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Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/5/2020 2:44:56 AM   
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I have my eyes on this one.

Destroyer: U-Boat Hunter

Coming to steam at some point next year. Hoping for a detailed sim.



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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/5/2020 3:11:48 AM   
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Wow, that looks really cool! Hopefully they can deliver on the promise...A hyper-realistic first-person destroyer simulator hunting uboats would be awesome. I'll even deign to accept semi-realistic.

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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/5/2020 4:27:42 PM   
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I have my eyes on this one.

Destroyer: U-Boat Hunter

Coming to steam at some point next year. Hoping for a detailed sim.



Could be interesting. I am a bit put off by the orange gasoline explosion for a torpedo strike (which was usually a white column of water with a lot of black explosive and debris in it).

The option to pick up survivors while the U-boat is still around is also unrealistic - convoys had shallow-draft rescue ships for this purpose so taking a warship out of the escort for the purpose was not generally done. The only time my dad's corvette rescued people was after they sank a U-boat and saved some of the crew. At that point they were part of an H/K group, far away from the convoy they started in.

I haven't read anything suggesting that Fleet Fletcher DDs were used to escort ordinary convoys in the Atlantic. That is what DEs and similar escort vessels were for. Fletchers would have been welcomed for their speed, radar, sonar and gunpower, but their store of ASW weapons was not great.

So call me picky - but I wish designers would model the real conditions these men fought in - open bridges for the most part, cold and damp, tempestuous seas, green crews (from the rapid expansion of navies), old merchant ships belching too much smoke and not always able to keep convoy speed, and multiple U-boats making near-simultaneous attacks. If the game puts the "first person" leader in charge of the entire escort, giving orders to the vessels while trying to block all the U-boat attacks, that would be a plus.

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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/5/2020 4:40:27 PM   
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It is still a trailer, so really not a lot to say about the game

I doubt it will have any sort of hardcore realism

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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/5/2020 4:53:54 PM   
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Yeah, I discounted the cinematic trailer. The steam page gives more info, but I will still really enjoy even a semi-semi-realistic game where I can control a destroyer. I always have qualms about a developer's ability to deliver, but this game is still a decent amount of time away as it's shooting for Q3 2021.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1272010/Destroyer_The_UBoat_Hunter/

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Destroyer: The U-Boat Hunter is an interactive war thriller which seamlessly blends tactical WW2 anti-submarine warfare simulation with a gripping storyline, presented through Hollywoodesque, interactive cutscenes. Take command of a meticulously reconstructed Fletcher-class destroyer and lead your crew against nazi U-Boats in the Battle of the Atlantic!

The story unfolds through a choice and consequence mechanic, allowing the player to shape the fate of the crew plunged into a deadly struggle against a devious and stealth enemy. They will have to overcome both the underwater threat and their own shortcomings in order to make sure that the convoy they are protecting makes it safely across the pond.

Lead a whole destroyer squadron and make tactical decisions to protect your sheep from the steel wolves. Track contacts and plot anti-submarine attacks using authentic equipment. Experience war at sea from the perspective of a tin can sailor, and shape the story as it develops, making key decisions both in and outside the heat of battle.

It is all in your hands, captain! Will you lead your men to victory by making sure that your convoy reaches its destination, or will it fall prey to enemy torpedoes, depriving the allied war effort of the precious supplies you were trusted to protect? Only you can answer the question!

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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/5/2020 5:35:11 PM   
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Could be interesting. I am a bit put off by the orange gasoline explosion for a torpedo strike (which was usually a white column of water with a lot of black explosive and debris in it).

The option to pick up survivors while the U-boat is still around is also unrealistic - convoys had shallow-draft rescue ships for this purpose so taking a warship out of the escort for the purpose was not generally done. The only time my dad's corvette rescued people was after they sank a U-boat and saved some of the crew. At that point they were part of an H/K group, far away from the convoy they started in.

I haven't read anything suggesting that Fleet Fletcher DDs were used to escort ordinary convoys in the Atlantic. That is what DEs and similar escort vessels were for. Fletchers would have been welcomed for their speed, radar, sonar and gunpower, but their store of ASW weapons was not great.

So call me picky - but I wish designers would model the real conditions these men fought in - open bridges for the most part, cold and damp, tempestuous seas, green crews (from the rapid expansion of navies), old merchant ships belching too much smoke and not always able to keep convoy speed, and multiple U-boats making near-simultaneous attacks. If the game puts the "first person" leader in charge of the entire escort, giving orders to the vessels while trying to block all the U-boat attacks, that would be a plus.

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Probably most of the Fletcher Class of DDs went to the Pacific...I sure recognize a lot of the names from my pbem that's gotten into mid 1944.

I think that open bridges were a British/Commonwealth thing. I was on several US Coast Guard Cutters that escorted convoys in the North Atlantic in WW2 and they had enclosed bridges where one could take temporary (important word that) shelter from the atrocious weather (it was still atrocious in the late 70's anyway).

In his book "Convoy" which concerns itself with several convoys that transited the Atlantic in mid March 1943 the author (Middleton I think) speaks specifically to the importance of rescuing survivors. Merchant seamen were civilians after all and the idea that if they got torpedoed getting rescued was something of an incentive to sign on to another voyage. Since they were not subject to military discipline it was important to give them that incentive. (I remember seeing a copy of the yearbook from the US Merchant Marine Academy for 1944 - they had a thing called the "Tin Fish Club". Some of the members got their admission to the club posthumously while on their cadet cruise).


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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/5/2020 5:52:10 PM   
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Could be interesting. I am a bit put off by the orange gasoline explosion for a torpedo strike (which was usually a white column of water with a lot of black explosive and debris in it).

The option to pick up survivors while the U-boat is still around is also unrealistic - convoys had shallow-draft rescue ships for this purpose so taking a warship out of the escort for the purpose was not generally done. The only time my dad's corvette rescued people was after they sank a U-boat and saved some of the crew. At that point they were part of an H/K group, far away from the convoy they started in.

I haven't read anything suggesting that Fleet Fletcher DDs were used to escort ordinary convoys in the Atlantic. That is what DEs and similar escort vessels were for. Fletchers would have been welcomed for their speed, radar, sonar and gunpower, but their store of ASW weapons was not great.

So call me picky - but I wish designers would model the real conditions these men fought in - open bridges for the most part, cold and damp, tempestuous seas, green crews (from the rapid expansion of navies), old merchant ships belching too much smoke and not always able to keep convoy speed, and multiple U-boats making near-simultaneous attacks. If the game puts the "first person" leader in charge of the entire escort, giving orders to the vessels while trying to block all the U-boat attacks, that would be a plus.

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Probably most of the Fletcher Class of DDs went to the Pacific...I sure recognize a lot of the names from my pbem that's gotten into mid 1944.

I think that open bridges were a British/Commonwealth thing. I was on several US Coast Guard Cutters that escorted convoys in the North Atlantic in WW2 and they had enclosed bridges where one could take temporary (important word that) shelter from the atrocious weather (it was still atrocious in the late 70's anyway).

In his book "Convoy" which concerns itself with several convoys that transited the Atlantic in mid March 1943 the author (Middleton I think) speaks specifically to the importance of rescuing survivors. Merchant seamen were civilians after all and the idea that if they got torpedoed getting rescued was something of an incentive to sign on to another voyage. Since they were not subject to military discipline it was important to give them that incentive. (I remember seeing a copy of the yearbook from the US Merchant Marine Academy for 1944 - they had a thing called the "Tin Fish Club". Some of the members got their admission to the club posthumously while on their cadet cruise).


At the start of the war (1939-41) some escorts did stop to pick up survivors as a first priority. After a couple of them got torpedoed while doing so, it became clear that the number one priority was to keep the U-boat from attacking. Escorts might drop rubber rafts and such for the survivors but would not go back to pick them up until there was no sign of the U-boat. Early escorts mostly lacked radar and there were so few of them they were needed to protect the rest of the convoy. The location of survivors was radioed in and if a ship was available to try and find them it was sent, but many had no rescue.


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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/5/2020 5:55:07 PM   
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Yeah, it just seems practical not to stop while there's a threat in the area that can launch torpedoes at you.

FYI, this sub sim game is out in early access. You and other humans can all work together to crew a uboat in the atlantic. I've seen some people play it and while it's very much a work in progress, it has promise. Still probably doesn't compare to old Silent Hunter IV with mods yet.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/490920/Wolfpack/

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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/6/2020 1:39:46 AM   
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Yeah, it just seems practical not to stop while there's a threat in the area that can launch torpedoes at you.

FYI, this sub sim game is out in early access. You and other humans can all work together to crew a uboat in the atlantic. I've seen some people play it and while it's very much a work in progress, it has promise. Still probably doesn't compare to old Silent Hunter IV with mods yet.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/490920/Wolfpack/

A group of people using Internet links to control a boat moment by moment - now that sounds like an adventure! How do you shoot the miscreant who causes the boat to broach the surface after firing torps?

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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/6/2020 2:16:51 AM   
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Yeah, it just seems practical not to stop while there's a threat in the area that can launch torpedoes at you.

FYI, this sub sim game is out in early access. You and other humans can all work together to crew a uboat in the atlantic. I've seen some people play it and while it's very much a work in progress, it has promise. Still probably doesn't compare to old Silent Hunter IV with mods yet.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/490920/Wolfpack/

A group of people using Internet links to control a boat moment by moment - now that sounds like an adventure! How do you shoot the miscreant who causes the boat to broach the surface after firing torps?


Who throws the pail of icy saltwater into someone's face?

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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/6/2020 12:37:27 PM   
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"... with a gripping storyline, presented through Hollywoodesque, interactive cutscenes..."



"...featuring a love triangle with the two boyhood friends Rafe and Danny joining the Navy together and fighting over the pretty navy nurse Eveylin, while singlehandedly defeating the U-Boat threat and embarking on a suicide mission to bombard..."

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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/6/2020 2:19:54 PM   
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Sounds like a first person shooter type thing. Not up my alley, but YMMV.

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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/6/2020 2:52:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


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ORIGINAL: Anachro

Yeah, it just seems practical not to stop while there's a threat in the area that can launch torpedoes at you.

FYI, this sub sim game is out in early access. You and other humans can all work together to crew a uboat in the atlantic. I've seen some people play it and while it's very much a work in progress, it has promise. Still probably doesn't compare to old Silent Hunter IV with mods yet.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/490920/Wolfpack/

A group of people using Internet links to control a boat moment by moment - now that sounds like an adventure! How do you shoot the miscreant who causes the boat to broach the surface after firing torps?


Who throws the pail of icy saltwater into someone's face?

Now we're getting to it...would it be a 'pail' of water or a 'bucket' of water? I dunno what term ze Germans would use.

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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/6/2020 2:53:08 PM   
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"... with a gripping storyline, presented through Hollywoodesque, interactive cutscenes..."



"...featuring a love triangle with the two boyhood friends Rafe and Danny joining the Navy together and fighting over the pretty navy nurse Eveylin, while singlehandedly defeating the U-Boat threat and embarking on a suicide mission to bombard..."


Yes? Yes??? Don't stop now! The plot suspense is killing me!

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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/6/2020 3:03:18 PM   
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Yeah, it just seems practical not to stop while there's a threat in the area that can launch torpedoes at you.

FYI, this sub sim game is out in early access. You and other humans can all work together to crew a uboat in the atlantic. I've seen some people play it and while it's very much a work in progress, it has promise. Still probably doesn't compare to old Silent Hunter IV with mods yet.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/490920/Wolfpack/

A group of people using Internet links to control a boat moment by moment - now that sounds like an adventure! How do you shoot the miscreant who causes the boat to broach the surface after firing torps?


This is actually quite a hardcore game, made by Silent Hunter players, more detailed than SH4

AFAIK, it is too much a "platform" simulator, with players in control of different battle stations (helm, torpedo, periscope)
so a totally different feel compared to the "captain view" you have in Silent Hunter games

Also the game starts with the submarine close to the convoy, therefore it is not that you have to be navigating for hours or days before action starts

Important: game is still in early access, so not really a good idea to buy yet

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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/7/2020 12:43:21 AM   
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I well recall the destroyer simulator called Destroyer Command from 2002 although I didn't play it for long. I recollect mostly that it had a wretched AI, and the destroyer formations were infamous for running aground or into each other.



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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/7/2020 1:26:23 AM   
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I well recall the destroyer simulator called Destroyer Command from 2002 although I didn't play it for long. I recollect mostly that it had a wretched AI, and the destroyer formations were infamous for running aground or into each other.




That actually happened where the US Navy lost a bunch of four pipers. I think that it was around 1922 off California.

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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/7/2020 1:46:12 AM   
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That actually happened where the US Navy lost a bunch of four pipers. I think that it was around 1922 off California.


(In the days before radar.) IRCC there were 11 DDs. They were in a single column and played "follow the leader" onto the rocks.

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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/7/2020 2:33:57 AM   
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Having served on 3 destroyers, picking up survivors was not an option while a sub was still in the area. sink the sub first, next torp might be for you.

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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/7/2020 3:30:22 AM   
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That actually happened where the US Navy lost a bunch of four pipers. I think that it was around 1922 off California.



Yeah, the Honda Point disaster of 1923. Follow the DD leader into the rocks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Point_disaster

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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/7/2020 12:28:19 PM   
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I well recall the destroyer simulator called Destroyer Command from 2002 although I didn't play it for long. I recollect mostly that it had a wretched AI, and the destroyer formations were infamous for running aground or into each other.





Prompted by this thread, I have actually dug-up my installation cd of "Destroyer Command" to see if I can get it to run on modern Windows.

I well recall this one from C64 days - I was quite good at the AA gun station, regularily killing 96 out of 96 attacking planes in the Kamikaze mission.






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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/7/2020 12:46:36 PM   
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Wow. The 80s called. They want their video graphics back.



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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/7/2020 2:16:52 PM   
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Wow. The 80s called. They want their video graphics back.



I'm guessing you didn't start gaming on a 286 machine with Mr Grigsby's 640k Ram Dos games .... I say that because we people who did tend to be more forgiving of these things than the entitlement generation.


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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/7/2020 3:00:55 PM   
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Unless you count an Atari console as a platform, my first was a C64. The graphics were quite good. I wasted a lot of my life playing a game called Sixth Fleet. But the C64 had way better graphics than a 286 machine. Though I made a fair bit of dosh on Intel stock. Well, not really, I donated it, but made me feel good.

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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/7/2020 3:11:09 PM   
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Wow. The 80s called. They want their video graphics back.



I'm guessing you didn't start gaming on a 286 machine with Mr Grigsby's 640k Ram Dos games .... I say that because we people who did tend to be more forgiving of these things than the entitlement generation.


Yes, I think that those people who make comments like that should permanently use Depends undergarments. Not to mention going out into the sun because they might melt. BTW, look back and think of 64k which also included the operating system . . .

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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/7/2020 5:48:54 PM   
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Having served on 3 destroyers, picking up survivors was not an option while a sub was still in the area. sink the sub first, next torp might be for you.


Knowing that the sub is still around might be difficult. Cmdr Roy Raney USCG on USCGC Bibb, part of a Support Group for an SC convoy (forgot which one), disobeyed a direct order to rejoin the convoy from the Convoy Commodore to rescue 205 survivors of a torpedoed transport which had lagged behind. For that specific action he received the Navy Commendation ribbon with a Combat V. He ultimately got promoted to Vice Admiral so his disobedience in this instance did not apparently adversely affect his career.

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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/7/2020 6:00:21 PM   
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submarine commander from 1982

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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/7/2020 7:55:20 PM   
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Having served on 3 destroyers, picking up survivors was not an option while a sub was still in the area. sink the sub first, next torp might be for you.


Knowing that the sub is still around might be difficult. Cmdr Roy Raney USCG on USCGC Bibb, part of a Support Group for an SC convoy (forgot which one), disobeyed a direct order to rejoin the convoy from the Convoy Commodore to rescue 205 survivors of a torpedoed transport which had lagged behind. For that specific action he received the Navy Commendation ribbon with a Combat V. He ultimately got promoted to Vice Admiral so his disobedience in this instance did not apparently adversely affect his career.


One, he was a Coastie so that was his job first - to rescue people. Two, you have to know which orders to disobey - just like Patton with Palmyra in Sicily.

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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/7/2020 9:37:15 PM   
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Having served on 3 destroyers, picking up survivors was not an option while a sub was still in the area. sink the sub first, next torp might be for you.


Knowing that the sub is still around might be difficult. Cmdr Roy Raney USCG on USCGC Bibb, part of a Support Group for an SC convoy (forgot which one), disobeyed a direct order to rejoin the convoy from the Convoy Commodore to rescue 205 survivors of a torpedoed transport which had lagged behind. For that specific action he received the Navy Commendation ribbon with a Combat V. He ultimately got promoted to Vice Admiral so his disobedience in this instance did not apparently adversely affect his career.


One, he was a Coastie so that was his job first - to rescue people. Two, you have to know which orders to disobey - just like Patton with Palmyra in Sicily.

If he did a through sonar sweep of the area before stopping, he could justify stopping. Also, a troop transport torpedoed puts a lot more lives in jeopardy than a cargo ship. Merchant sailors are expected to know how to get the lifeboats launched quickly and get in them, or use the rafts aboard. Still a dicey call since sonar sweeps are not proof positive that no subs are nearby.

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RE: Destroyer Simulation Inbound - 8/7/2020 9:51:54 PM   
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I'm not sure he had sonar, at least wiki says the ship got sonar in 1966. The article I read said his ship was the only ship in the convoy with HF/DF which was probably the reason the Convoy Commander was so concerned. As far as Raney's career, the Convoy Commander was RN and would not have much influence. By the time Raney got back to the east coast, the rescued had talked to the papers (a security violation) and had made him into a public hero. Overall, he was probably lucky--and we all know what is claimed that Napoleon said about lucky generals.

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