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Escort (SEAD) A/C vs SHORAD - 9/2/2020 3:35:10 AM   
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I did some test to see how the escort A/C will react to SHORAD threat. The purpose is to check if the AI can automatically carry out SEAD/strike mission against non-emission threats in escort role. I have some finding through a dozen test. So while I got to admit that my observations could be unobjective, I hope they can help other players’ gameplay and scenario designers.

There are four scenarios in the attachment

First one is a hypothetical war between NATO and Russia over Ukraine. NATO (USAF) F-16 bomb a Russian pontoon bridge on Dnieper river. A 4 ship strike package carries LGB , other 12 F-16 with different smart weapons assign to escort mission. The pontoon bridge is protected by Tunguska, SA-13, SA-16 SPSAM and one unit of AAA
Second one: This time everyone carries dumb bombs and cluster bombs
In third one the escort aircraft armed with B-57 tactical nukes
Fourth one is Russian Su-25s attack a Ukraine/Nato target. The escort A/C armed with different types of weapon from Kh-25L, AT-16 to 57mm rocket.

Here are my observations,
1, The escort F-16 with AGM-65, JDAM, CBU-105, GBU-24 LGB(MK84) will initiate an attack automatically. But those with GBU-12 LGB(MK82) and HYDRA 70mm rockets cannot, these A/C just sit behind do nothing even the automatic evasion is turn off . My guess it the weapon range is the factor here, GBU-12 has 4nm max range, HYDRA 70mm has 5.9nm. This is just my guess , 6nm weapon range is a requirement that will make the A/C fit into a SEAD escort role. This can be partially proven in the Russian Su-25 strike mission testing

2, Regarding the pervious observation, there is one exception , F-16 armed with AGM-88 + GBU-12 LGB combination will auto attack SHORAD threat with GBU-12 LGB.

3, For some reason , American F-16 in escort role with dumb bombs and cluster bomb will not attack SHORAD.

4, in Russian Su-25 mission, escort A/C with Kh-25 and Kh-29 will automatically attack SHORAD, both of these ammunition have max range at 6nm. AT-16 (5nm max range) and KAB series LGB (4nm) will not. But Su-25 with dumb bombs, rockets and cluster bombs will auto attack SHORAD threats.

5, I remember someone complaint that the SEAD patrol and SEAD escort mission will not attack SPSAM. I guess that is because SPSAM is very hard to ID. SPSAM is very annoying when it is In a “?” mark, but it will be attacked after successfully ID (I put some inf recon team next to the SPSAM to ID it). Also the escort A/C would prefer attack SAM site first, then AAA. SPSAM seems to be the lowest priority on the list.

6, Bad news, F-16 with B-57 will not react to SHORAD threat. Next time I should let escort A/C armed with AGM-86B or a Tzar bomba
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RE: Escort (SEAD) A/C vs SHORAD - 9/2/2020 8:47:53 PM   
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Did you ensure your WRA allowed to the threats to be engaged? I would think the B57 by default would not be allocated to such targets.

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RE: Escort (SEAD) A/C vs SHORAD - 9/3/2020 12:40:45 AM   
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I believe that you needed to Have Target Of Opportunity available. I played with it on and they immediately launched their nukes, much to the chagrin of the surrounding ground troops that were obliterated.


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RE: Escort (SEAD) A/C vs SHORAD - 9/4/2020 4:00:31 PM   
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Cool! Thx for the tips, I never pay attention to that option. Now everything works! Including the GBU-12 and HYDRA 70mm.
Looks like I can set the escort mission to engage target of opportunity and leave the main strike mission to mission specific target.
Thank you

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RE: Escort (SEAD) A/C vs SHORAD - 9/4/2020 6:23:34 PM   
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Yes, it worked fine for me when I just changed that one option. Of course, the units on the ground that got nuked weren't too happy. <G>

Glad to help.

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RE: Escort (SEAD) A/C vs SHORAD - 9/5/2020 12:00:28 AM   
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6 nautical miles is suspiciously close to the 36000 foot high altitude setting. If your aircraft are set for that altitude there might be something weird going on with targeting and weapon ranges in that configuration that causes the difference in behavior.

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