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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/25/2020 3:17:18 PM   
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Seems like we're all glad we live where we live and wouldn't want others from far away deciding how we should do things.




From a UK perspective I'm not sure I'd go that far. A while back our government set out 'alert levels' that were supposed to link the progress of the epidemic with corresponding levels of response in terms of social distancing measures. As far as I am concerned we seem to be racing well ahead of that road map and without the testing and tracing system that we had previously been told would be the cornerstone of being able to open up safely.

But I think the reality is that we are taking the only course of action available - the economy simply cannot afford to continue paying for lock-down. What frustrates me is that there is no transparency - so we are not only opening up prematurely from a public health perspective but also not giving people the appropriate information in terms of the ongoing risks to encourage them to continue to take informal social distancing measures. I don't know what it's like north of the river but in South London everything seems to have broken down. People have been told it is safe to go back to normal and that is precisely what they are doing. Edit - this is actually perhaps harsh on the govt. who have been paying lip service to the importance of maintaining social distancing. I think my issue is more that they know what the fundamental message is that people will be taking and are being reckless to this - see for example this article by a behavioural scientist https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/24/boris-johnson-ease-lockdown-england

The other point for me is that whilst we are now probably taking the only available course of action economically, as things stand the examples of other countries both elsewhere in Europe and further afield suggest that we didn't have to be in this position in the first place had we reacted quicker.

On both counts it seems to me that the US is in a similar position.

I'm happy to live where I live for lots of other reasons. I'd be much happier if I could add to those reasons a government that had reacted well to this epidemic.

Where exactly south of the river? Lots of good boroughs down there....some still working on improving. Just curious. When I lived in London I was north of the river.


I'm in Wandsworth at the moment. Have ping-ponged between there and Lambeth the last few years as tenancies expire/flatmates come and go etc.

So my walk between work and home yesterday was
Brixton - still pretty quiet although I didn't go to the high street which is probably much busier. Although there was a big street party in the evening that seems to have got well out of hand.
Clapham Common - very busy lots of households mixing but some sort of distancing
Clapham Junction - probably the 'worst bit', lots of the bars are serving onto the pavements which were completely packed with people with no distancing whatsoever.
Wandsworth Park - as with Clapham Common

Maybe a quarter of the people in Brixton were wearing masks. Outside of Brixton nobody was wearing masks.

IMHO The government and the public are putting a whole load of eggs in the basket of there being little or no outdoor transmission.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/25/2020 4:49:57 PM   
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obvert: Many people had a pattern of symptoms, where their symptoms were heightened initially, nearly disappeared, then returned again with ferocity, along with a very wide range of symptoms.


That seems to fit with the research that shows the virus developing new strains quite quickly, probably as the body neutralizes the initial infection. Another reason why I think we will be fighting this beast for a long time. I know vaccines try to target immunity to some key, immutable characteristic of the virus but sometimes the best we can come up with is a vaccine that targets an RNA bit that can mutate.


While there are certainly new strains there is little evidence that is causing the record high new cases in the United States. If that was the case places that has successfully flattened the curve would be rising along with the rest of the country. That is simply not the case. New York, New Jersey, Michigan, Illinois, Maryland, Virginia, Minnesota, Massachusetts and Pennsylvania are not seeing the massive increases Texas, Florida, Arkansas , The Carolinas and much of the south are. If there was a new strain why the disparity? Immunity from he original strain? Perhaps, but there is nowhere near enough confirmed exposure levels for any sort of herd immunity. It seems that the states that locked down longer and harder are not seeing the levels of increase of states that shut down less completely and for a shorter period of time.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/25/2020 6:38:41 PM   
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Seems like we're all glad we live where we live and wouldn't want others from far away deciding how we should do things.




From a UK perspective I'm not sure I'd go that far. A while back our government set out 'alert levels' that were supposed to link the progress of the epidemic with corresponding levels of response in terms of social distancing measures. As far as I am concerned we seem to be racing well ahead of that road map and without the testing and tracing system that we had previously been told would be the cornerstone of being able to open up safely.

But I think the reality is that we are taking the only course of action available - the economy simply cannot afford to continue paying for lock-down. What frustrates me is that there is no transparency - so we are not only opening up prematurely from a public health perspective but also not giving people the appropriate information in terms of the ongoing risks to encourage them to continue to take informal social distancing measures. I don't know what it's like north of the river but in South London everything seems to have broken down. People have been told it is safe to go back to normal and that is precisely what they are doing. Edit - this is actually perhaps harsh on the govt. who have been paying lip service to the importance of maintaining social distancing. I think my issue is more that they know what the fundamental message is that people will be taking and are being reckless to this - see for example this article by a behavioural scientist https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/24/boris-johnson-ease-lockdown-england

The other point for me is that whilst we are now probably taking the only available course of action economically, as things stand the examples of other countries both elsewhere in Europe and further afield suggest that we didn't have to be in this position in the first place had we reacted quicker.

On both counts it seems to me that the US is in a similar position.

I'm happy to live where I live for lots of other reasons. I'd be much happier if I could add to those reasons a government that had reacted well to this epidemic.

Where exactly south of the river? Lots of good boroughs down there....some still working on improving. Just curious. When I lived in London I was north of the river.


I'm in Wandsworth at the moment. Have ping-ponged between there and Lambeth the last few years as tenancies expire/flatmates come and go etc.

So my walk between work and home yesterday was
Brixton - still pretty quiet although I didn't go to the high street which is probably much busier. Although there was a big street party in the evening that seems to have got well out of hand.
Clapham Common - very busy lots of households mixing but some sort of distancing
Clapham Junction - probably the 'worst bit', lots of the bars are serving onto the pavements which were completely packed with people with no distancing whatsoever.
Wandsworth Park - as with Clapham Common

Maybe a quarter of the people in Brixton were wearing masks. Outside of Brixton nobody was wearing masks.

IMHO The government and the public are putting a whole load of eggs in the basket of there being little or no outdoor transmission.

That's a fair walk...and you can hit the Imperial War Museum, though when I was last there (a couple of years ago) they had made it more kiddie oriented, which is not a bad thing, but as a grognard was a bit of a let down. South of the river is a good place to be. Compared to when I moved to London (1997) it is thriving today. I still wouldn't want to hang in Elephant & Castle but the riverfront is absolutely teeming with people and things to do.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/25/2020 7:04:26 PM   
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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/25/2020 7:04:51 PM   
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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/25/2020 8:20:54 PM   
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obvert: Many people had a pattern of symptoms, where their symptoms were heightened initially, nearly disappeared, then returned again with ferocity, along with a very wide range of symptoms.


That seems to fit with the research that shows the virus developing new strains quite quickly, probably as the body neutralizes the initial infection. Another reason why I think we will be fighting this beast for a long time. I know vaccines try to target immunity to some key, immutable characteristic of the virus but sometimes the best we can come up with is a vaccine that targets an RNA bit that can mutate.


While there are certainly new strains there is little evidence that is causing the record high new cases in the United States. If that was the case places that has successfully flattened the curve would be rising along with the rest of the country. That is simply not the case. New York, New Jersey, Michigan, Illinois, Maryland, Virginia, Minnesota, Massachusetts and Pennsylvania are not seeing the massive increases Texas, Florida, Arkansas , The Carolinas and much of the south are. If there was a new strain why the disparity? Immunity from he original strain? Perhaps, but there is nowhere near enough confirmed exposure levels for any sort of herd immunity. It seems that the states that locked down longer and harder are not seeing the levels of increase of states that shut down less completely and for a shorter period of time.

Yeah, my comment was more about how the individual experiences the symptoms, perhaps because of mutations during the infected period. The length of the symptom period is variable, suggesting the virus itself can vary. I was not suggesting that as a reason for the hot spots in any country.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/25/2020 8:24:16 PM   
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Remember the Aircraft Carrier that had the major outbreak? The USN is using social distancing in an extreme way to make sure other ships are not similarly compromised.

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2020/06/25/dodging-covid-19-navy-ships-break-record-for-staying-at-sea/

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/25/2020 8:59:24 PM   
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Remember the Aircraft Carrier that had the major outbreak? The USN is using social distancing in an extreme way to make sure other ships are not similarly compromised.

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2020/06/25/dodging-covid-19-navy-ships-break-record-for-staying-at-sea/

Well, I guess that is one way to do it Not sure what the answer is for that. Maybe park it with all the worlds cruise ships? https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/33338/satellite-images-show-armadas-of-vacant-cruise-ships-huddling-together-out-at-sea

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/26/2020 12:30:51 AM   
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I think I know people who had that sugar cube. I wonder if people who had the dead polio vaccine would benefit from the live vaccine.

And to think of the cooperation like that at the height of the Cold War. That is like the Soviet Union coming to the US to improve its pork industry in the 1950s.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/26/2020 12:37:10 AM   
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Remember the Aircraft Carrier that had the major outbreak? The USN is using social distancing in an extreme way to make sure other ships are not similarly compromised.

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2020/06/25/dodging-covid-19-navy-ships-break-record-for-staying-at-sea/


I like how they are working things out.

Someone who had been in the US Navy said that after so many days at sea with no port call, they would be given a couple of beers. He also talked about one guy who came back after a nine month stretch away from his wife. She met him at the dock - she was SIX months pregnant!

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/26/2020 3:06:35 AM   
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That must have been an interesting conversation.....

I think the cruise lines are toast. which means that the shipyards that build them are toast too.

I did go fetch some dinner tonight. No food being served inside, just pick-up, but the door said you had to wear a mask. But the bar portion was open and literally not a soul was wearing a mask (hard to drink with a mask on). When I pulled mine down to get my credit card out of my wallet (not sure how many others have a difficult time seeing things with a mask and glasses on), nobody said boo.

Anyways - goodnight, ladies, gents, aliens, etc.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/26/2020 3:07:34 AM   
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That must have been an interesting conversation.....

I think the cruise lines are toast. which means that the shipyards that build them are toast too.

I did go fetch some dinner tonight. No food being served inside, just pick-up, but the door said you had to wear a mask. But the bar portion was open and literally not a soul was wearing a mask (hard to drink with a mask on). When I pulled mine down to get my credit card out of my wallet (not sure how many others have a difficult time seeing things with a mask and glasses on), nobody said boo.

Anyways - goodnight, ladies, gents, aliens, etc.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/26/2020 3:08:06 AM   
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That must have been an interesting conversation.....

I think the cruise lines are toast. which means that the shipyards that build them are toast too.

I did go fetch some dinner tonight. No food being served inside, just pick-up, but the door said you had to wear a mask. But the bar portion was open and literally not a soul was wearing a mask (hard to drink with a mask on). When I pulled mine down to get my credit card out of my wallet (not sure how many others have a difficult time seeing things with a mask and glasses on), nobody said boo.

Anyways - goodnight, ladies, gents, aliens, etc.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/26/2020 3:20:10 AM   
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sorry - weird website behaviour. did not mean to have multiple posts

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/26/2020 9:05:15 AM   
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I think I know people who had that sugar cube. I wonder if people who had the dead polio vaccine would benefit from the live vaccine.

And to think of the cooperation like that at the height of the Cold War. That is like the Soviet Union coming to the US to improve its pork industry in the 1950s.

I recall the sugar cube. It is among my earliest memories. Maybe a different virus but I remember it . Early 1960's

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/26/2020 11:06:05 AM   
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Blizzards were in the forecast yesterday. A New York Supreme for me and a Cotton Candy one for someone that I met. The staff wore masks and only half of the inside seating was available. No outside seating was available.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/26/2020 11:52:33 AM   
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Blizzards were in the forecast yesterday. A New York Supreme for me and a Cotton Candy one for someone that I met. The staff wore masks and only half of the inside seating was available. No outside seating was available.

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Blizzards were in the forecast yesterday. A New York Supreme for me and a Cotton Candy one for someone that I met. The staff wore masks and only half of the inside seating was available. No outside seating was available.


I don't really care much about ice cream either way. I think they stems from the fact I live in a house full of women that crave the stuff so I never get any ice cream anyway. A trip to Dairy Queen is another thing. I will happily go and I do enjoy a good Blizzard. Posting the calorie count has taken much of the fun out of it though

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/26/2020 12:30:39 PM   
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DQ has a phone app where you can order and pay for it, then pick it up. After so much, then you can get a free blizzard.

I don't bother to count calories and it shows, however that small blizzard was my lunch.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/26/2020 3:42:20 PM   
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Yikes! Florida went from bad to worse. 5,000 new cases yesterday, 9,000 new cases today! DeSantis victory lap not looking so good now https://www.towleroad.com/2020/04/gov-ron-desantis-takes-covid-19-victory-lap-despite-927-deaths-and-counting-in-florida-watch/

Yesterday DeSantis was crowing about not "slowing down reopening" . 24 hours later they are shutting down bars again https://www.wesh.com/article/florida-bars-alcohol-consumption-suspended/32981423#

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/26/2020 3:51:34 PM   
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Florida is a dumpster fire. It's approaching 10% of the deaths New York has experienced.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/26/2020 4:01:48 PM   
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Yikes! Florida went from bad to worse. 5,000 new cases yesterday, 9,000 new cases today! DeSantis victory lap not looking so good now https://www.towleroad.com/2020/04/gov-ron-desantis-takes-covid-19-victory-lap-despite-927-deaths-and-counting-in-florida-watch/

Yesterday DeSantis was crowing about not "slowing down reopening" . 24 hours later they are shutting down bars again https://www.wesh.com/article/florida-bars-alcohol-consumption-suspended/32981423#
warspite1

The warspites like to watch the Tim Tracker vlogs (to keep up to date with Disney) and he's put together some episodes post the re-opening (sort of) of Universal and SeaWorld. The Disney parks are due to re-open in limited fashion in July.

He's said that there are many within the parks who don't pay heed to social distancing and in some cases aren't wearing masks as they should. I wonder if the re-openings will go ahead - and if those parks that have re-opened will stay open?


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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/26/2020 4:06:40 PM   
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Don't make any hard plans yet. The situation is pretty fluid and there's immense pressure to act, so countermeasures might be reinstated, any place, any time.

To this point, mortality continues to drop steadily nationwide and in many states, so it doesn't yet seem that the increasing number of cases is similar to what we faced in February, March, April. I hope that proves true.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/26/2020 4:26:52 PM   
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Don't make any hard plans yet. The situation is pretty fluid and there's immense pressure to act, so countermeasures might be reinstated, any place, any time.

To this point, mortality continues to drop steadily nationwide and in many states, so it doesn't yet seem that the increasing number of cases is similar to what we faced in February, March, April. I hope that proves true.

warspite1

Lol, no we are making no plans yet after the cancelling of plans for 2020... The idea of visiting Florida under the present conditions - even if the parks do open - holds zero appeal.

We have this strange situation where the contagiousness of the disease remains as powerful as ever, but I don't get any feel for how bad the disease actually is.

In Northern Italy, parts of Spain, the UK, France and the USA (to name but 5) you had large numbers of cases, leading to a great many deaths - including for so many doctors and nurses.

But now that does not seem to be the case. Why? I must confess I don't really know what is going on. But what I do know is that the seemingly reducing death rate is not helping when trying to impose lockdown on people who seem to have lost the fear factor. This, allied to the human need for people to get out and about means that getting people to obey social distancing (if re-imposed) may be difficult.

Just what the hell is going on with this thing?


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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/26/2020 4:29:48 PM   
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Don't make any hard plans yet. The situation is pretty fluid and there's immense pressure to act, so countermeasures might be reinstated, any place, any time.

To this point, mortality continues to drop steadily nationwide and in many states, so it doesn't yet seem that the increasing number of cases is similar to what we faced in February, March, April. I hope that proves true.


Hope so. In many cases it takes a long time to die from Covid. Sometimes people stay on vents for weeks and weeks. Got a daughter down in Florida due to come home July 4. She is staying a a fiends house in a small town and the friends father is a vascular surgeon so the know the drill. If my kid didn't have a negative anti-body test I would thing she is causing some of this. Seems to follow her everywhere

"That is because case numbers, hospitalizations, and test positivity are leading indicators while deaths are a lagging indicator of the disease’s spread"

https://www.texmed.org/Template.aspx?id=53858

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/26/2020 4:37:27 PM   
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Florida is a dumpster fire. It's approaching 10% of the deaths New York has experienced.

I think Florida wishes it was dumpster fire. At least the fire would be in one place. All that coastline, big cities, all those young folks, all those old folks and 50/50 or so red/blue (no politics, just pointing out potential of folks not hearing each other). Every State has unique issues but Florida has a little bit of everything.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/26/2020 4:46:50 PM   
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Right now I'd put the change of a full NFL season at 40%. I put the chance of a 60 game MLB season at 20% . Texas, Florida and California have 9 MLB teams between them (someone please check my math on that one) and those 3 states are getting hit hard right now. The NL East and AL East have Florida teams in their divisions. I'm not holding out hope for baseball this year. What they are proposing was so watered down I'd rather do without myself

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That must have been an interesting conversation.....

I think the cruise lines are toast. which means that the shipyards that build them are toast too.

I did go fetch some dinner tonight. No food being served inside, just pick-up, but the door said you had to wear a mask. But the bar portion was open and literally not a soul was wearing a mask (hard to drink with a mask on). When I pulled mine down to get my credit card out of my wallet (not sure how many others have a difficult time seeing things with a mask and glasses on), nobody said boo.

Anyways - goodnight, ladies, gents, aliens, etc.

Yes, the cruise lines are toast: https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/costa-victoria-carnival-retire-ships/index.html

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Morehouse College in Atlanta cancelled fall sports. It's a small school but that trend is going to put increased pressure on others. In addition to the natural desire to get things right, there's a tremendous amount of pressure not to get things wrong, especially not to go against the grain. When the first big school cancels, all the rest are bound to follow. So unless things change for the better - or if they're better already, unless the perception changes - college football isn't going to happen this fall. And then, ditto pro football.

Deer hunting will be very popular this autumn, as turkey hunting was this spring.

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Morehouse College in Atlanta cancelled fall sports. It's a small school but that trend is going to put increased pressure on others. In addition to the natural desire to get things right, there's a tremendous amount of pressure not to get things wrong, especially not to go against the grain. When the first big school cancels, all the rest are bound to follow. So unless things change for the better - or if they're better already, unless the perception changes - college football isn't going to happen this fall. And then, ditto pro football.

Deer hunting will be very popular this autumn, as turkey hunting was this spring.


I actually officiate college football, in fact I’ve called some games at Shorter and Berry, anyhow I digress. We were starting to feel like we would get a season in, but now I’m not sure. We haven’t received any information to indicate a shift, so we will see. I don’t know how the south will react if there is no college football.

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RE: OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version - 6/26/2020 7:53:52 PM   
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Hey, I didn't know that. Very interesting that you're a ref. (I'm looking out my office window at Berry property, this moment.)

Folks in the South will have to go deer hunting, fishing, or drive each other crazy.


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