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How to increase spy intel? - 8/5/2020 9:46:56 PM   
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1# If you have sent spies to a regime and want to learn more about say their political factions and civilisation score etc will the spies over time/turns unlock more information for when you click on the targets hex/zone?

2# Is the calculation made by number of spies + budget for Secret Service?

It seems as per manual the Secret Service Priorities eg. (Active field operations, Spying operations and internal security) are about priorities for gaining stratagems than anything else. Which suggests im guessing increasing budget for Secret Service will impact spying operations more?
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RE: How to increase spy intel? - 8/5/2020 9:49:49 PM   
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quote:

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1# If you have sent spies to a regime and want to learn more about say their political factions and civilisation score etc will the spies over time/turns unlock more information for when you click on the targets hex/zone?

2# Is the calculation made by number of spies + budget for Secret Service?

It seems as per manual the Secret Service Priorities eg. (Active field operations, Spying operations and internal security) are about priorities for gaining stratagems than anything else. Which suggests im guessing increasing budget for Secret Service will impact spying operations more?


1) Need more spies.

2) No. Page 340 of manual - it's calculated on number of spies AND level of deals with target regime.

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RE: How to increase spy intel? - 8/5/2020 9:54:03 PM   
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In my experience, the more spies infiltrated in a major regime, the better the intelligence. Not really the matter of time.
But some intelligence might only come from diplomacy (i.e. trade agreements, research pacts, military alliances).
I'm unable to tell if spying can yield the same information (although I tend to believe it cannot).

You want to increase Spying Operations budget if you want more spies. Active Field Operations allows mainly to try and influence the balance of power of factions in the target regime, and Internal Security to target your own leaders. Some Stratagems (such as Assassination of one of your own leaders) require some unlocks from a high enough regime profile trait (such as Autocracy in the previous example).

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RE: How to increase spy intel? - 8/5/2020 9:58:05 PM   
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In my experience, the more spies infiltrated in a major regime, the better the intelligence. Not really the matter of time.


Soft cap for spies is 25 (total in regime) if you're lacking any spying bonuses and don't have any deals with that regime. There is no random here.

Soft cap for zone is 30 (to see everything with 100 recon), but you can reach it with ~ 15-20 spies (random).

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RE: How to increase spy intel? - 8/5/2020 10:08:14 PM   
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So number of turns that pass has nothing to do with it?

So you send 6 spies and the next turn you get the info and that is all the intel you will get until you send more spies to increase info?

Btw Page number 340 has Automation Tech Group info (updated manual version) perhaps the page number is correct in older version. I did a search for deals in manual page 237...

So when you say 'Level of deals with target regime' that is Trade deals or Scientific deals? perhaps Military pact level might be considered a deal too?

This is interesting, gives another depth to trade deals.

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RE: How to increase spy intel? - 8/5/2020 10:13:26 PM   
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quote:

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Btw Page number 340 has Automation Tech Group info (updated manual version) perhaps the page number is correct in older version. I did a search for deals in manual page 237...


Whoops! Sorry. Pages 333-335 in updated manual.

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RE: How to increase spy intel? - 8/5/2020 10:52:52 PM   
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Thanks for the extra info guys.

I just realised my previous post was made before i saw the other posts before it.

So with Active Field Operations this if more priority is given to will add more stratagem cards, but i guess you need a decent amount of intel such as knowing what factions exist in order to play some of those stratagems that Active Field Operations gives? otherwise you cannot target them. Which means make Active Field Operations a low priority initially and increase Spying operations a lot initially?




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RE: How to increase spy intel? - 8/5/2020 11:15:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Daza99

1# If you have sent spies to a regime and want to learn more about say their political factions and civilisation score etc will the spies over time/turns unlock more information for when you click on the targets hex/zone?

2# Is the calculation made by number of spies + budget for Secret Service?

It seems as per manual the Secret Service Priorities eg. (Active field operations, Spying operations and internal security) are about priorities for gaining stratagems than anything else. Which suggests im guessing increasing budget for Secret Service will impact spying operations more?

The Secret Service is only about generating Stratagems. Most councils are only or at least primarily about Stratagems.
Stuff like Prospecting, Research and Model design are the exception for councils - not the rule.

Zone Recon is described under 5.14.2.2
The level goes from 0 to 30.
Minimum of 1, if you border them.
+10 for Protectorates**
+20 for Clients**
+1 for every 10 Regime Recon
1D4 for every zone Spy* **

*Note that as the number of dies incrases, average results become increasingly more likely. if you got 10 spies for 10D4, you propably get a solid 25 every turn or at least very close to it.

**Note the additional effects on Regime Recon, wich also grant you more Zone recon in return

Regime Recon is defined in 5.14.2.1.
It goes from 0 to 50.
Spies in their Zones grant you 2 times their number in Regime Recon (so every 5 Spies you also get more Zone Recon, via the +1 Zone Recon/10 Regime Recon Rule)
But the big deals, are definitely Diplomatic deals!
They can give you a ton of Regime Recon, wich also translates into Zone Recon

At a high enough level, you start getting card free "Support Faction" events.
Note that the AI does not follow those rules.

Example 1:
If you send 5 spies into the single Zone of a Regime:
Regime Recon is at 10. So you get most of the possible data, but at a poor reliability

Zone recon would be:
- 5D4 from spies
- 1 from Regime Recon
So anywhere between 6 and 21, with a strong trend towards 11.

That means you get:
- the Borders of the Zone (from Regime Recon). Wich is superseeded by propably having Recon 1 on every Hex.
- The 1 Recon would mean that any unit not in a terrain with Hide Points would be known to you
- At least Recon 1 on all Bordering Zones
- you can play Startagems on the Zone and all bordering zones


Example 2:
You got a spread out major, 5 Zones. 10 Spies in their Capitol Zone:

Regime Recon is at 20.

Zone Recon (Capitol) is:
- 10d4 from the spies
- 2 (from Regime Recon level)
So anywhere from 12 to 42. With a strong tendency towards 27. On a good roll, you can actually reach the top Zone Recon level, for 100 Recon on every Hex (meaning not even with Hide Points, units can escape your sight).

Zone Recon (non-Capitol) is:
- 2 (from Regime Recon level

So you can target them all with Stratagems, and you know their Governors (AI majors afaik do not use any). But you do not evenget 1 recon on all nearby provinces

Example 3:
You got a Client State, no Spies, no further deals.

Regime Recon is 40, because you are their Overlord.
You get most data and at a almost perfect reliability. 5 Spies and you do get perfect information!

Zone Recon is:
- 4 from Regime Recon
- 20 because it is the zone of a Client State
24 total.

So you got almost perfect information. Some allied units hiding might escape you, but otherwise it is almost perfect.
3 Spies and you propably hit full 30 every turn, so perfect information.

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RE: How to increase spy intel? - 8/5/2020 11:32:07 PM   
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Also : reward for regime level 50 recon is seems to be broken, Statistic isn't available.

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