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1941 Scenario Russian Infantry overpowered? - 8/11/2020 10:19:40 PM   
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I was checking Soviet Rifle Corps in the Barbarossa 1941 scenario using hotseat to see if they were 3-1-2 or 3-2-2, as there have been some issues with the 39 Scenario after Germany DOWs Russia, and the first 20% 2 factor Soviet Infantry I checked was the one in the screenshot below. It's a 4-2-3 with 4 defense! It seems way overpowered compared to the 1939 scenario. Is this WAD?








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RE: 1941 Scenario Russian Infantry overpowered? - 8/11/2020 10:33:42 PM   
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41 assault tech. And it is still a mere 2 CV unit.

Not exactly overpowered.

A 41 German assault tech *division* is twice as strong as this, never mind their infantry corps, which clock in at 13.

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RE: 1941 Scenario Russian Infantry overpowered? - 8/11/2020 11:04:56 PM   
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Quite different than the same unit in the 1939 scenario though. Why? Is it a play balance tool? If a 3-2-2 2-factor 20% Infantry Corps is much better than the 3-1-2, how much more is a 4-2-3? In any case, I didn't know if there was a glitch or this was WAD.

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RE: 1941 Scenario Russian Infantry overpowered? - 8/11/2020 11:41:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: baloo7777

Quite different than the same unit in the 1939 scenario though. Why? Is it a play balance tool? If a 3-2-2 2-factor 20% Infantry Corps is much better than the 3-1-2, how much more is a 4-2-3? In any case, I didn't know if there was a glitch or this was WAD.


A unit's effective "Defend" combat value (don't confuse this with its "Defense" stat) is a combination of many factors; the most important of which are its effectiveness and experience. The 1939 Russian large corp has stats (Firearms, Guns, Artillery and Defense) that give it a Defend strength of 2 if it has 100% efficiency and 20% experience. Even if its Firearms, Guns, Artillery and Defense stats are increased through upgrades this does not necessarily mean that its Defend value will increase. That is why in your case your Soviet Rifle Corps with "Assault 41" still only has a 2 Defend CV (the same as the 39 Assault) at 100% effectiveness even though it has more of everything. The difference is that this 41 Assault Corps will be able to maintain this 2 defend CV at lower effectiveness than the 39 Assault corps. So the beauty of the 39 Assault Corps (with 2 guns) is that they have that 2 CV for the initial attack, after their effectiveness is reduced they will go to a 1 CV. But they are designed for that first attack. If they ahve only 1 gun then their CV is only 1 even at 100% effectiveness.

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RE: 1941 Scenario Russian Infantry overpowered? - 8/12/2020 12:54:32 PM   
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quote:

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ORIGINAL: baloo7777

Quite different than the same unit in the 1939 scenario though. Why? Is it a play balance tool? If a 3-2-2 2-factor 20% Infantry Corps is much better than the 3-1-2, how much more is a 4-2-3? In any case, I didn't know if there was a glitch or this was WAD.


A unit's effective "Defend" combat value (don't confuse this with its "Defense" stat) is a combination of many factors; the most important of which are its effectiveness and experience. The 1939 Russian large corp has stats (Firearms, Guns, Artillery and Defense) that give it a Defend strength of 2 if it has 100% efficiency and 20% experience. Even if its Firearms, Guns, Artillery and Defense stats are increased through upgrades this does not necessarily mean that its Defend value will increase. That is why in your case your Soviet Rifle Corps with "Assault 41" still only has a 2 Defend CV (the same as the 39 Assault) at 100% effectiveness even though it has more of everything. The difference is that this 41 Assault Corps will be able to maintain this 2 defend CV at lower effectiveness than the 39 Assault corps. So the beauty of the 39 Assault Corps (with 2 guns) is that they have that 2 CV for the initial attack, after their effectiveness is reduced they will go to a 1 CV. But they are designed for that first attack. If they ahve only 1 gun then their CV is only 1 even at 100% effectiveness.


Thanks. A very understandable explanation. BTW... my 1939 Sceario i both 1.073 ad the Beta 8U6 have 3-2-2 Soviets both before and after Germany DOWs.

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RE: 1941 Scenario Russian Infantry overpowered? - 8/12/2020 2:03:27 PM   
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It was tough to balance the Russian front and give both players a sense of anxiety.

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RE: 1941 Scenario Russian Infantry overpowered? - 8/12/2020 3:53:15 PM   
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Thanks. A very understandable explanation. BTW... my 1939 Sceario i both 1.073 ad the Beta 8U6 have 3-2-2 Soviets both before and after Germany DOWs.


Yes, I have no explanation for why some of us have this problem with 1.00.073 and others don't. Maybe the solution for those with the problem is to uninstall and then do a new clean install.

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