Matrix Games Forums

Forums  Register  Login  Photo Gallery  Member List  Search  Calendars  FAQ 

My Profile  Inbox  Address Book  My Subscription  My Forums  Log Out

New Scenario for Testing: Sink the Kirov, 1988

 
View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
Users viewing this topic: none
  Printable Version
All Forums >> [New Releases from Matrix Games] >> Command: Modern Operations series >> Mods and Scenarios >> New Scenario for Testing: Sink the Kirov, 1988 Page: [1]
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
New Scenario for Testing: Sink the Kirov, 1988 - 6/24/2020 12:25:35 AM   
vettim89


Posts: 3592
Joined: 7/14/2007
From: Toledo, Ohio
Status: offline
This is a simple but somewhat challenging scenario based on one included in Larry Bond's original Harpoon rules set for miniatures. I believe it was included in either the second or third edition of the rules. You have the air group of USS Coral Sea and you have the simple mission of destroying a Soviet Surface Action Group (SAG) deployed north of your position. I have left the bulk of the aircraft unloaded to allow the players to choose their own solutions

Not really involved or particularly complicated but still a fun scenario that can be played in a hour or less

Attachment (1)

< Message edited by vettim89 -- 6/27/2020 6:31:33 PM >


_____________________________

"We have met the enemy and they are ours" - Commodore O.H. Perry
Post #: 1
RE: New Scenario for Testing: Sink the Kirov, 1988 - 6/24/2020 3:32:05 AM   
Fido81

 

Posts: 81
Joined: 7/14/2019
Status: offline
Great scenario! It says what it's going to do, and then does it. It's a real nice sandbox to play around with and figure out how to deal with the problem that Kirovs (theoretically) posed. I also appreciate that there's no scenario creep.

Out of curiosity, is there a reason there's no S-3s or F-4s, or F-14s in a Carrier Air Wing that's threatening the Kola peninsula?

(in reply to vettim89)
Post #: 2
RE: New Scenario for Testing: Sink the Kirov, 1988 - 6/24/2020 4:39:24 AM   
Rob322

 

Posts: 534
Joined: 8/16/2004
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Fido81

Great scenario! It says what it's going to do, and then does it. It's a real nice sandbox to play around with and figure out how to deal with the problem that Kirovs (theoretically) posed. I also appreciate that there's no scenario creep.

Out of curiosity, is there a reason there's no S-3s or F-4s, or F-14s in a Carrier Air Wing that's threatening the Kola peninsula?


The Midway Class was incapable of flying F-14's and I don't think they carried the S-3 either. Modern jets pushed the Midways right up to their limits. They did have 3-4 squadrons of F/A-18's though as well as the A-6E.

(in reply to Fido81)
Post #: 3
RE: New Scenario for Testing: Sink the Kirov, 1988 - 6/24/2020 1:14:16 PM   
vettim89


Posts: 3592
Joined: 7/14/2007
From: Toledo, Ohio
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Fido81

Great scenario! It says what it's going to do, and then does it. It's a real nice sandbox to play around with and figure out how to deal with the problem that Kirovs (theoretically) posed. I also appreciate that there's no scenario creep.

Out of curiosity, is there a reason there's no S-3s or F-4s, or F-14s in a Carrier Air Wing that's threatening the Kola peninsula?


Actually used the historical air wing form the date of the scenario. The squadron nicknames are all correct. So no F-14 and no S-3 on the two Midway class CVs in the 1980s

_____________________________

"We have met the enemy and they are ours" - Commodore O.H. Perry

(in reply to Fido81)
Post #: 4
RE: New Scenario for Testing: Sink the Kirov, 1988 - 6/25/2020 3:08:45 AM   
Fido81

 

Posts: 81
Joined: 7/14/2019
Status: offline
Thanks for the responses.

In CMO (in my opinion) the only thing better than playing through a well thought-out scenario is learning something new as the result of having played it!

(in reply to vettim89)
Post #: 5
RE: New Scenario for Testing: Sink the Kirov, 1988 - 6/25/2020 6:05:17 PM   
Schr75


Posts: 748
Joined: 7/18/2014
From: Denmark
Status: offline
Hi Vettim89

Great scen.
Short and funny with lots of wiggle room to experiment with different tactics and weapons.
I have a few suggestions for improvements though.

Nitpicking first
There´s a few mistakes in the briefing.
"Intel indicates a Soviet surface action group (SAG) centered around then BCGN Kirov is operating off Svalbard"
Then should be the

"Priority is given to the Kirov and any addition units capable of launching long range SSMs (SS-12, SS-19)."
Should be SS-N-12, SS-N-19
The SS-12 and SS-19 are landbased ballistic missiles

Nitpicking out of the way.
You have set the Soviet WRA to weapons tight, preventing them from firing on unidentified aerial targets.
That made it possible for me to close in on the SAG, well within SAM range, without being engaged.

Being this is a war time scen, I think the SAG would engage 40+ planes approaching with jamming support, before they start shooting
I recommend either setting AAW WRA to free or setting up an exclusion zone around the SAG using the Kirov SAG RP´s.
This would force the player to approach the target more carefully.

Hope this helped.

Søren

(in reply to Fido81)
Post #: 6
RE: New Scenario for Testing: Sink the Kirov, 1988 - 6/26/2020 2:38:13 PM   
vettim89


Posts: 3592
Joined: 7/14/2007
From: Toledo, Ohio
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Schr75

Hi Vettim89

Great scen.
Short and funny with lots of wiggle room to experiment with different tactics and weapons.
I have a few suggestions for improvements though.

Nitpicking first
There´s a few mistakes in the briefing.
"Intel indicates a Soviet surface action group (SAG) centered around then BCGN Kirov is operating off Svalbard"
Then should be the

"Priority is given to the Kirov and any addition units capable of launching long range SSMs (SS-12, SS-19)."
Should be SS-N-12, SS-N-19
The SS-12 and SS-19 are landbased ballistic missiles

Nitpicking out of the way.
You have set the Soviet WRA to weapons tight, preventing them from firing on unidentified aerial targets.
That made it possible for me to close in on the SAG, well within SAM range, without being engaged.

Being this is a war time scen, I think the SAG would engage 40+ planes approaching with jamming support, before they start shooting
I recommend either setting AAW WRA to free or setting up an exclusion zone around the SAG using the Kirov SAG RP´s.
This would force the player to approach the target more carefully.

Hope this helped.

Søren


Thank you for the feedback. I will correct the typos. I am in agreement that the WTA needs tweaked. Also considering a possible event to try to keep the Slava and Kirov form being neutralized by a wall of HARMs coming at them. The problem being that coding that in a way to not have them radar blind when the Harpoons arrive.

_____________________________

"We have met the enemy and they are ours" - Commodore O.H. Perry

(in reply to Schr75)
Post #: 7
RE: New Scenario for Testing: Sink the Kirov, 1988 - 6/26/2020 4:46:00 PM   
Schr75


Posts: 748
Joined: 7/18/2014
From: Denmark
Status: offline
quote:

Also considering a possible event to try to keep the Slava and Kirov form being neutralized by a wall of HARMs coming at them. The problem being that coding that in a way to not have them radar blind when the Harpoons arrive.


A simple solution might be to just let a few of the escorts radiate, acting as radar pickets.
If the enemy fires, the Kirov will will light up automatically if it´s WRA are set to "ignore EMCON under attack".

Also, if you set up an exclusion zone around the SAG, the radar pickets should be able to pick up targets for the Kirov which will then engage them if they enter the zone, and otherwise remain passive if they do not.

Looking forward to see what you do with this scen.

Søren


(in reply to vettim89)
Post #: 8
RE: New Scenario for Testing: Sink the Kirov, 1988 - 6/27/2020 6:33:02 PM   
vettim89


Posts: 3592
Joined: 7/14/2007
From: Toledo, Ohio
Status: offline
Updated the file with corrections to the briefing and resetting the WTA. Opted to not add in any event control of the Soviet radars as this was meant to be a simple scenario

_____________________________

"We have met the enemy and they are ours" - Commodore O.H. Perry

(in reply to Schr75)
Post #: 9
Page:   [1]
All Forums >> [New Releases from Matrix Games] >> Command: Modern Operations series >> Mods and Scenarios >> New Scenario for Testing: Sink the Kirov, 1988 Page: [1]
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts


Forum Software © ASPPlayground.NET Advanced Edition 2.4.5 ANSI

0.141