Southern Dobruja" event shouldn't fire if Bulgaria is occupied by the Entente.

2) Historically the Treaty of Bucharest was only signed after Bucharest itself was occupied AND the Russians had signed the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. However, the Treaty of Bucharest event appears to fire automatically as a result of the firing of the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk event. This means (as in my present AAR) that Romania surrenders when it is still very much a going concern. Suggestions:

- If Romania is still fighting, Romania should be assigned from Russia to another major (e.g, Serbia, France).
- Romania should be a major (less preferable)

3) When the Treaty of Bucharest fires, Romania keeps (AFAIK) all its territory. This is not historical - historically the Central Powers occupied all of grey, blue (dark and light), and green territory in the below map.


Interesting post and it's given me a few things to think about.

I must admit that point 3) has confused me a little as point 1) is an example of territory that Romania loses as a result of the treaty, and only as a result of the treaty being signed.

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RE: Romanian surrender Treaty of Bucharest events - 9/9/2020 1:07:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BillRunacre


quote:

ORIGINAL: FOARP

A few comments on this:

1) The "Bulgaria gains Southern Dobruja" event shouldn't fire if Bulgaria is occupied by the Entente.

2) Historically the Treaty of Bucharest was only signed after Bucharest itself was occupied AND the Russians had signed the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. However, the Treaty of Bucharest event appears to fire automatically as a result of the firing of the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk event. This means (as in my present AAR) that Romania surrenders when it is still very much a going concern. Suggestions:

- If Romania is still fighting, Romania should be assigned from Russia to another major (e.g, Serbia, France).
- Romania should be a major (less preferable)

3) When the Treaty of Bucharest fires, Romania keeps (AFAIK) all its territory. This is not historical - historically the Central Powers occupied all of grey, blue (dark and light), and green territory in the below map.


Interesting post and it's given me a few things to think about.

I must admit that point 3) has confused me a little as point 1) is an example of territory that Romania loses as a result of the treaty, and only as a result of the treaty being signed.

Bill


Apologies, to clarify: point 3) is except for the territory discussed in point 1).

Either the large parts of the Romania that were conceded under the Treaty of Bucharest historically should be conceded or the territory conceded should be conceded dynamically in some way. As-is Southern Dobruja seems to be the only territory that Romania actually concedes to the CP if the Treaty of Bucharest event fires, and if Bulgaria is occupied by the Entente when the event fires then this territory actually goes to the Entente.

In my present AAR, Romania signing the Treaty of Bucharest resulted in the Central Powers being blocked from invading into Serbia and Entente-occupied Bulgaria through Romania, and actually worked out to Serbia's advantage, which seems a bit odd.


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