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What is your approach to every new turn? - 8/24/2020 11:21:35 AM   
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Hi guys,
after finally finishing another "1st turn" as Allies vs AI I have again arrived at the 2nd turn.
Now I studied a lot of forum entries & "how-to's", but I am still interested in your approaches.

So how do you approach a new turn?

I think a systematic approach with notes in spreadsheets etc. is logical, but I cant decide if I should go region by region, or chapter by chapter - or a mix of both. As the game/campagin is quite immense, I would like to be time efficient (I am aware that its gonna take a few years, but stil ). I used Kull's spreadsheet for the setup, but for further operations its a little bit too detailed (even with filters); I could be wrong oc.

If other forum entries have already discussed this, pls link them.

Looking forward to hear from you guys.

BR

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RE: What is your approach to every new turn? - 8/24/2020 1:31:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Nowi Ribak

Hi guys,
after finally finishing another "1st turn" as Allies vs AI I have again arrived at the 2nd turn.
Now I studied a lot of forum entries & "how-to's", but I am still interested in your approaches.

So how do you approach a new turn?

I think a systematic approach with notes in spreadsheets etc. is logical, but I cant decide if I should go region by region, or chapter by chapter - or a mix of both. As the game/campagin is quite immense, I would like to be time efficient (I am aware that its gonna take a few years, but stil ). I used Kull's spreadsheet for the setup, but for further operations its a little bit too detailed (even with filters); I could be wrong oc.

If other forum entries have already discussed this, pls link them.

Looking forward to hear from you guys.

BR




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RE: What is your approach to every new turn? - 8/24/2020 1:40:35 PM   
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Playing AE well is not about doing things efficiently, but doing the effective things.

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RE: What is your approach to every new turn? - 8/24/2020 1:55:48 PM   
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Hello , welcome to the grind!

Everybody here has a different approach so you will get varied responses.

I used spreadsheet for starting as both sides helped me understand mechanics a lot better and minimized the errors , now i have gotten a lot better at allied first turn i dont use it anymore and as Japan i use it for most efficient way of garrisoning so i dont waste good troops on garrison duty.

After first turn is done my daily routine ; Check intell if i am playing as Allies > Check Carrier groups (airgroups , fuel , ammo) > Important events from replay > New arrivals > Go around map region by region.

Hope you can find what works for you and good luck!

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RE: What is your approach to every new turn? - 8/24/2020 2:50:05 PM   
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Thanks for the responses, @Evoken that order seems alright - I will try it out.
How much valuable insight does the SIGINT report actually deliver? I have a fairly solid understanding of the history of the Pacific War, so against the AI the development until summer 42' should be pretty straightforward?

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RE: What is your approach to every new turn? - 8/24/2020 3:10:32 PM   
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Thanks for the responses, @Evoken that order seems alright - I will try it out.
How much valuable insight does the SIGINT report actually deliver? I have a fairly solid understanding of the history of the Pacific War, so against the AI the development until summer 42' should be pretty straightforward?

You won't get any Intel until the first turn is run, and then you will get lots of Intel. Basically, any time the IJ player gives orders to units there is a chance of Intel picking it up - not necessarily all the details, but enough to hint that something is up - e.g. "Heavy Radio Traffic at Kwajalein" should tell you that major forces there are preparing to leave the port or make attacks from the airfield.

You can play the game based on historical IJ expansion, but there may be some surprises as the scripts for the AI contain some different targets. The game also lets you, as "El Supremo", to make unexpected moves or simply reinforce/protect places you know are likely targets - Port Moresby for example. Much depends on the type of risk level you can tolerate, and in your first outings you will not have a good feel for how risky your moves are. Do you play everything safe or do you gamble here and there?

Above all, forget about trying to do everything perfectly or analyzing to the nth degree to get maximum benefit. The game is like life - full of variables that can break lucky or unlucky for you. Develop a feel for what the enemy's strengths and weaknesses are and of course your own as well. Then play to that in whatever manner makes you comfortable and entertained! Good luck!




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RE: What is your approach to every new turn? - 8/24/2020 4:49:13 PM   
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The first few turns are a lot of clicking to get your merchant ships out of the way while sending orders to your combat vessels to have some fun.

After checking the intel screen (the "i" button on the upper left) then check the reports for what happened during the turn. That will tell you where new units have come in and where they are located. But in your intelligence, you will see when you get a unit in and the load cost. Decide where you want it to go ahead of time, then have shipping and escorts there if needed to move them. You do not need ships to move from the Eastern US to Cape Town. From Cape Town to a base on the map you will need shipping.

This early, to see if you have missed any air units, go to your air unit button on the top and look at all air units, see if any are at 40% training. Those are the ones that you may have missed, go to them and give them better orders. Slowly work on the Soviets if it gets too much. The AI won't attack them but sometimes a player will activate them early - whether they want to or not.

Figure out a system to look at the map. For example, start in Hawaii since that is where the game turn starts for the Allies. Maybe then go to where the action was that turn, determine the damage and your reactions, then check the rear areas for things that need to be done. The computer will not tell you when a task force has reached his destination, but you can look at the task force screen from the button on top to see where the endurance is set to zero.

Don't forget to look at the strategic map every now and then. Those red dots in the ocean are enemy ships out there. Remember, the red dots are bad, stomp them out.

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RE: What is your approach to every new turn? - 8/24/2020 5:21:56 PM   
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1st step: Check Intel (and I play Japanese: even more important for allies), 2nd step: check weather. Then pick a theater to start with every day. I always start with China: every turn. Check ground units. Check air units and assign missions to support the ground ops. I often stand-down my bombers and recon (and sometimes fatigued fighter units) when Thunderstorms are forecast. I don't rest a percentage of bomber or recon groups daily. The weather forecast determines when they rest. Check all TFs in theater for destination, routes, and orders such as "remain on station" or "retirement allowed" "full refuel" and so forth. As Japan, I don't want to waste a lot of fuel topping off xAKs and the like. Then move to the next theater. I always do Burma and the west second. third is the DEI, and so forth. This is late 1942. As the Japanese perimeter contracts, the theaters change, but I try to keep the same general counter-clockwise order: China first, West second, south third, east fourth, fifth Home Islands and Manchuria last.

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RE: What is your approach to every new turn? - 8/24/2020 8:11:05 PM   
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Do you play everything safe or do you gamble here and there?



For now I want to learn more about the game and give the IJN AI a bit room to breathe, so I am going to chicken out until maybe 03 or 04/42. Then maybe some light, decent fun in the south but mainly d#.

Thx for the advice everyone

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RE: What is your approach to every new turn? - 8/24/2020 8:25:59 PM   
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That is called a Sir Robin defense.

But learn to use your light cruiser and destroyer forces in the DEI to interrupt landings. The AI won't mind.

Train your Naval air pilots, they are not trained enough to take on the Japanese. Your torpedo bombers should return to land to train, increase the fighters on the carriers by loading a fighter squadron on each one.

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RE: What is your approach to every new turn? - 8/24/2020 8:47:08 PM   
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My approach is to do the turn. I usually sit down first.

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RE: What is your approach to every new turn? - 8/24/2020 9:33:34 PM   
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My approach is to do the turn. I usually sit down first.


Radical approach, but I'll think about it

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RE: What is your approach to every new turn? - 8/24/2020 10:15:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nowi Ribak

So how do you approach a new turn?

I think a systematic approach with notes in spreadsheets etc. is logical, but I cant decide if I should go region by region, or chapter by chapter - or a mix of both. As the game/campagin is quite immense, I would like to be time efficient (I am aware that its gonna take a few years, but stil ). I used Kull's spreadsheet for the setup, but for further operations its a little bit too detailed (even with filters); I could be wrong oc.


Congrats on reaching turn 2 and wishing to continue playing !

You’ll see each turn will take much less time in the future, unless you plan a big invasion, and some routine will install. Having a system to approach each turn will help you avoid forgetting things. You’ll probably find your own preferred routines, so all I can do is tell you how I approach it, in steps.

0) during turn resolution, I keep notes on a tablet, on various things to remember checking specifically (for example, if a sub’s performance is not great, I’ll check the leader ; often, I’ll also note which ships/TF were involved in a combat, or naval search/ASW sightings of interest).
0bis) make a copy of the turn save + combat/intel/ops reports
1) checking ships involved in combat, specifically damage and ammo.
2) check the heavy bombers who made a big attack last turn, and stand them down (I don’t like leaving my heavies on regular schedules), and check other units who took heavy losses.
3) check Intel, and cross-check it with previous turns intel (also, updating my notepad on enemy major ground units activity, both from intel and « combat reconnaissance »)
4) check Ops, and deal, in order, with the new units, the repaired ships (or the ships needing further repair in another mode),
5) check both air unit screen, sorted through fatigue, to ensure patrols and bombers on search/ASW are not over-worked
6) check the ship screen, sorting primarily for subs
7) checking ground units in my current list of heavy fighting locations, and rotate combat orders if needed (or retreating some to a nearby base if shot-up)
8) check the remaining points of interest I noted during turn resolution
9) check one or two areas deeper : I keep a roll between the various areas of operations, with a regular schedule, checking most or every base/TF/air unit in it to reassess needs and priorities (usually, the first check in the month is deeper and for every base, the other times are mostly supply checks and air units depletion, focusing on front-line bases and units who moved). Usually, a 10-turn roll including most active areas (CenPac, SWPac/Oz, SoPac/NZ, NorPac/WC, India/Burma, China, convoys, pilot training, industry/device pools, overall strategic reassessment). When I check an area is also the moment I allocate the units for the planned offensive operations.

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RE: What is your approach to every new turn? - 8/25/2020 1:04:50 AM   
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My approach is to do the turn. I usually sit down first.

I approach out of the sun, from a little above. When possible, I get my buddy to do an anvil attack.

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RE: What is your approach to every new turn? - 8/25/2020 2:03:32 AM   
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My approach is to do the turn. I usually sit down first.


I didn't know Gorns could sit, doesn't the tail get in the way?

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RE: What is your approach to every new turn? - 8/25/2020 3:16:14 AM   
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He sits on his stool ...

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RE: What is your approach to every new turn? - 8/25/2020 3:44:48 AM   
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He sits on his stool ...


That could be messy.

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RE: What is your approach to every new turn? - 8/25/2020 7:39:07 AM   
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He sits on his stool ...


That could be messy.

Have you ever seen a lizard sit? T-Rex must have had a problem at the dinner table.

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RE: What is your approach to every new turn? - 8/25/2020 8:18:05 AM   
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As Japan I go anti-clockwise, but as allies I go clockwise.
So overall I’m an ambi-turner.

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