A perhaps less volatile and more profitable argument can be made for learning from the initial wave difficulties that some countries faced, and put in preparations so that those same mistakes can be avoided. There are well documented issues with the initial response to the virus by the UK government, and many of those revolve around not learning from Italy, not listening to a broad medical base (with actual frontline hospital leaders in the discussions) and not implementing lockdowns more quickly.
Objectively, in non-political terms, it's not hard to find the best solutions to fighting this disease. We've listed them in this thread many times. In Europe Germany has done very well. They have been aggressive, determined to reduce cases by requiring social distancing, mask-wearing and protocols, track and trace existing cases, test as much as possible and implement local and larger lockdowns when needed. They also have a medical monitoring program for all who test positive for Covid so that they can be prevented from getting too serious before getting medical treatment and have done better at keeping it out of care homes.
So let each contributing member decide how this plays out politically for their own country, but the models are ready to be followed, and if more countries adopt similar approaches, it will save lives. This is fact.
New York checking in. Yup, we did the same stuff and had the same level of success. Any other state looking to flatten the curve need only look to New York State. The methods are not difficult to understand. You just need to do the work to get the results. The United States could get to New York State/ German levels in 6-8 weeks if the just did the work. We could have a real reopening by October 1 and all schools reopened right after Thanksgiving. Or, we can continue to watch "Karen" bitch about wearing a mask on Twitter
New York is not the place to emulate since the state had nursing homes take Covid-19 patients instead of isolating them.
South Korea is the place to emulate.
We have been through this a dozen times. New York is near or at the bottom of the nation average for nursing home mortality. That is just an inconvenient fact I’m afraid. As for flattening a curve? Korea had no curve to flatten so you can’t really emulate them in that respect. Most of the United States has a curve to flatten. New York remains the best example of how to do just that.
So after a dozen times you still can't comprehend it.
Korea had no curve to flatten because they had few cases because of their preparedness. That is what you want to emulate. Not New York City which could not even maintain their stockpile of masks and ventilators. That was set up a few years back. But New York City is not the only entity which did not maintain their stockpiles. But the best is not needing the stuff in the first place.
I think you missed John's point - that NY is a better case in point because it did have a massive outbreak and had to suppress it with max effort at every level. Because Korea never got a massive outbreak, it does not show the example of how to overcome it.
I don't know what the stuff about "maintaining stockpiles" has to do with it - as the first place in the US with a massive problem, NY was first to try and get its hands on PPE and met all kinds of interference from various quarters. And some of the PPE from National Stockpiles transferred to NY was faulty, time expired junk. In all the chaos it would be understandable if something was not handled well - but they knew what they were trying to do and they put max effort into doing it. If there is any lesson from NY and Italy, it is that half-hearted measures are not enough - you need to get strict with the people to ensure the virus does not spread faster than it can be dealt with because there will always be some who think the rules don't apply to them.
When Bloomberg was the mayor, New York City had a stockpile. You need to rotate your stockpile so things do not get expired. As an example, if they had an item with a five year life, release it after say 4 years to get used but replace it with fresh items. First In, First Out (FIFO) as the bean counters would say. That goes for any entity that has a stockpile of anything, including a family.
Go back and read what Korea had set up years before this outbreak. Something like that, thought out and tested, would be far better than what happened elsewhere. Taiwan and Japan also had good outcomes. But also, the places that had the population vaccinated by the TB vaccines had better outcomes because of the benefits there so maybe get back with those. There are different varieties of said vaccine so check so see which ones seemed to have better outcomes than others.
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