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Barbarossa crippled by running out of oil - 6/19/2020 2:49:47 AM   
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Playing two games of ‘41 back to back, and in both games Axis ran out of oil in September. What do you do now as Axis?
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RE: Barbarossa crippled by running out of oil - 6/19/2020 3:07:11 AM   
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I've never had oil problems in 10+ games, we'd need to know a lot more.

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RE: Barbarossa crippled by running out of oil - 6/19/2020 3:55:07 AM   
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I've run out of oil in Russia in my first pbem game of the Barbarossa campaign as you start with a small amount. In the 39 scenario, you have to plan carefully for 41 Barbarossa in PvP. I've watched several youtube vids and they all say that oil was the biggest problem that held the Germans back... that and a lack of trucks and rail lines... in other words, logistics had as big a part in the "miracle of Moscow" Russian stopping the Germans, as did weather or the Siberian troops arrival.

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RE: Barbarossa crippled by running out of oil - 6/19/2020 8:20:35 AM   
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Germans admittedly had oil issues during the war but not to the extent of running out of oil by 1941.

And if you have to be extremely careful about oil right from 1939, then we are not accurately representing history: doubt that Germans were extremely worried about oil during all the Blitzkrieg campaigns between Poland and the Barbarossa.

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RE: Barbarossa crippled by running out of oil - 6/19/2020 3:11:00 PM   
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My mistake. I meant you need to save oil that you get starting in 39 to get capacity as high as you can before you invade Russia. If you play the 41 Barbarossa Scenario, you'll see how little oil Germany started that campaign with.

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RE: Barbarossa crippled by running out of oil - 6/19/2020 3:18:21 PM   
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One trick is before you fill up to capacity is to send Italy some once they are in the war.

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RE: Barbarossa crippled by running out of oil - 6/29/2020 10:42:14 PM   
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Germans admittedly had oil issues during the war but not to the extent of running out of oil by 1941.

And if you have to be extremely careful about oil right from 1939, then we are not accurately representing history: doubt that Germans were extremely worried about oil during all the Blitzkrieg campaigns between Poland and the Barbarossa.

Sounds like you are saying that the historical Germans took precautions and were frugal with their expenditures (which they were.) There is a good reason that so much of their army was still foot infantry rather than panzer grenadier.

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