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[WAD] Can't add magazine to groups with SAM facilities - 6/24/2020 1:25:41 PM   
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Using the scenario editor, I can add magazines to any group unless it has a SAM facility, then the add magazine button does not show. In the attached saved game, switch to the Rus side and try to add a magazine to the group of SAM sites that I created or the airbase to which I attached some SAM facilities.

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RE: [Logged] Can't add magazine to groups with SAM faci... - 6/26/2020 12:04:11 AM   
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You can't add a magazine to a 'group'. It has to be against a 'unit' as that is where the magazines are.
If you pick a unit in the group, then you can add a magazine to it.

You can add a magazine to the 'single-unit airfield (eg Khotilovo (Borisovsky, Borisovskiy)), but not to the multi-unit airfield (eg Chernyakhovsk)
This has always been the case.

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RE: [Logged] Can't add magazine to groups with SAM faci... - 6/26/2020 1:53:40 PM   
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I beg to differ. I can add magazines to groups of land facilities without a SAM facility if it has an ammo facility. I should be able to add a magazine to any group of facilities that have an ammo facility. Ships are different. You're correct about groups of ships.

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RE: [Logged] Can't add magazine to groups with SAM faci... - 6/26/2020 2:42:09 PM   
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I always just assumed you had to ungroup units, land of sea, to add a magazine. Never even thought it should be different. Just muscle memory.

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RE: [Logged] Can't add magazine to groups with SAM faci... - 6/28/2020 10:07:45 AM   
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@thewood1 - You don't have to ungroup them, just view them in unit-view to add the mag to the specific unit where you want it. You poor poor soul, if you've been ungrouping them just to add mags.

@JP - You can add weapons in group view (for facility groups) because it will show the all mags in the group if there is at least one, but you can not add a new magazine unless in unit-view. I just tried "I can add magazines to groups of land facilities without a SAM facility if it has an ammo facility." and as expected this is not correct, there is no add mag button when in group-view on a land group no matter what type. As others have pointed out it's been that way.

Are you sure you're not in unit-view when trying it or confusing add weapons with add magazines? The only time you can while in group-view is when it's a single-unit airbase or port, and even then if you group those with something else you'll lose the ability unless in unit-view and select the specific unit.

Here is a land group with no sam's for example.


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I should be able to add a magazine to any group of facilities that have an ammo facility.

I understand the feature request desire to be able to add mags to a selected group. I don't understand saying it should only apply to things that have ammo facility specifically though, because most any facility can have a magazine added to it, a runway, a hanger, a single trooper,etc.

But let's think about the request. Say you've selected a group be it SAG or an airbase doesn't really matter, and most if not all members of that group can host magazines. Lets say the button was there, you pressed add magazine, selected the mag you wanted, it gets added. But where does it get added? Do you want it to select a member of the group at random? If the answer is yes, well that might be ok for an airbase to some degree (beyond people saying...hey it added a mag to my runway that's not realistic! waa), but for say a group of ships or a group of sam sites or any group really that is dispersed that's a problem because you don't know where it added it and it will not be 'usable' by the 'group' in most cases, airbases and ports are special cases. So that suggests 'random' isn't a great idea unless it's some fall back option. So what's another option? Well we could pop-up another windows that says, these are the members of the group, please select the unit you want the magazine you just selected added too, after you've pressed add selected or double clicked the mag entry. But I'm not sure how much gain is there vs hitting 'v' and selecting the specific unit in the first place. Now it may come to mind that it would avoid maybe having to zoom in and such and select\find each unit, but at least in the case of airbases a large percent of the time they're all named similarly so it's not like finding the right one you want in the list you'll have to scroll through is going to be that much easier, might even be harder not seeing the location. I'm interested what else comes to mind cause I definitely could be forgetting time-sync wise in the usual processes.

Just some thoughts, not opposed to the feature idea nor particularly pushing for it, just pondering how many clicks or hand ****s etc may or may not be really saved by it, maybe it would be a big gain, but also maybe not.

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RE: [Logged] Can't add magazine to groups with SAM faci... - 6/28/2020 2:54:02 PM   
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It's not a feature request. Before the latest update, the add magazine button would show and work for any group of land facilities that had an ammo facility. Now if the group has a SAM facility with an ammo facility the add magazine button does not show after clicking the magazine button for the group. If a group of land facilities has an ammo facility and no SAM facilities, then the add magazine button shows after clicking the magazine button for the group.

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RE: [Logged] Can't add magazine to groups with SAM faci... - 6/29/2020 12:59:59 AM   
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quote:

Before the latest update, the add magazine button would show and work for any group of land facilities that had an ammo facility.

This 1146_2, please explain.

this 1142_2, I can not find such past behavior, in what version did it ever work?



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RE: [Logged] Can't add magazine to groups with SAM faci... - 6/29/2020 1:24:59 PM   
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1142 is still recent. I haven't played CMO much for a few months. Try a version early in the year when CMO first came out. I have grouped several SAM Facilities added a ammo facility and added magazines to the group using the scenario editor in both CMANO and CMO. However, it has been some time since I tried it again in the last couple of weeks.

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RE: [Logged] Can't add magazine to groups with SAM faci... - 6/29/2020 11:29:45 PM   
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I went back to 1134.3 which I think was march, no such joy.

Where did the magazines go when you added them to the group? (ie what unit of the group?)

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RE: [Logged] Can't add magazine to groups with SAM faci... - 6/30/2020 3:59:41 AM   
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The ammo facility.

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