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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 8/1/2020 11:38:58 PM   
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I'd not mind some Aliens...would be welcome break from Covid, locusts, murder hornets etc.....

Long Island checking in......Sharks, way more sharks than a normal year. Ocean beaches closed to swimming multiple times a day. Bull sharks so far, which are nasty. Great Whites usually are here in numbers in August.

There was a report yesterday of a woman in the Lake of the Woods area getting her leg ripped by a muskellunge big enough to pull her under. Nearby people had to grab her to keep the fish from swimming off with her. That has to be a record muskie!


I have heard of that before. My grandfather told me about a 72 pound northern pike in Lake Michigan that was caught in a net and returned . . .

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 8/2/2020 12:08:28 AM   
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The Russians claim to have finished clinical trials on a vaccine and will mass vaccinate in October. Sounds like a Putin ploy to reduce protests and get the economy going again...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-russia-vaccine-idUSKBN24X3KO


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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 8/2/2020 1:53:11 AM   
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Samsung Electronics to halt production at its last computer factory in China

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SEOUL (Reuters) - Samsung Electronics Co will halt operations of its last computer factory in China, the South Korean tech giant said on Saturday, the latest manufacturer to shift production from the world’s second-biggest economy.

Companies are rethinking their production and supply chains amid . . . the blow from the COVID-19 pandemic.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-samsung-elec-china-pc/samsung-electronics-to-halt-production-at-its-last-computer-factory-in-china-idUSKBN24X3K4

It did not state where the production was moving to.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 8/2/2020 8:02:32 AM   
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This looks very interesting. A very clear breakdown of how immunity works, how vaccines can be developed to take advantage of weak points in a virus, and how we shouldn't worry that we won't have immunity if we've recently had this particular disease.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/opinion/coronavirus-antibodies-immunity.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

That antibodies decrease once an infection recedes isn’t a sign that they are failing: It’s a normal step in the usual course of an immune response.

Nor does a waning antibody count mean waning immunity: The memory B cells that first produced those antibodies are still around, and standing ready to churn out new batches of antibodies on demand.



I had reported on the B cells earlier but this adds new information. Thank you.

The damn virus has a bad habit of mutating frequently. I haven't seen any research on whether antibodies are still effective on all the variants. Since it would be unethical to give someone all the virus variants, we would have to do a huge amount of research on large pools of people who have had the virus. That won't likely happen soon - too many more urgent things for scientists to look at right now. Not trying to be a killjoy on our hopes, but we need to temper our expectations and not assume that those who have had it can go about with no precautions.


It is actually showing to mutate much less quickly than other viruses. In the article it mentions how it's not HIV, which does have such quick mutations it's impossible to create a vaccine.

The variants that exist now don't differ enough in ways that would inhibit current vaccines in trials from working. In fact vaccines are being made for virtually all areas and methods of fighting the virus, and there are many parts that can be used. Only very minor mutations are happening with Coronavirus and in areas that would not change either natural or vaccine immunity as scientists now see it, from what I've read.

You are talking vaccines, I was talking antibodies, which might target a different part of the virus. There are at least seven different versions of the virus.


Actually I am talking both. There are different versions, but read about them. It's changed remarkably little between variants, and the dominant form now appears to simply be just enough more contagious (with a variation on the spike protein connector) to have begun to dominate all other variants.

Being more contagious makes it more dangerous, but also would actually make it easier to get immunity to currently since this variant is beginning to dominate the worldwide outbreak.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200702144054.htm

The SARS-CoV-2 virus has a low mutation rate overall (much lower than the viruses that cause influenza and HIV-AIDS). The D614G variant appears as part of a set of four linked mutations that appear to have arisen once and then moved together around the world as a consistent set of variations.

"It's remarkable to me," commented Will Fischer of Los Alamos, an author on the study, "both that this increase in infectivity was detected by careful observation of sequence data alone, and that our experimental colleagues could confirm it with live virus in such a short time."

Fortunately, "the clinical data in this paper from Sheffield showed that even though patients with the new G virus carried more copies of the virus than patients infected with D, there wasn't a corresponding increase in the severity of illness," said Saphire, who leads the Gates Foundation-supported Coronavirus Immunotherapy Consortium (CoVIC).



This is interesting.

The attention lavished on G614 may obscure a bigger question, however: With the virus having spread to at least 11 million people worldwide, why aren’t more mutations that affect its behavior emerging?

Perhaps there’s just little selection pressure on the virus as it races through millions of immunologically naïve people, scientists say. That could change with the advent of vaccines or new therapies, forcing the virus to evolve. But it could also indicate that the virus has been with people longer than we know, and was spreading before the first known cases in Wuhan, China, in December 2019. “The evolution of this virus to become a human pathogen may have already happened and we missed it,” Rasmussen says.

Wang thinks a version of the virus may have circulated earlier in humans in southern Asia, perhaps flying under the radar because it didn’t cause severe disease. “If it happens in a small or remote village, even with some people dying, nobody is going to know there’s a spillover,” Wang says. The virus could then have infected an animal that was brought to Wuhan and started the pandemic.

At Dutch mink farms, after all, the virus jumped not just from humans to animals, but also back from animals to humans, Wang says. “If that can happen in the Netherlands, surely it can happen in a village in Thailand, or in Yunnan province in southern China.”


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/pandemic-virus-slowly-mutating-it-getting-more-dangerous

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 8/2/2020 9:30:15 AM   
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This also interesting. Sill looking at the Diamond princess as an enclosed case study in transmission. Aerosols becoming more and more likely as main mode of transmission.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/health/diamond-princess-coronavirus-aerosol.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

In a new report, a research team based at Harvard and the Illinois Institute of Technology has tried to tease out the ways in which the virus passed from person to person in the staterooms, corridors and common areas of the Diamond Princess. It found that the virus spread most readily in microscopic droplets that were light enough to float in the air, for several minutes or much longer.

For example, ventilation systems that “turn over” or replace the air in a room or building as often as possible, preferably drawing on external air to do so, should make indoor spaces healthier. But good ventilation is not enough; the Diamond Princess was well ventilated and the air did not recirculate, the researchers noted. So wearing good-quality masks — standard surgical masks, or cloth masks with multiple layers rather than just one — will most likely be needed as well, even in well-ventilated spaces where people are keeping their distance.



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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 8/2/2020 2:25:29 PM   
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Samsung Electronics to halt production at its last computer factory in China

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SEOUL (Reuters) - Samsung Electronics Co will halt operations of its last computer factory in China, the South Korean tech giant said on Saturday, the latest manufacturer to shift production from the world’s second-biggest economy.

Companies are rethinking their production and supply chains amid . . . the blow from the COVID-19 pandemic.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-samsung-elec-china-pc/samsung-electronics-to-halt-production-at-its-last-computer-factory-in-china-idUSKBN24X3K4

It did not state where the production was moving to.

I suspect this has more to do with the authoritarian moves of the CCP on Hong Kong and the ethinic group they are sending to 're-education camps' and forcing sterilization of their women. Perhaps also China not putting pressure on N. Korea to cease its sabre rattling at S. Korea.

If it was COVID and supply chains, there are countries in the world with worse situations than China.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 8/2/2020 2:38:18 PM   
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Actually I am talking both. There are different versions, but read about them. It's changed remarkably little between variants, and the dominant form now appears to simply be just enough more contagious (with a variation on the spike protein connector) to have begun to dominate all other variants.

Being more contagious makes it more dangerous, but also would actually make it easier to get immunity to currently since this variant is beginning to dominate the worldwide outbreak.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200702144054.htm

The SARS-CoV-2 virus has a low mutation rate overall (much lower than the viruses that cause influenza and HIV-AIDS). The D614G variant appears as part of a set of four linked mutations that appear to have arisen once and then moved together around the world as a consistent set of variations.

"It's remarkable to me," commented Will Fischer of Los Alamos, an author on the study, "both that this increase in infectivity was detected by careful observation of sequence data alone, and that our experimental colleagues could confirm it with live virus in such a short time."

Fortunately, "the clinical data in this paper from Sheffield showed that even though patients with the new G virus carried more copies of the virus than patients infected with D, there wasn't a corresponding increase in the severity of illness," said Saphire, who leads the Gates Foundation-supported Coronavirus Immunotherapy Consortium (CoVIC).



This is interesting.

The attention lavished on G614 may obscure a bigger question, however: With the virus having spread to at least 11 million people worldwide, why aren’t more mutations that affect its behavior emerging?

Perhaps there’s just little selection pressure on the virus as it races through millions of immunologically naïve people, scientists say. That could change with the advent of vaccines or new therapies, forcing the virus to evolve. But it could also indicate that the virus has been with people longer than we know, and was spreading before the first known cases in Wuhan, China, in December 2019. “The evolution of this virus to become a human pathogen may have already happened and we missed it,” Rasmussen says.

Wang thinks a version of the virus may have circulated earlier in humans in southern Asia, perhaps flying under the radar because it didn’t cause severe disease. “If it happens in a small or remote village, even with some people dying, nobody is going to know there’s a spillover,” Wang says. The virus could then have infected an animal that was brought to Wuhan and started the pandemic.

At Dutch mink farms, after all, the virus jumped not just from humans to animals, but also back from animals to humans, Wang says. “If that can happen in the Netherlands, surely it can happen in a village in Thailand, or in Yunnan province in southern China.”


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/pandemic-virus-slowly-mutating-it-getting-more-dangerous

There was a report last month that researchers in SPAIN had found genetic evidence of the virus in a case from early 2019. Just one more mystery about this thing.
Anyway, I started out thinking the world could get this thing under control fairly quickly (like - by May or June) and had some hope that the predictions of it fading in warm weather would be true. My optimism has been set back severely so I no longer point to hints of hope - most have not worked out.

My current thoughts are that we must assume it will be with us for the foreseeable future and set up our social systems to limit its spread as much as we can. That includes adjusting expectations of being able to move about freely or without restrictions on contact with others. Ideally, every country would clamp down enough to get the transmission down to very small numbers and then we could get maximum movement and trade with vigilant monitoring and virus suppression as it tries to spread again. It just requires human will and lots of money to get through the clampdowns.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 8/2/2020 2:42:08 PM   
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This also interesting. Sill looking at the Diamond princess as an enclosed case study in transmission. Aerosols becoming more and more likely as main mode of transmission.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/health/diamond-princess-coronavirus-aerosol.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

In a new report, a research team based at Harvard and the Illinois Institute of Technology has tried to tease out the ways in which the virus passed from person to person in the staterooms, corridors and common areas of the Diamond Princess. It found that the virus spread most readily in microscopic droplets that were light enough to float in the air, for several minutes or much longer.

For example, ventilation systems that “turn over” or replace the air in a room or building as often as possible, preferably drawing on external air to do so, should make indoor spaces healthier. But good ventilation is not enough; the Diamond Princess was well ventilated and the air did not recirculate, the researchers noted. So wearing good-quality masks — standard surgical masks, or cloth masks with multiple layers rather than just one — will most likely be needed as well, even in well-ventilated spaces where people are keeping their distance.



My cloth mask - made by a lady in Winnipeg - has pouch between layers in which you can insert a shop-towel filter (a kind of lint-free cloth). The instructions are to soak the liner in heavily salted water and then dry it before placing it in the mask pouch. The salt absorbs moisture and can kill germs. Every so often you can take it out and renew the salt.


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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 8/2/2020 3:00:27 PM   
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I reported earlier about a mask with replaceable N-95 filters, the mask itself is washable.

But people have to learn that when you are ill that you take precautions so they do not share what they have.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 8/2/2020 3:05:03 PM   
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I reported earlier about a mask with replaceable N-95 filters, the mask itself is washable.

But people have to learn that when you are ill that you take precautions so they do not share what they have.

I hope you are over the illness you felt a while back?

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 8/2/2020 3:24:52 PM   
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I reported earlier about a mask with replaceable N-95 filters, the mask itself is washable.

But people have to learn that when you are ill that you take precautions so they do not share what they have.

I hope you are over the illness you felt a while back?


The sinusitis has calmed down. The nice hot day with a high of about 16C with the gentle breeze coming in on an ear made it much worse. The kittens like the open window. But I need to get my head examined for a few reasons and I might have to have part of it removed - or at least repaired.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 8/2/2020 5:57:10 PM   
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I reported earlier about a mask with replaceable N-95 filters, the mask itself is washable.

But people have to learn that when you are ill that you take precautions so they do not share what they have.

I hope you are over the illness you felt a while back?


The sinusitis has calmed down. The nice hot day with a high of about 16C with the gentle breeze coming in on an ear made it much worse. The kittens like the open window. But I need to get my head examined for a few reasons and I might have to have part of it removed - or at least repaired.

Oh no! Not another hole picture!
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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 8/2/2020 6:29:18 PM   
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South Africa's COVID-19 cases surpass half a million

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-safrica/south-africa-covid-19-cases-surpass-half-a-million-says-health-ministry-idUSKBN24X41I

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 8/2/2020 6:32:18 PM   
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Meanwhile, in the jelly doughnut place:

Thousands march in Berlin against coronavirus curbs

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-protests/thousands-march-in-berlin-against-coronavirus-curbs-idUSKBN24X3RZ

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 8/2/2020 6:36:44 PM   
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Why Dr. Birx Says the Coronavirus Pandemic Is Different Than in March

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/08/02/watch-dr-birx-explains-what-the-new-phase-of-the-coronavirus-pandemic-means-n2573563

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 8/2/2020 6:43:46 PM   
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Texas Had a Major Error In its Wuhan Coronavirus Numbers

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The Texas Department of State Health Services (DSHS) on Thursday corrected its Wuhan coronavirus fatality numbers for the week of July 27th. According to DSHS, 225 people were included in the COVID-19 death toll numbers despite the coronavirus not being the direct cause of their death.

"An automation error caused approximately 225 fatalities to be included even though COVID-19 was not listed as a direct cause of death on the death certificate," the agency said.

According to the Daily Wire, the state of Texas' coronavirus dashboard had a note about the correction:

July 30: Cumulative fatalities have been corrected for July 27, 28 and 29. As DSHS shifted to using death certificate data to count fatalities this week, an automation error caused approximately 225 fatalities to be included that did not have COVID-19 listed as a direct cause of death. A manual quality check revealed the issue late Wednesday.

This isn't the first time there have been "mistakes" related to Wuhan coronavirus numbers. In Orange County, California, 30,000 serology tests – used to detect whether or not a person has antibodies for the virus, suggesting they previously had an infection – were counted in the "cumulative tests to date" figures for five weeks. In Florida, Orlando's positivity rate was said to be 98 percent, when, in reality, it was only 9.4 percent. Part of the issue was the number of clinics and labs that were reporting 100 percent positivity rates.

Health care officials wonder why people are so skeptical of the number of Wuhan coronavirus cases and the fatality rate because there are numerous reporters on the state and local level that show things aren't being accurately counted. Serology tests are being reported as positive cases and people are being counted as coronavirus deaths if they previously had the infection and died (even if their death isn't a result of the virus itself).

Our response to the virus is only as good as our health care officials and data. And right now, both appear to be lacking any kind of credibility.


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/08/01/why-one-state-had-to-correct-its-wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll-numbers-n2573546

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 8/2/2020 7:30:42 PM   
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Actually I am talking both. There are different versions, but read about them. It's changed remarkably little between variants, and the dominant form now appears to simply be just enough more contagious (with a variation on the spike protein connector) to have begun to dominate all other variants.

Being more contagious makes it more dangerous, but also would actually make it easier to get immunity to currently since this variant is beginning to dominate the worldwide outbreak.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200702144054.htm

The SARS-CoV-2 virus has a low mutation rate overall (much lower than the viruses that cause influenza and HIV-AIDS). The D614G variant appears as part of a set of four linked mutations that appear to have arisen once and then moved together around the world as a consistent set of variations.

"It's remarkable to me," commented Will Fischer of Los Alamos, an author on the study, "both that this increase in infectivity was detected by careful observation of sequence data alone, and that our experimental colleagues could confirm it with live virus in such a short time."

Fortunately, "the clinical data in this paper from Sheffield showed that even though patients with the new G virus carried more copies of the virus than patients infected with D, there wasn't a corresponding increase in the severity of illness," said Saphire, who leads the Gates Foundation-supported Coronavirus Immunotherapy Consortium (CoVIC).



This is interesting.

The attention lavished on G614 may obscure a bigger question, however: With the virus having spread to at least 11 million people worldwide, why aren’t more mutations that affect its behavior emerging?

Perhaps there’s just little selection pressure on the virus as it races through millions of immunologically naïve people, scientists say. That could change with the advent of vaccines or new therapies, forcing the virus to evolve. But it could also indicate that the virus has been with people longer than we know, and was spreading before the first known cases in Wuhan, China, in December 2019. “The evolution of this virus to become a human pathogen may have already happened and we missed it,” Rasmussen says.

Wang thinks a version of the virus may have circulated earlier in humans in southern Asia, perhaps flying under the radar because it didn’t cause severe disease. “If it happens in a small or remote village, even with some people dying, nobody is going to know there’s a spillover,” Wang says. The virus could then have infected an animal that was brought to Wuhan and started the pandemic.

At Dutch mink farms, after all, the virus jumped not just from humans to animals, but also back from animals to humans, Wang says. “If that can happen in the Netherlands, surely it can happen in a village in Thailand, or in Yunnan province in southern China.”


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/pandemic-virus-slowly-mutating-it-getting-more-dangerous

There was a report last month that researchers in SPAIN had found genetic evidence of the virus in a case from early 2019. Just one more mystery about this thing.




A lot of experts are discounting this finding as no other evidence of it's prevalence was found in any of the subsequent samples until January 2020.

It's also positive for only one of the three indicator genes that are tested for. Seems odd, still, but what if an earlier version of this thing was around but it wasn't as contagious or virulent. It has evolved for a while to transition to humans, and maybe earlier forms were circulating in 2019. This could explain the oddly mild cases in many people, that they might have had something before that gave them some immune protection.

I do know anecdotally that there are reports of a bad flu-like disease around in the late summer and early autumn in China. The symptoms sound just like Covid from the reports. And not like other flus.

One day we may know more.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 8/2/2020 7:34:32 PM   
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Texas Had a Major Error In its Wuhan Coronavirus Numbers

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The Texas Department of State Health Services (DSHS) on Thursday corrected its Wuhan coronavirus fatality numbers for the week of July 27th. According to DSHS, 225 people were included in the COVID-19 death toll numbers despite the coronavirus not being the direct cause of their death.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/08/01/why-one-state-had-to-correct-its-wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll-numbers-n2573546



The accepted term is Covid-19, which is used in the Texas DSHS tweet referenced by the article.

Apparently townhall.com is still trying to fight the rhetoric battle and blaming China for this one. No reason for you to echo their inappropriate term.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 8/2/2020 9:59:34 PM   
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Texas Had a Major Error In its Wuhan Coronavirus Numbers

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The Texas Department of State Health Services (DSHS) on Thursday corrected its Wuhan coronavirus fatality numbers for the week of July 27th. According to DSHS, 225 people were included in the COVID-19 death toll numbers despite the coronavirus not being the direct cause of their death.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/08/01/why-one-state-had-to-correct-its-wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll-numbers-n2573546



The accepted term is Covid-19, which is used in the Texas DSHS tweet referenced by the article.

Apparently townhall.com is still trying to fight the rhetoric battle and blaming China for this one. No reason for you to echo their inappropriate term.


I only quoted what was there so phuc uwe.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 8/2/2020 10:21:31 PM   
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A shah is ill:

India's interior minister hospitalised with coronavirus

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India's interior minister hospitalised with coronavirus


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-india/indias-interior-minister-hospitalised-with-coronavirus-idUSKBN24Y0D2

And what coronavirus? Where was it first known? Why, Wuhan China!

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 8/2/2020 10:39:00 PM   
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At least 40 infected with COVID-19 on Norway cruises amid scramble to trace passengers

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-norway-cruiseship/at-least-40-infected-with-covid-19-on-norway-cruises-amid-scramble-to-trace-passengers-idUSKBN24Y0LO

Where was it first known? Why, Wuhan China!

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 8/2/2020 10:45:04 PM   
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Kosovo prime minister says he has COVID-19

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-kosovo-primeminist/kosovo-prime-minister-says-he-has-covid-19-idUSKBN24Y0ON

Where was it first known? Why, Wuhan China!

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 8/2/2020 10:50:19 PM   
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'Major incident' declared in British city of Manchester to tackle COVID-19

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-health-coronavirus-britain-man-idUSKBN24Y0NU

Where was it first known? Why, Wuhan China!

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 8/3/2020 12:24:35 AM   
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I find it quite sad that the US is still fighting the rhetoric battle over what to call Covid.

The rest of the world has managed to move on, it seems.

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I only quoted what was there so phuc uwe.

Tsk* - language, RJ! It's spelled ewe!

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'Major incident' declared in British city of Manchester to tackle COVID-19

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-health-coronavirus-britain-man-idUSKBN24Y0NU

Where was it first known? Why, Wuhan China!

OK, we know that Wuhan was the first place actually reporting it as a new virus. But calling it the Wuhan Virus plays into the narrative that they created the virus there and intentionally let it spread to the rest of the world. Let's not get into those conspiracy theories.

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'Major incident' declared in British city of Manchester to tackle COVID-19

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-health-coronavirus-britain-man-idUSKBN24Y0NU

Where was it first known? Why, Wuhan China!

OK, we know that Wuhan was the first place actually reporting it as a new virus. But calling it the Wuhan Virus plays into the narrative that they created the virus there and intentionally let it spread to the rest of the world. Let's not get into those conspiracy theories.


I only quoted what was in the article and copied the url. I will not tell people what to call it. I just was reminding people where it was first detected.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 8/3/2020 4:16:24 AM   
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I only quoted what was there so phuc uwe.

Tsk* - language, RJ! It's spelled ewe!


No, Uwe is a name. I just forgot to capitalize it. Phuc is also a name and I forgot to capitalize it.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 8/3/2020 5:57:52 AM   
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'Major incident' declared in British city of Manchester to tackle COVID-19

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-health-coronavirus-britain-man-idUSKBN24Y0NU

Where was it first known? Why, Wuhan China!

OK, we know that Wuhan was the first place actually reporting it as a new virus. But calling it the Wuhan Virus plays into the narrative that they created the virus there and intentionally let it spread to the rest of the world. Let's not get into those conspiracy theories.


I only quoted what was in the article and copied the url. I will not tell people what to call it. I just was reminding people where it was first detected.


Oh, so "I only quoted" and "I was just reminding people" are the same? Your rhetoric is slipping.

I love how after any post where you call people names you then spam a bunch of posts together with anything to cover your tracks so the moderators won't notice. Very clever.

On the more relevant information here, Manchester and some areas in NW England have been locked down again. It seems the UK is now doing what is necessary early on and trying to stop runaway spikes in any area showing growth. The numbers aren't too bad yet according to what we know, which is good. Much less than some rural counties in the states. (Only using for comparison of data and response, not pointing any fingers).

According to a rolling seven-day rate of new cases of Covid-19 compiled by the PA news agency, Oldham has the second highest rate of new cases per 100,000 people out of all local authorities in England.

The seven-day rate in Oldham jumped from 41.6 to 62.8, with 148 new cases – behind only Blackburn with Darwen.

Other areas reporting notable week-on-week rises in Greater Manchester include Trafford (up from 31.3 to 38.1, with 90 new cases); Manchester (up from 18.6 to 34.3, with 188 new cases); Tameside (up from 12.9 to 28.4, with 64 new cases) and Stockport (up from 13.7 to 22.6, with 66 new cases).


In my home state of Oregon some rural counties have ben rapidly increasing. Umatilla county has 58 per 100,000 right now. That's high desert farming and ranching country.

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No spamming, just information from diverse places.

Just more chickwaste to try and steer the information to how you want it presented and from where.

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