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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/10/2020 6:28:14 PM   
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on a lighter note: https://imgur.com/gallery/UQknnJN


An uptick in babies born in 8 to 9 months?

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/10/2020 6:44:12 PM   
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on a lighter note: https://imgur.com/gallery/UQknnJN


After a night's bombing another victim of the London Blitz is pulled to safety.


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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/10/2020 7:15:20 PM   
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on a lighter note: https://imgur.com/gallery/UQknnJN


Looking at those pictures only one thing comes to mind, God is so going to smite us.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/10/2020 9:31:20 PM   
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So much crappy politics here. All of the time I think that you are still the crying bunch of lunatic babies that pissed me off so much because I did not buy into your PBEM players are so far superior to EVERYONE else routine.

Obliviously, it only becomes politics when the moderator says it is - regardless of their political leanings.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/10/2020 11:20:47 PM   
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This is not in reply to the person this post replies to.

So much crappy politics here. All of the time I think that you are still the crying bunch of lunatic babies that pissed me off so much because I did not buy into your PBEM players are so far superior to EVERYONE else routine.

Obliviously, it only becomes politics when the moderator says it is - regardless of their political leanings.

Uh-oh! Sounds like you need to install the new "-noGun" switch for the game to ensure your monitor keeps working ....

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/10/2020 11:34:39 PM   
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This is not in reply to the person this post replies to.

So much crappy politics here. All of the time I think that you are still the crying bunch of lunatic babies that pissed me off so much because I did not buy into your PBEM players are so far superior to EVERYONE else routine.

Obliviously, it only becomes politics when the moderator says it is - regardless of their political leanings.

Uh-oh! Sounds like you need to install the new "-noGun" switch for the game to ensure your monitor keeps working ....


Well, I have never played ONE PBEM game yet so I must not be included.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/11/2020 1:23:15 AM   
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DD - you might want to have another drink. Or not. Chill. We cannot change history, only learn from it.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/11/2020 1:38:51 PM   
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on a lighter note: https://imgur.com/gallery/UQknnJN


After a night's bombing another victim of the London Blitz is pulled to safety.




During the past few months we forgot what fun looks like for most of Britain!

I am worried, on a serious note, that things could go very wrong here in a few weeks. Many places are much better though. My wife went out to dinner and had a great time last night. Said all was done very carefully, she ate outside, everyone behaved. So hopefully this is a small visible portion of the community and the majority are heading warnings and staying a bit more safe.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/12/2020 2:40:38 AM   
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Researchers find rise in broken heart syndrome during COVID-19 pandemic
Broken heart syndrome, or stress cardiomyopathy, occurs in response to stressful events

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200709141603.htm

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/12/2020 2:42:00 AM   
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Doctors start seeing new coronavirus symptom patterns in young patients

https://bgr.com/2020/07/11/coronavirus-symptoms-young-adults-migraines-abdominal-pain-diarrhea-cdc/

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/12/2020 2:42:55 AM   
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The FDA warns that 55 hand sanitizer brands are toxic and potentially deadly

https://bgr.com/2020/07/11/hand-sanitizer-fda-toxic-methanol-blindness-mexico/

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/12/2020 2:46:00 AM   
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Serbia police detain 71 after 4th night of virus protests

https://www.foxnews.com/world/serbia-police-detain-71-4th-night-coronavirus-protests

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/12/2020 2:47:17 AM   
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COVID-19 in Chicago: numbers stable, 18- to 29-year-olds now have most daily cases
Chicago’s health commissioner says the overall number of coronavirus cases in the city remains stable despite a rise in cases elsewhere in the country.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/7/10/21320504/younger-covid-19-victims-chicago-lincoln-park-new-city

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/12/2020 5:10:29 AM   
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Yes, You Can Get Covid-19 Twice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhyEBIpaIaM

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/12/2020 7:23:20 AM   
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Yes, You Can Get Covid-19 Twice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhyEBIpaIaM



While this is very interesting this presentation is by no means definitive. Most assertions here are based on the absence of antibodies in many with mild cases or even several months after more serious cases.

Studies (linked above in this thread) have also proven that antibodies can be recreated even if not currently present in the body. Some also have seemed to be reinfected by internal reservoirs of the virus that never quite left the body.

We should act as if we can get it twice, but hope that we can't until definitely proven otherwise. The stress of not seeing an end to this could be debilitating both personally and potentially economically.

< Message edited by obvert -- 7/12/2020 7:25:26 AM >


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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/12/2020 9:27:00 AM   
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DD - you might want to have another drink. Or not. Chill. We cannot change history, only learn from it.

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only learn from it.

Or not

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/12/2020 9:30:00 AM   
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Some neighborhoods in NYC have a 68% positive rate for antibodies so the great herd immunity experiment likely be conducted in NYC https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-antibodies.html

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/12/2020 10:12:27 AM   
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DD - you might want to have another drink. Or not. Chill. We cannot change history, only learn from it.

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only learn from it.

Or not

I would hope that most people on this forum would know to learn from history. Maybe we could boot the 'or not' ones

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/12/2020 2:56:39 PM   
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Hi Obvert. I thought it was a very strong presentation for the case. I am not on any particular 'political' side here and have no desire to make it a political issue on these forums. Regards.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/12/2020 3:22:23 PM   
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“Public Health in the Untied States is a State and Local Issue” is simply not true. This is a global pandemic. This is a national issue whether we choose to accept that or not. Treating this as a local issue is near sighted and ignorant. That attitude has resulted in the single largest health crisis in the history of our nation. The notion is simply wrong and one need simply to count the bodies or the 3 million cases to see how wrong it is. That approach is killing people needlessly every day. Once again we see Florida trying to hide and obscure data, this time unsuccessfully https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-sheriff-wins-battle-with-de-santis-administration-over-coronavirus-data-174305203.html. BTW, DeSantis is clearly not up to the task. Maybe he is lying to himself or is simply stupid. The results of his incompetence speak for themselves. On a personal note, I’ve know a lot of drunks in my life and can pick them out a mile away. Take a look at DeSantis thirsty face, clearly he needs to resign and dry out


While I agree with some things you're saying here and the administration in Florida seems to be continually attempting to manipulate reporting around Covid, the comments at the bottom about DeSantis need something to back them up.

He's a Yale grad and went on to Harvard Law so on that track record "stupid" may not be an accurate descriptor. Hubris and political self-interest can make the smartest leaders make bad decisions. As for the claims you can tell from video and images that he's a "drunk," you may suspect that but do you have any way of knowing that. Does this come from some source?

I'd be shocked and angry to be labelled that way by someone I'd never met.

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He's a Yale grad and went on to Harvard Law so on that track record "stupid" may not be an accurate descriptor.



Much as I would like to think graduating from an Ivy league school automatically made you smart one needs only look so far as the Kayleigh McEnany's Harvard law diploma to call that theory into question. Perhaps the problem is these "geniuses" have law degrees and not science or engineering degrees. Whenever either one of these nitwits start spouting "science" it is quickly clear they have no idea what they are talking about. Most of the countries and states that allowed science to dictate their decisions are doing considerably better that the nations and states that were misled by political and short-sighted economic factors. We are in a worse place than we were 5 months ago and it isn't because the science was wrong. Lawyers only have to be smart enough to listen to the science, it's clear what happens when they don't. Having lawyers trying to tackle what is unquestionably a science problem is profoundly stupid, no matter where your law degree is from.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/12/2020 3:55:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: fcooke

DD - you might want to have another drink. Or not. Chill. We cannot change history, only learn from it.

quote:

only learn from it.

Or not

I would hope that most people on this forum would know to learn from history. Maybe we could boot the 'or not' ones

Alas, all data is subject to "interpretation" from which we draw our "lessons". Different interpretations will result in different lessons. As always, history will be written and taught by the dominant group.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/12/2020 4:00:13 PM   
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Much as I would like to think graduating from an Ivy league school automatically made you smart one needs only look so far as the Kayleigh McEnany's Harvard law diploma to call that theory into question. Perhaps the problem is these "geniuses" have law degrees and not science or engineering degrees. Whenever either one of these nitwits start spouting "science" it is quickly clear they have no idea what they are talking about. Most of the countries and states that allowed science to dictate their decisions are doing considerably better that the nations and states that were misled by political and short-sighted economic factors. We are in a worse place than we were 5 months ago and it isn't because the science was wrong. Lawyers only have to be smart enough to listen to the science, it's clear what happens when they don't. Having lawyers trying to tackle what is unquestionably a science problem is profoundly stupid, no matter where your law degree is from.

Here you go:

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A Virus Worse Than Covid-19

There should be no doubt that Coronavirus is not the flu, and not like the flu. The incoming science tells us it is far more insidious in its contagious abilities. It has killed people. It also has exposed areas where the United States must immediately shore-up it’s abilities: the production of PPE’s and the production of drugs being at the top amongst a laundry list of items.

There should also be no doubt that members of the media have worked in an overtime capacity to spin coronavirus to invoke repeated attacks on President Trump. One can say that Trump deserves blame for the coronavirus response, but to do so, they must bring receipts; proof of the wrongdoing. If you cast blame, you need to be able to back it up.

Backing up the case against the media is, unfortunately, too easy. On cable news and in print, setting the Narrative – On Trump and Dr. Anthony Fauci, on Gov. Andrew Cuomo vs. Gov. Ron DeSantis, on Republican states vs. Democrat states, on lockdowns vs. liberty – has become job number one.

Narrative, as I define it, is the story pushed and perpetuated by American media, cultural elite and academia to ridicule, reduce and/or remove their cultural and political foes.

The latest example of Narrative was the Memorial Day Weekend edition of the New York Times. The headline read, “US Deaths Near 100,000. An Incalculable Loss.

As Noah Rothman wrote at Commentary Magazine: “Narrative journalism” is all the rage, in part, because it’s a smart business strategy. As the abstract of one 2019 study explained: “Views on the promises of narrative journalism stress its supposed positive influence on audience engagement and appreciation, an asset of increasing importance in light of the current crisis in journalism that is characterized by declining newspaper circulation.” And while the concept of narrative is an element in all storytelling, telling a tale in a compelling fashion is not synonymous with the prosecutorial portrayal of the facts in evidence. Indeed, these two objectives are sometimes in direct conflict.

But that business strategy comes not from an economic platform, but from an ideological one. In the case of coronavirus, the ideology states that Trump must be blamed at all costs. For example, Trump must be blamed for shutting down travel between China and the US, under the guise of xenophobia. Then, when circumstances changed, and it became clear that shutting down travel from China was beneficial, Trump must be blamed for not shutting down travel quick enough, and not just for Chinese nationals. Trump should have shut down the ability for American citizens to return to America!

The data matters not. The facts simply dispensable. The focus neither health nor safety. It’s about Power. Winning. Victory. The ends always justifying the means.

The Times uses dead Americans as a prop to move the Narrative. Does anyone doubt this conceptual art piece on the front page of the Times isn’t saying, “Look! Look at all the people Trump killed?”

A quick point about the list that was produced. Six names in, and you find someone who didn’t die from coronavirus. He was murdered: As was pointed out on Twitter:

Umm pic.twitter.com/eLPsmYZRS0
— Timothy Crimmins (@timcrimmins) May 23, 2020

What faith should one have in the New York Times? The answer, unfortunately, is none. For the Times, and their seemingly morally bankrupt editorial board, setting the Narrative of Trump’s “guilt” is more important than the truth. Calling Trump a murderer is journalism, and laying out their case with facts is just unnecessary distraction.

Adding to this failure is that the Times fails to notice that while Trump is their target, the victim of their egregious onslaught is you, me and we. It is the American citizen that loses the most in this failure. The New York Times might gain clicks, but the American people lose faith in the institutions that are supposed to keep us unbiasedly updated, and help us make informed decisions.

This Times piece is all Narrative. Want to talk about deaths? Talk about the arcane rules that New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo forced nursing homes to comply with. The same rules, known to lead to deaths, were forced upon the people of Michigan by Gov. Gretchen Whitmer.

On this, there are receipts. Cobble Hill Health Center CEO Donny Tuchman begged to place patients with Covid-19 at the Javits Center field hospital, or on the United States Naval Ship Comfort; he was denied by Gov. Cuomo. All nursing homes in New York were told they must comply; they must accept coronavirus patients if they want to get funding. Only recently has Gov. Cuomo changed course, seeing the death toll of his horrific policies. Gov. Whitmer has finally changed course in Michigan.

Their policies led to deaths. In Florida, Gov. Ron DeSantis’ policies protected nursing homes. But in American media, Gov. Cuomo is considered a hero and Gov. DeSantis is attacked vigorously. The facts show that DeSantis was right and Cuomo was wrong. The Narrative sells that Democrats are heroes and Republicans are failing the people.

Narrative – desire over facts – is more dangerous than Covid-19. And those it harms will take up far more than the front page of the Ideological Times.


https://www.wibc.com/blogs/tony-katz/a-virus-worse-than-covid-19/

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/12/2020 4:26:21 PM   
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BREAKING: Sunday, Florida reported the most new COVID-19 cases any state has in a single day, 15,300. This blew past the previous high, 12,274 by New York on April 4, by 3,026 or 24.6%.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article244173462.html

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/12/2020 5:43:13 PM   
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My patient caught Covid-19 twice. So long to herd immunity hopes. Emerging cases of Covid-19 reinfection suggest herd immunity is wishful thinking.

https://www.vox.com/2020/7/12/21321653/getting-covid-19-twice-reinfection-antibody-herd-immunity

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/12/2020 5:45:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

Much as I would like to think graduating from an Ivy league school automatically made you smart one needs only look so far as the Kayleigh McEnany's Harvard law diploma to call that theory into question. Perhaps the problem is these "geniuses" have law degrees and not science or engineering degrees. Whenever either one of these nitwits start spouting "science" it is quickly clear they have no idea what they are talking about. Most of the countries and states that allowed science to dictate their decisions are doing considerably better that the nations and states that were misled by political and short-sighted economic factors. We are in a worse place than we were 5 months ago and it isn't because the science was wrong. Lawyers only have to be smart enough to listen to the science, it's clear what happens when they don't. Having lawyers trying to tackle what is unquestionably a science problem is profoundly stupid, no matter where your law degree is from.

Here you go:

quote:

A Virus Worse Than Covid-19

There should be no doubt that Coronavirus is not the flu, and not like the flu. The incoming science tells us it is far more insidious in its contagious abilities. It has killed people. It also has exposed areas where the United States must immediately shore-up it’s abilities: the production of PPE’s and the production of drugs being at the top amongst a laundry list of items.

There should also be no doubt that members of the media have worked in an overtime capacity to spin coronavirus to invoke repeated attacks on President Trump. One can say that Trump deserves blame for the coronavirus response, but to do so, they must bring receipts; proof of the wrongdoing. If you cast blame, you need to be able to back it up.

Backing up the case against the media is, unfortunately, too easy. On cable news and in print, setting the Narrative – On Trump and Dr. Anthony Fauci, on Gov. Andrew Cuomo vs. Gov. Ron DeSantis, on Republican states vs. Democrat states, on lockdowns vs. liberty – has become job number one.

Narrative, as I define it, is the story pushed and perpetuated by American media, cultural elite and academia to ridicule, reduce and/or remove their cultural and political foes.

The latest example of Narrative was the Memorial Day Weekend edition of the New York Times. The headline read, “US Deaths Near 100,000. An Incalculable Loss.

As Noah Rothman wrote at Commentary Magazine: “Narrative journalism” is all the rage, in part, because it’s a smart business strategy. As the abstract of one 2019 study explained: “Views on the promises of narrative journalism stress its supposed positive influence on audience engagement and appreciation, an asset of increasing importance in light of the current crisis in journalism that is characterized by declining newspaper circulation.” And while the concept of narrative is an element in all storytelling, telling a tale in a compelling fashion is not synonymous with the prosecutorial portrayal of the facts in evidence. Indeed, these two objectives are sometimes in direct conflict.

But that business strategy comes not from an economic platform, but from an ideological one. In the case of coronavirus, the ideology states that Trump must be blamed at all costs. For example, Trump must be blamed for shutting down travel between China and the US, under the guise of xenophobia. Then, when circumstances changed, and it became clear that shutting down travel from China was beneficial, Trump must be blamed for not shutting down travel quick enough, and not just for Chinese nationals. Trump should have shut down the ability for American citizens to return to America!

The data matters not. The facts simply dispensable. The focus neither health nor safety. It’s about Power. Winning. Victory. The ends always justifying the means.

The Times uses dead Americans as a prop to move the Narrative. Does anyone doubt this conceptual art piece on the front page of the Times isn’t saying, “Look! Look at all the people Trump killed?”

A quick point about the list that was produced. Six names in, and you find someone who didn’t die from coronavirus. He was murdered: As was pointed out on Twitter:

Umm pic.twitter.com/eLPsmYZRS0
— Timothy Crimmins (@timcrimmins) May 23, 2020

What faith should one have in the New York Times? The answer, unfortunately, is none. For the Times, and their seemingly morally bankrupt editorial board, setting the Narrative of Trump’s “guilt” is more important than the truth. Calling Trump a murderer is journalism, and laying out their case with facts is just unnecessary distraction.

Adding to this failure is that the Times fails to notice that while Trump is their target, the victim of their egregious onslaught is you, me and we. It is the American citizen that loses the most in this failure. The New York Times might gain clicks, but the American people lose faith in the institutions that are supposed to keep us unbiasedly updated, and help us make informed decisions.

This Times piece is all Narrative. Want to talk about deaths? Talk about the arcane rules that New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo forced nursing homes to comply with. The same rules, known to lead to deaths, were forced upon the people of Michigan by Gov. Gretchen Whitmer.

On this, there are receipts. Cobble Hill Health Center CEO Donny Tuchman begged to place patients with Covid-19 at the Javits Center field hospital, or on the United States Naval Ship Comfort; he was denied by Gov. Cuomo. All nursing homes in New York were told they must comply; they must accept coronavirus patients if they want to get funding. Only recently has Gov. Cuomo changed course, seeing the death toll of his horrific policies. Gov. Whitmer has finally changed course in Michigan.

Their policies led to deaths. In Florida, Gov. Ron DeSantis’ policies protected nursing homes. But in American media, Gov. Cuomo is considered a hero and Gov. DeSantis is attacked vigorously. The facts show that DeSantis was right and Cuomo was wrong. The Narrative sells that Democrats are heroes and Republicans are failing the people.

Narrative – desire over facts – is more dangerous than Covid-19. And those it harms will take up far more than the front page of the Ideological Times.


https://www.wibc.com/blogs/tony-katz/a-virus-worse-than-covid-19/


Tony Katz is a right wing talk show radio hack. BTW, not sure what the point of your post is . I didn't mention he NY Times at all. Yet you post some essay from propagandist with barely any journalistic credentials and you put it next to an organization with 125 Pulitzer prizes for journalism. For the record I work in Cobble Hill, and Mr Katz sits behind a mic in Indianapolis. Quick rule of thumb, anyone that uses he word "narrative" in every other sentence might as well just use the phrase "fake news". It's meaningless. Next you will be quoting Alex Jones or Brietbart. Perhaps post you own thoughts and analysis instead of doing a cut and paste of Rush Limbaugh wannabes

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/12/2020 6:40:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

Much as I would like to think graduating from an Ivy league school automatically made you smart one needs only look so far as the Kayleigh McEnany's Harvard law diploma to call that theory into question. Perhaps the problem is these "geniuses" have law degrees and not science or engineering degrees. Whenever either one of these nitwits start spouting "science" it is quickly clear they have no idea what they are talking about. Most of the countries and states that allowed science to dictate their decisions are doing considerably better that the nations and states that were misled by political and short-sighted economic factors. We are in a worse place than we were 5 months ago and it isn't because the science was wrong. Lawyers only have to be smart enough to listen to the science, it's clear what happens when they don't. Having lawyers trying to tackle what is unquestionably a science problem is profoundly stupid, no matter where your law degree is from.

Here you go:

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A Virus Worse Than Covid-19

There should be no doubt that Coronavirus is not the flu, and not like the flu. The incoming science tells us it is far more insidious in its contagious abilities. It has killed people. It also has exposed areas where the United States must immediately shore-up it’s abilities: the production of PPE’s and the production of drugs being at the top amongst a laundry list of items.

There should also be no doubt that members of the media have worked in an overtime capacity to spin coronavirus to invoke repeated attacks on President Trump. One can say that Trump deserves blame for the coronavirus response, but to do so, they must bring receipts; proof of the wrongdoing. If you cast blame, you need to be able to back it up.

Backing up the case against the media is, unfortunately, too easy. On cable news and in print, setting the Narrative – On Trump and Dr. Anthony Fauci, on Gov. Andrew Cuomo vs. Gov. Ron DeSantis, on Republican states vs. Democrat states, on lockdowns vs. liberty – has become job number one.

Narrative, as I define it, is the story pushed and perpetuated by American media, cultural elite and academia to ridicule, reduce and/or remove their cultural and political foes.

The latest example of Narrative was the Memorial Day Weekend edition of the New York Times. The headline read, “US Deaths Near 100,000. An Incalculable Loss.

As Noah Rothman wrote at Commentary Magazine: “Narrative journalism” is all the rage, in part, because it’s a smart business strategy. As the abstract of one 2019 study explained: “Views on the promises of narrative journalism stress its supposed positive influence on audience engagement and appreciation, an asset of increasing importance in light of the current crisis in journalism that is characterized by declining newspaper circulation.” And while the concept of narrative is an element in all storytelling, telling a tale in a compelling fashion is not synonymous with the prosecutorial portrayal of the facts in evidence. Indeed, these two objectives are sometimes in direct conflict.

But that business strategy comes not from an economic platform, but from an ideological one. In the case of coronavirus, the ideology states that Trump must be blamed at all costs. For example, Trump must be blamed for shutting down travel between China and the US, under the guise of xenophobia. Then, when circumstances changed, and it became clear that shutting down travel from China was beneficial, Trump must be blamed for not shutting down travel quick enough, and not just for Chinese nationals. Trump should have shut down the ability for American citizens to return to America!

The data matters not. The facts simply dispensable. The focus neither health nor safety. It’s about Power. Winning. Victory. The ends always justifying the means.

The Times uses dead Americans as a prop to move the Narrative. Does anyone doubt this conceptual art piece on the front page of the Times isn’t saying, “Look! Look at all the people Trump killed?”

A quick point about the list that was produced. Six names in, and you find someone who didn’t die from coronavirus. He was murdered: As was pointed out on Twitter:

Umm pic.twitter.com/eLPsmYZRS0
— Timothy Crimmins (@timcrimmins) May 23, 2020

What faith should one have in the New York Times? The answer, unfortunately, is none. For the Times, and their seemingly morally bankrupt editorial board, setting the Narrative of Trump’s “guilt” is more important than the truth. Calling Trump a murderer is journalism, and laying out their case with facts is just unnecessary distraction.

Adding to this failure is that the Times fails to notice that while Trump is their target, the victim of their egregious onslaught is you, me and we. It is the American citizen that loses the most in this failure. The New York Times might gain clicks, but the American people lose faith in the institutions that are supposed to keep us unbiasedly updated, and help us make informed decisions.

This Times piece is all Narrative. Want to talk about deaths? Talk about the arcane rules that New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo forced nursing homes to comply with. The same rules, known to lead to deaths, were forced upon the people of Michigan by Gov. Gretchen Whitmer.

On this, there are receipts. Cobble Hill Health Center CEO Donny Tuchman begged to place patients with Covid-19 at the Javits Center field hospital, or on the United States Naval Ship Comfort; he was denied by Gov. Cuomo. All nursing homes in New York were told they must comply; they must accept coronavirus patients if they want to get funding. Only recently has Gov. Cuomo changed course, seeing the death toll of his horrific policies. Gov. Whitmer has finally changed course in Michigan.

Their policies led to deaths. In Florida, Gov. Ron DeSantis’ policies protected nursing homes. But in American media, Gov. Cuomo is considered a hero and Gov. DeSantis is attacked vigorously. The facts show that DeSantis was right and Cuomo was wrong. The Narrative sells that Democrats are heroes and Republicans are failing the people.

Narrative – desire over facts – is more dangerous than Covid-19. And those it harms will take up far more than the front page of the Ideological Times.


https://www.wibc.com/blogs/tony-katz/a-virus-worse-than-covid-19/


Tony Katz is a right wing talk show radio hack. BTW, not sure what the point of your post is . I didn't mention he NY Times at all. Yet you post some essay from propagandist with barely any journalistic credentials and you put it next to an organization with 125 Pulitzer prizes for journalism. For the record I work in Cobble Hill, and Mr Katz sits behind a mic in Indianapolis. Quick rule of thumb, anyone that uses he word "narrative" in every other sentence might as well just use the phrase "fake news". It's meaningless. Next you will be quoting Alex Jones or Brietbart. Perhaps post you own thoughts and analysis instead of doing a cut and paste of Rush Limbaugh wannabes


That does not make them incorrect.

You also don't deny that a murder victim was wrongly listed as dying from Covid-19 on the "eminent" New York Times.

https://twitter.com/timcrimmins/status/1264340227436556291

You claim 125 Pulitzer prizes, I saw so what? That was in the past, this is now.

How about when a goat and a Papaya or Pawpaw tested positive for Covid-19?

You insult people who are not on here so they can't defend themselves. A law degree is a doctorate degree, what is their undergraduate degree(s)in? What other education do they have?

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/12/2020 10:31:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
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https://www.wibc.com/blogs/tony-katz/a-virus-worse-than-covid-19/

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth
Tony Katz is a right wing talk show radio hack. BTW, not sure what the point of your post is . I didn't mention he NY Times at all. Yet you post some essay from propagandist with barely any journalistic credentials and you put it next to an organization with 125 Pulitzer prizes for journalism. For the record I work in Cobble Hill, and Mr Katz sits behind a mic in Indianapolis. Quick rule of thumb, anyone that uses he word "narrative" in every other sentence might as well just use the phrase "fake news". It's meaningless. Next you will be quoting Alex Jones or Brietbart. Perhaps post you own thoughts and analysis instead of doing a cut and paste of Rush Limbaugh wannabes



Seriously. What is it with attacking The NY Times? The distrust of credible journalistic sources is showing itself to be a big problem as so many Americans have been getting information from sources with a narrow agenda, like Mr Katz.

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That does not make them incorrect.

You also don't deny that a murder victim was wrongly listed as dying from Covid-19 on the "eminent" New York Times.

https://twitter.com/timcrimmins/status/1264340227436556291


Who cares. The point of that cover was giving some visual idea of the scale of loss. It was not comprehensive and so if a mistake was made including a death by another cause, what’s the problem?

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You claim 125 Pulitzer prizes, I saw so what? That was in the past, this is now.

How about when a goat and a Papaya or Pawpaw tested positive for Covid-19?

You insult people who are not on here so they can't defend themselves. A law degree is a doctorate degree, what is their undergraduate degree(s)in? What other education do they have?


Stick to the subject and let’s move on rather than bringing in more tangential stuff that will flame out this thread.

< Message edited by obvert -- 7/13/2020 6:30:35 AM >


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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/12/2020 10:43:43 PM   
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Then someone should quit insulting people.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/12/2020 11:11:20 PM   
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Funny how often COVID-19 gets steered into a political argument. As if people here have an agenda whether they want to admit to it or not. And who gets left out, all the ordinary working Americans who have to deal with this crisis on a first hand basis.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 7/12/2020 11:38:52 PM   
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Oh no, Hamsters on a plane!

Putting hamsters on an a plane could prove whether the coronavirus can be spread through airborne transmission, infectious disease expert says

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8503447/Putting-hamsters-plane-prove-virus-spread-air.html

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