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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 5/28/2020 5:02:54 PM   
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I have a season ticket at Burnley FC in the Premier League.

I've no idea when I'll be back at Turf Moor watching them, and I don't think anyone does.


The Nationals are crediting us on a pro-rated basis for every 2020 game that isn't played in front of fans, credit going towards the 2021 season. So basically, I'll be paid up for 2021 because I don't think we'll have spectators at games this year.

On top of that, they're giving us a 50% bonus credit that can be spent on single game tickets for 2021, concessions, or merchandise. Considering that my per-game face value price on a ticket is $29 and my per-beer price at the park is $11.60 (assuming prices don't change)... that 50% is more than I spent on beer and food at the park during all of 2019, including the playoffs.

So I'm pretty excited about 2021. Gonna be really hard to not buy yet another jersey from the team store, or WS memorabilia, when I've got that much credit burning a hole in my pocket.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 5/28/2020 8:55:14 PM   
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I have a season ticket at Burnley FC in the Premier League.

I've no idea when I'll be back at Turf Moor watching them, and I don't think anyone does.


The Nationals are crediting us on a pro-rated basis for every 2020 game that isn't played in front of fans, credit going towards the 2021 season. So basically, I'll be paid up for 2021 because I don't think we'll have spectators at games this year.

On top of that, they're giving us a 50% bonus credit that can be spent on single game tickets for 2021, concessions, or merchandise. Considering that my per-game face value price on a ticket is $29 and my per-beer price at the park is $11.60 (assuming prices don't change)... that 50% is more than I spent on beer and food at the park during all of 2019, including the playoffs.

So I'm pretty excited about 2021. Gonna be really hard to not buy yet another jersey from the team store, or WS memorabilia, when I've got that much credit burning a hole in my pocket.


Cubs haven't announced anything yet (I'm a season ticket holder), but I hope it includes something additional like that credit! That's awesome!

There's no way we're re-signing Kris Bryant, so may as well buy the fans some free beer!

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 5/28/2020 11:05:40 PM   
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I have a season ticket at Burnley FC in the Premier League.

I've no idea when I'll be back at Turf Moor watching them, and I don't think anyone does.


The Nationals are crediting us on a pro-rated basis for every 2020 game that isn't played in front of fans, credit going towards the 2021 season. So basically, I'll be paid up for 2021 because I don't think we'll have spectators at games this year.

On top of that, they're giving us a 50% bonus credit that can be spent on single game tickets for 2021, concessions, or merchandise. Considering that my per-game face value price on a ticket is $29 and my per-beer price at the park is $11.60 (assuming prices don't change)... that 50% is more than I spent on beer and food at the park during all of 2019, including the playoffs.

So I'm pretty excited about 2021. Gonna be really hard to not buy yet another jersey from the team store, or WS memorabilia, when I've got that much credit burning a hole in my pocket.


We are getting a refund for the rest of this year.

I pay for my S/T by DD, but they don't know what to do about next season as no one knows if crowds will be allowed or not.

On the plus side, the season kicks off again in three weeks so at least I can watch them play.

Over here its safe to say that its not going well.

I think I can safely say that!


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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 5/29/2020 5:39:40 AM   
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About indoor vs. outdoor transmission. Proper ventilation greatly reduces TB transmission. I think the same will prove true here, though TB particles are much heavier than coronavirus and TB isn't common, but when it is present in poorly ventilated quarters it spreads quickly. I think more effort should be put into that rather than sneeze guards and the like. Asymptomatic people are spreading this and they aren't coughing or sneezing. I think getting this off of surfaces of whatever type is a low risk, just keep up the hand washing and wearing of gloves when you're out and about. Copper catalyzes oxidation of anything organic that comes into contact with it, just enough to kill bacteria, viruses and fungus. I think copper door knobs, door handles and door push plates should be de rigueur. I wouldn't even worry about food, those hooks on the virus will snag something quickly and never let loose, and when it gets to your stomach that HCl will make short work of it. Viruses (except enteroviruses such as polio) generally are not transmitted through ingestion. Many bacterial pathogens are.

The coronavirus is an RNA virus, same as influenza. That means it evolves quickly, though for unknown reasons it has been evolving somewhat slower than influenza, a very good thing. Even when we have a vaccine that more or less works, we will not eliminate the virus solely that way, unlike DNA viruses like smallpox, which can be eliminated through vaccinations. It is a relative of SARS and will not be going away. We are going to adapt to it somehow. The mortality number is hardening to around 6% of those individuals who acquire the virus and a similar number will survive but have permanent organ damage, some serious and even crippling. Some organs like the kidneys are being attacked directly by the virus and others are affected indirectly.

Although it is possible that we'll never have a vaccine that has much utility I think it highly likely that we will and that it will reduce mortality to below 1%, but that's still a heck of a lot worse than the flu. Like with the flu we will continuously need to update the vaccine. The need for testing, contact tracing and continuous collection of virus samples for analysis will not go away either. I think we can reasonably hope that vaccinations will also reduce the transmission rate especially among the asymptomatic.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 5/29/2020 11:11:11 AM   
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About indoor vs. outdoor transmission. Proper ventilation greatly reduces TB transmission. I think the same will prove true here, though TB particles are much heavier than coronavirus and TB isn't common, but when it is present in poorly ventilated quarters it spreads quickly. I think more effort should be put into that rather than sneeze guards and the like. Asymptomatic people are spreading this and they aren't coughing or sneezing. I think getting this off of surfaces of whatever type is a low risk, just keep up the hand washing and wearing of gloves when you're out and about. Copper catalyzes oxidation of anything organic that comes into contact with it, just enough to kill bacteria, viruses and fungus. I think copper door knobs, door handles and door push plates should be de rigueur. I wouldn't even worry about food, those hooks on the virus will snag something quickly and never let loose, and when it gets to your stomach that HCl will make short work of it. Viruses (except enteroviruses such as polio) generally are not transmitted through ingestion. Many bacterial pathogens are.

The coronavirus is an RNA virus, same as influenza. That means it evolves quickly, though for unknown reasons it has been evolving somewhat slower than influenza, a very good thing. Even when we have a vaccine that more or less works, we will not eliminate the virus solely that way, unlike DNA viruses like smallpox, which can be eliminated through vaccinations. It is a relative of SARS and will not be going away. We are going to adapt to it somehow. The mortality number is hardening to around 6% of those individuals who acquire the virus and a similar number will survive but have permanent organ damage, some serious and even crippling. Some organs like the kidneys are being attacked directly by the virus and others are affected indirectly.

Although it is possible that we'll never have a vaccine that has much utility I think it highly likely that we will and that it will reduce mortality to below 1%, but that's still a heck of a lot worse than the flu. Like with the flu we will continuously need to update the vaccine. The need for testing, contact tracing and continuous collection of virus samples for analysis will not go away either. I think we can reasonably hope that vaccinations will also reduce the transmission rate especially among the asymptomatic.

Lots of different RNA virus with varied characteristics. SARS is deadly, Ebola is really deadly, measles is wildly contagious and they can be notoriously hard to develop vaccines for. They have been working on a HIV vaccine since the 1990's and have made little progress. The knowledge seems to shift around daily but the virus may already have up to 25 variations. There is enough variation that they can tell that the primary vector for the United States was from Europe, probably Italy and that the virus is more lethal in the United States than it is in Asia. The good news is more often than not virus mutate to become less, or sometimes completely, non-lethal. Sometimes, the opposite happens as in 1918-1919

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 5/29/2020 4:41:52 PM   
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It would be helpful if people acted responsibly. Since some haven't, at least there'll be the benefit of getting a measure of the risks of massed outdoor activity. With many jurisdictions sending signals that professional and other sporting events may be able to resume soon, that could be vital part of our understanding of things.

From what I've seen, outdoor transmission doesn't seem to be a major threat. It's indoor gatherings (funerals, choir practices, meatpacking, assisted living) that are the real issues. Purely a guess on my part, but Lake of the Ozarks and beaches here and there, and Central Parks, probably won't be a major issue - as long as we don't have elderly or infirm people wandering through in close proximity.

It's interesting to get viewpoints from you all. The feeling where I live and work is much different than expressed here. But, then, I don't work in NYC or ride a subway or reside in an assisted living facility. In this area, people maintain the most important countermeasures (nursing homes, etc.) but seem pretty confident and at ease. Life is gradually returning to normal. Five weeks post easing, things continue to improve. There's no sense of doom or forboding about the future. There are uncertainties going forward, but the steps taken were really the only available option, under all the circumstances.

Well, there are outdoor events and outdoor events. The beach, even when a bit crowded has room, the parks, outdoor walks, hiking, I expect even outdoor dining with a bit of space is just fine. I like going to baseball games. Not that they are planning to put fans in the stands but a sporting event or outdoor concert is a long way off before I'd be comfortable. I do like the occasional visit to the racetrack and you can find space there but the handing back and forth of money and tickets? Nope, not that either


I've also grown to believe it'll be rare to transmit this in outdoor situations, but it might just depend on what else goes on around that outdoor setting.

Many of the Spring break kids in Florida that made the news did get infected with Coronavirus, and whether it was on the beach, in the beach side bars/cafes or in the cars, planes and buses on the way to and fro, who knows? When people crowd it's not only where they are it's how the arrive and leave, it's where they use the toilet, it's where they get food and drink. These are the places I suspect that people will be transmitting this over the summer months.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 5/30/2020 11:55:42 AM   
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'Evolution of pandemic coronavirus outlines path from animals to humans' https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200529161221.htm

'The virus's ability to change makes it likely that new human coronaviruses will arise'

A team of scientists studying the origin of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that has caused the COVID-19 pandemic, found that it was especially well-suited to jump from animals to humans by shapeshifting as it gained the ability to infect human cells.

Conducting a genetic analysis, researchers from Duke University, Los Alamos National Laboratory, the University of Texas at El Paso and New York University confirmed that the closest relative of the virus was a coronavirus that infects bats. But that virus's ability to infect humans was gained through exchanging a critical gene fragment from a coronavirus that infects a scaly mammal called a pangolin, which made it possible for the virus to infect humans.

The researchers report that this jump from species-to-species was the result of the virus's ability to bind to host cells through alterations in its genetic material. By analogy, it is as if the virus retooled the key that enables it to unlock a host cell's door -- in this case a human cell. In the case of SARS-CoV-2, the "key" is a spike protein found on the surface of the virus. Coronaviruses use this protein to attach to cells and infect them.

"Very much like the original SARS that jumped from bats to civets, or MERS that went from bats to dromedary camels, and then to humans, the progenitor of this pandemic coronavirus underwent evolutionary changes in its genetic material that enabled it to eventually infect humans," said Feng Gao, M.D., professor of medicine in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Duke University School of Medicine and corresponding author of the study publishing online May 29 in the journal Science Advances.

Gao and colleagues said tracing the virus's evolutionary pathway will help deter future pandemics arising from the virus and possibly guide vaccine research.

The researchers found that typical pangolin coronaviruses are too different from SARS-CoV-2 for them to have directly caused the human pandemic.

However, they do contain a receptor-binding site -- a part of the spike protein necessary to bind to the cell membrane -- that is important for human infection. This binding site makes it possible to affix to a cell surface protein that is abundant on human respiratory and intestinal epithelial cells, endothelial cell and kidney cells, among others.

While the viral ancestor in the bat is the most closely related coronavirus to SARS-CoV-2, its binding site is very different, and on its own cannot efficiently infect human cells.

SARS-CoV-2 appears to be a hybrid between bat and pangolin viruses to obtain the "key" necessary receptor-binding site for human infection.

"There are regions of the virus with a very high degree of similarity of amino acid sequences among divergent coronaviruses that infect humans, bats and pangolins, suggesting that these viruses are under similar host selection and may have made the ancestor of SARS-CoV-2 able to readily jump from these animals to humans," said lead co-author Xiaojun Li from Duke.

"People had already looked at the coronavirus sequences sampled from pangolins that we discuss in our paper, however, the scientific community was still divided on whether they played a role in the evolution of SARS-CoV-2," said study co-lead author Elena Giorgi, staff scientist at Los Alamos National Laboratory.

"In our study, we demonstrated that indeed SARS-CoV-2 has a rich evolutionary history that included a reshuffling of genetic material between bat and pangolin coronavirus before it acquired its ability to jump to humans," Giorgi said.

In addition to Gao, Li and Giorgi, study authors include, Manukumar Honnayakanahalli Marichannegowda, Brian Foley, Chuan Xiao, Xiang-Peng Kong, Yue Chen, S. Gnanakaran and Bette Korber.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/2/2020 10:45:57 AM   
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Top Italian doctor's claim virus 'no longer exists' sparks controversy

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/top-italian-doctor-s-claim-virus-no-longer-exists-sparks-controversy-1.4963181

"In reality, the virus clinically no longer exists in Italy," said Alberto Zangrillo, head of the San Raffaele Hospital in Milan, the capital of the northern Lombardy region
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but ...

"Pending scientific evidence to support the thesis that the virus has disappeared, I would invite those who say they are sure of it not to confuse Italians," health ministry undersecretary Sandra Zampa said in a statement.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/2/2020 1:24:30 PM   
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I like to learn. And this thing will be a bad one to learn about. But I hope researchers figure out why NYC was hit so hard while other cities like Cairo seemed to have done OK. Anyway, stay safe and I am about to go outside and use my hands.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/2/2020 4:06:38 PM   
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While seated solo at a table in the mall food court today, eating a sandwich and reading a book, I realized that my level of concern over the pandemic is negligible now. When things really heated up, back in late February and March, I felt a personal level of concern that topped out at about 3, on a scale of 1 to 10. That "peak" mostly represented uncertainty, as news reports nationwide and worldwide were alarming and there was a high level of "unknown." What might happen? That my concern level, even then, was pretty low reflected that I don't live in an urban area, didn't really know anybody personally affected by the virus, and that me and my family largely don't have underlying health conditions that might make us particularly susceptible. There is still a basic level of alertness and wariness that will exist until the virus is eradicated or essentially "residual."

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/2/2020 4:12:21 PM   
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.... while other cities like Cairo seemed to have done OK.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Cwyq3XWeHE

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/2/2020 4:38:40 PM   
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That was good! A few decades ago I was in Cairo. Drinking and gambling in one of the casinos. One of my friends said - lets go climb a pyramid. So we go off, bribe a guard, climb the one with the flat top, and watch the sunrise from up there. The only roll of film that did not process from that trip. Not sure you could get away with those antics these days.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/2/2020 4:55:11 PM   
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That was good! A few decades ago I was in Cairo. Drinking and gambling in one of the casinos. One of my friends said - lets go climb a pyramid. So we go off, bribe a guard, climb the one with the flat top, and watch the sunrise from up there. The only roll of film that did not process from that trip. Not sure you could get away with those antics these days.
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My one and only trip to Cairo was a little different. You can't do it now but I was holidaying in Cyprus and we took a ship overnight to Israel, spent a day in the Holy Land, then another overnight to Egypt. When we got there we were herded into coaches with the army, armed to the teeth, riding shotgun and told, when we got to the Cairo Museum car park, to run to the door and not stop for anyone or anything..... nice.

IIRC it was not long after there had been a shooting of westerners at Sharm-el-Sheikh.....

Still the Pyramids were impressive to look at - although close up... not so much...


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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/2/2020 10:11:20 PM   
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Cyprus has some pretty good history sites......those Romans!

Haven't been to Israel. The thing that struck me about the pyramids. From pics it looks like a staircase to walk to the top, but those stairs are 6 feet tall. I think I now need to find a documentary on how they actually put those critters together. civil engineering in the extreme....

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/3/2020 2:02:10 AM   
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Staying away from politics, I'm wondering if there's been a Covid spike from all the protests going on Stateside. Has anyone noticed? From reading Facebook posts, it seems that with Covid out of the news cycle, people are less afraid of going out and doing things back there.

In Korea, we seem to have a new normal of about 40 new cases a day, with most being in Seoul. Seoul was fairly unscathed early on. Churches are now being blamed for the latest cases. Here's the latest article from the newswire:Church-tied virus cases stoke concerns over new wave of infections in greater Seoul

The government has said it'll go to stricter measures if we pass the 50 new cases per day threshold. In my world, the American Chamber of Commerce is going ahead with its annual ball at the Grand Hyatt on June 12. Other chambers have networking events scheduled for June 24 and 25, and the British Embassy pub, which is dear to my heart, is planning on opening on July 3. Let's hope they stay the course.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/3/2020 2:22:59 AM   
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I believe that it is too early to tell, it will be about another week or two before any spikes will show.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/3/2020 4:04:06 AM   
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Cyprus has some pretty good history sites......those Romans!

Haven't been to Israel. The thing that struck me about the pyramids. From pics it looks like a staircase to walk to the top, but those stairs are 6 feet tall. I think I now need to find a documentary on how they actually put those critters together. civil engineering in the extreme....
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We went inside one of them. I don't recall climbing any stairs (well except on the way back ) - we just walked for ages downwards and at the end..... there was just an empty room.....


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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/3/2020 4:10:23 AM   
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Staying away from politics, I'm wondering if there's been a Covid spike from all the protests going on Stateside. Has anyone noticed? From reading Facebook posts, it seems that with Covid out of the news cycle, people are less afraid of going out and doing things back there.

In Korea, we seem to have a new normal of about 40 new cases a day, with most being in Seoul. Seoul was fairly unscathed early on. Churches are now being blamed for the latest cases. Here's the latest article from the newswire:Church-tied virus cases stoke concerns over new wave of infections in greater Seoul

The government has said it'll go to stricter measures if we pass the 50 new cases per day threshold. In my world, the American Chamber of Commerce is going ahead with its annual ball at the Grand Hyatt on June 12. Other chambers have networking events scheduled for June 24 and 25, and the British Embassy pub, which is dear to my heart, is planning on opening on July 3. Let's hope they stay the course.

Cheers,
CB


I think it is too soon to tell - the lag time between infection and symptoms being 7-10 days in most cases.

There is a report that Tokyo is having a sudden spike in cases and is imposing a lockdown again.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-japan-tokyo/city-of-tokyo-issues-stay-home-alert-after-jump-in-new-virus-infections-idUSKBN2391VK

EDIT: I got the city wrong initially.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/3/2020 4:22:21 AM   
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Cyprus has some pretty good history sites......those Romans!

Haven't been to Israel. The thing that struck me about the pyramids. From pics it looks like a staircase to walk to the top, but those stairs are 6 feet tall. I think I now need to find a documentary on how they actually put those critters together. civil engineering in the extreme....
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We went inside one of them. I don't recall climbing any stairs (well except on the way back ) - we just walked for ages downwards and at the end..... there was just an empty room.....


The slope was about 30º so the stone was covered with wooden planks with cross-boards to give some traction. You left out the best part - the tunnel is only 4' high, so you have to walk bent over. That was murder on the back going downhill where you were near the tipping point for falling flat on your face and tobogganing down the ramp!

The reason for the ban on climbing the pyramids is less to do with preserving them and more to do with the loss of about one tourist per week who fell to their death or permanent injury. The body spoils the pictures for the rest of the tourists and the tour busses are on a schedule ...

Best part of my visit there was staying at the Mena House Hotel at the edge of Cairo, very close to the pyramids. One of the few places in the country with a swimming pool and ice cold beer! That was in 1977, so it may not be so great now.

About Cairo itself - the city was a mixture of old and new. The 8-lane highway from Cairo Airport to downtown had perfect asphalt and painted lines which the residents ignored. The rule was that the biggest vehicle has the right of way. And watch out for the heavily laden donkey carts on this 50 MPH highway, and in downtown Cairo.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/3/2020 4:43:10 AM   
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I'm wondering if there's been a Covid spike from all the protests going on Stateside. Has anyone noticed?

It is the news around here, waiting to see if a spike occurs. Also waiting to see if Memorial Day festivities cause a spike.

Personally, I believe the warmer weather is holding it fown, not anything else, and it will be back.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/3/2020 5:08:46 AM   
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Staying away from politics, I'm wondering if there's been a Covid spike from all the protests going on Stateside. Has anyone noticed? From reading Facebook posts, it seems that with Covid out of the news cycle, people are less afraid of going out and doing things back there.

In Korea, we seem to have a new normal of about 40 new cases a day, with most being in Seoul. Seoul was fairly unscathed early on. Churches are now being blamed for the latest cases. Here's the latest article from the newswire:Church-tied virus cases stoke concerns over new wave of infections in greater Seoul

The government has said it'll go to stricter measures if we pass the 50 new cases per day threshold. In my world, the American Chamber of Commerce is going ahead with its annual ball at the Grand Hyatt on June 12. Other chambers have networking events scheduled for June 24 and 25, and the British Embassy pub, which is dear to my heart, is planning on opening on July 3. Let's hope they stay the course.

Cheers,
CB




A spike is widely expected.

Also of note, the US numbers ticked up slightly after stalling out on the decline.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/3/2020 5:11:53 AM   
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I'm wondering if there's been a Covid spike from all the protests going on Stateside. Has anyone noticed?

It is the news around here, waiting to see if a spike occurs. Also waiting to see if Memorial Day festivities cause a spike.

Personally, I believe the warmer weather is holding it fown, not anything else, and it will be back.

And ... ALL Lives Matter !





This thread says no politics. Please take it elsewhere. It would be helpful also if you would delete the offending part of your post (and I'll delete it from the quote as well).



On topic, the prevailing evidence is that while warm weather slows this coronavirus, it's not the driving factor in the sustained (but slow) decline.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/3/2020 1:31:19 PM   
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Following on a post by a forumite yesterday, here's a news report about the Italian professor who contends the virus is diminishing and the strong opposition to his contention: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/02/claim-coronavirus-no-longer-exists-provokes-controversy.html

Here's an article about Sweden's tactics: https://www.bloombergquint.com/onweb/man-behind-sweden-s-virus-strategy-says-he-got-some-things-wrong

Regarding whether protests will trigger renewed outbreaks, I have a feeling they won't. Outdoor transmission seems consistently low, especially when the population involved isn't vulnerable due to age. Remember the Lake of the Ozarks partying over Memorial Day weekend? That was now about 10 days ago. There was one report that a participant came down with the virus, but overall no spike appears to have developed there. (Per that theory, the outbreak in Louisiana following Marti Gras most likely happened in bars and other indoor activities rather than the outdoor revelries; ditto spring break activities in South Florida.)


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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/4/2020 2:07:26 AM   
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So should indoor businesses start modifying their High Volume Air Flow Systems to filter air more effectively [as they used to do with 'smokeaters' when indoor smoking was allowed], or design systems that circulate indoor air to the outside while bringing in fresh outdoor air?

This may seem like an expensive thing to do, but otherwise we have empty arenas, and folks sitting at restaurant tables set up outside in the street. Or, businesses shut down or operating at 25-50% capacity while waiting to see how long it will take for this thing to pass.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/4/2020 8:45:12 AM   
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London report.

The Ro is supposed to down to 0.4 here now, and the transport system is still pretty unused during non-rush hour times. My wife took our new one in to get a BCG immunization (which apparently is somewhat useful in fighting Corona infection as well as TB) and encountered good distancing and masks on people in the tube.

Things are definitely getting more normal, with openings happening in more cafes and shops, and much more traffic on the roads and sidewalks.

We are now allowed to see friends which is a relief, and our nursery is open. We may begin sending our oldest in by the middle of the month if all still seems good.

In spite of all of that, a workmate of my wife and her family came down with Covid last week. So it isn't gone completely. All seem to be doing well so far, with noticeable but more mild symptoms.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/4/2020 9:39:48 AM   
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So should indoor businesses start modifying their High Volume Air Flow Systems to filter air more effectively [as they used to do with 'smokeaters' when indoor smoking was allowed], or design systems that circulate indoor air to the outside while bringing in fresh outdoor air?

This may seem like an expensive thing to do, but otherwise we have empty arenas, and folks sitting at restaurant tables set up outside in the street. Or, businesses shut down or operating at 25-50% capacity while waiting to see how long it will take for this thing to pass.

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So should indoor businesses start modifying their High Volume Air Flow Systems to filter air more effectively [as they used to do with 'smokeaters' when indoor smoking was allowed], or design systems that circulate indoor air to the outside while bringing in fresh outdoor air?

This may seem like an expensive thing to do, but otherwise we have empty arenas, and folks sitting at restaurant tables set up outside in the street. Or, businesses shut down or operating at 25-50% capacity while waiting to see how long it will take for this thing to pass.


in NYC we have vastly expanded out 311 call taking ability. 311 is for anything that is not a 911 emergency. Anyway, some genius got a "bargin" lease on the top floor of a 25 story building. Great deal in April, until they found out that the build AC goes off at 6PM (standard for NYC office buildings). Since 311 is a 24x7 operation no AC all night is not good for office spaces loaded with people and hastily installed computer equipment. So they quickly folded 311 into my agency cause what the hell and now it's our problem. Cut to the chase we heroically design a system of roof top AC units, big, heavy, expensive, ugly, but fast. Found out yesterday the building codes have been changed so now we need to add more outside air. Have no idea if the units that are supposed to arrive today can be modified. So, yes, at least new construction will require more outside air.
Both of our 911 call centers are 24x7 365 so they are always on but one of the head engineers told me this. You have thousands of office buildings in NYC that have water chillers on top of them that are supposed to be on 24x7 all year. You just throttle them back during the night, but the water keeps circulating. Anyways, when the city shut down many of these buildings shut this units down since it was so cold in March and April. Stagnate water in water chillers = Legionnaires' disease. Once they start these back up they better treat them or we are going to have outbreaks of Legionnaires' disease here. God I love this City. Side note. The Brooklyn NYC center is right at the foot of the Manhattan and Brooklyn bridges and you have to go through the plaza to get to Barclays center so we pretty much have massive protests for 18 hours each day.I keep the police scanner on at work so when the protests start coming over the bridge or up from Barclays I get in my car and go. Good times. Never dull around here

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/4/2020 10:42:29 AM   
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Funny water chiller story. The company needed to do some work that required turning off the chillers. They kept postponing the work until they got a really cold day to replace the effect of the chillers. Work happens on a weekend. Come Monday morning the load on the mainframes goes up and then suddenly they start to overheat and crash. Turns out in the desire to get that really cold day to do the work, having the chillers off allowed all of the water in them to freeze, so no circulation come Monday am and therefore the overheated mainframes. Talk about unintended consequences.

The AC off after 6pm thing also led to a lot of 'interesting' discussions between myself and Corporate services when my team was routinely working until midnight to get high profile work done.

The joys of working in NYC.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/4/2020 10:58:11 AM   
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Funny water chiller story. The company needed to do some work that required turning off the chillers. They kept postponing the work until they got a really cold day to replace the effect of the chillers. Work happens on a weekend. Come Monday morning the load on the mainframes goes up and then suddenly they start to overheat and crash. Turns out in the desire to get that really cold day to do the work, having the chillers off allowed all of the water in them to freeze, so no circulation come Monday am and therefore the overheated mainframes. Talk about unintended consequences.

The AC off after 6pm thing also led to a lot of 'interesting' discussions between myself and Corporate services when my team was routinely working until midnight to get high profile work done.

The joys of working in NYC.

That's funny. Folks don't realize those chillers have to run all the time or they freeze over. No easy way out for you. Just have to wait for it to thaw I guess.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/4/2020 11:03:27 AM   
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We scrounged up every fan we could find to blow at the mainframes while others tried to thaw out the chillers. Not sure if anyone lost their job over the fiasco, I was a mere plebe at the time.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/4/2020 11:38:12 AM   
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We scrounged up every fan we could find to blow at the mainframes while others tried to thaw out the chillers. Not sure if anyone lost their job over the fiasco, I was a mere plebe at the time.

Yup, we had a data center go down a few years ago because someone, on the Friday of Memorial Day weekend, when the head engineer, and most of my team were offsite, violated every procedure in the book to go under the raised floor to plug in a cabinet. He tripped the pre-action, filled the sprinkler pipes, knocked all the CRAC units off line (to prevent air distribution), didn't know how to get the cooling back, junior building engineer didn't know, I'm at the Jones Beach Air Show, Blue Angles screaming overhead, trying to talk the nitwit through this and we lost the entire data center. We now have a bunch of those Move & Cool spot coolers at every site. Anyway, the same genius that signed that lease I was talking about knows about those spot coolers. They are the size of refrigerators. He demanded a bunch for the office space while the cooling gets sorted out. Couldn't be talked out of it. Getting warm today. He will find out these sound similar to a small jet engineer and are not really made to co-exist with people having to hear phone calls. Malicious compliance on my co-workers part. He is absolutely going to get dinged for this but it is going to be worth it.

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