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Help - 5/13/2020 2:37:55 PM   
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Finishing off my update for Downfall and I ma hitting an issue with US CAG's they constantly resize themselves down to c 60 planes and only 12 F6F's I am at my wits end trying to stop them reducing tried rezsizing tried setting them to 42/42 in the editor - anyone know the trick to stopping them resizing

Doesn't appear to happen to RN Carriers so its a US specific thing
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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 2:39:16 PM   
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The scenario is almost doen if I can solve this issue I need to do a playthrough as japan v AI and its more or less complete

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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 2:45:34 PM   
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Finishing off my update for Downfall and I ma hitting an issue with US CAG's they constantly resize themselves down to c 60 planes and only 12 F6F's I am at my wits end trying to stop them reducing tried rezsizing tried setting them to 42/42 in the editor - anyone know the trick to stopping them resizing

Doesn't appear to happen to RN Carriers so its a US specific thing


When you say "CAG", do you mean what was covered in this thread?

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4645477&mpage=1&key=cag�

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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 3:32:08 PM   
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No Alfred sorry its the 4 - 5 sqns on USN Carriers as per stock with capaicty of 90 on an Essex class

The sqns are resizing themselves to

18 F6F
18 F4UD
15 Helldivers
15 TBM's

So only using 66/90 capacity - as a player not a huge issue I can manually reset them to normal levels but the AI keeps reducing them down when its in charge and its driving me to distraction

Not that I expect many players to play Downfall as japan but I would like it to work both ways if possible

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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 3:35:46 PM   
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quote:

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No Alfred sorry its the 4 - 5 sqns on USN Carriers as per stock with capaicty of 90 on an Essex class

The sqns are resizing themselves to

18 F6F
18 F4UD
15 Helldivers
15 TBM's

So only using 66/90 capacity - as a player not a huge issue I can manually reset them to normal levels but the AI keeps reducing them down when its in charge and its driving me to distraction

Not that I expect many players to play Downfall as japan but I would like it to work both ways if possible


Perhaps give them a resize date that's on or a day before the scenario end date? Pretty sure the AI won't override date-based resizing.

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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 4:18:52 PM   
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I will try it on my next run through its certainly no working on day 1 I will try it out and see if it works

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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 5:24:29 PM   
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I will try it on my next run through its certainly no working on day 1 I will try it out and see if it works


To clarify, they would start off at whatever size you want (f/e 27 F6F) , and then be given a resize value (f/e 25 F6F or even 27 F6F) with an effective date in late April 1946 (a day or so prior to your scenario end date). Maybe at that point the AI will size them downwards, but by then it shouldn't matter.

I've seen a few air units in Scenario 1 which resize to the exact same size, so presumably that would work. Check out 253 Ku S-2 which arrives on 9/1/43 with 36 airframes, yet resizes to 36 on March 1944.

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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 6:59:11 PM   
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Na didn't work something about 1st September 1945 seems to send the AI autosizing airgroups doo lally

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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 7:45:00 PM   
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Your problem is with the VBF squadrons.

They need to be set to not resize at all in the editor.

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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 7:54:18 PM   
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Thanks Alfred I will try it !!!!

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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 8:53:18 PM   
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Nope didn't work had no resizes specified and still reduced size grrrrr

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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 9:25:38 PM   
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Interestingly the CAG stuff you posted does appear to solve it !!

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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 9:30:38 PM   
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Try this with VF9 and VBF9 (CV Essex)

1.  With VF9

(a) squadron 12-36 size selected
(b) start off with 36 ready aircraft
(c) set to resize to ship size

2.  With VBF9

(a) squadro9n 12-36 size selected
(b) start off with 18 ready aircraft
(c) set to not resize


If that doesn't work I'll dig up an old michaelm75au post where he had trouble with getting the 1943 USN carrier resizing to work properly.

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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 9:36:58 PM   
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Like this ??




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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 9:37:29 PM   
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and this ??




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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 9:41:54 PM   
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I assume set to resize means leave the max field blank and set to not resize means put a value in that field ??

Appreciate the help Alfred this one has me stumped

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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 9:43:39 PM   
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and this ??





Yes except you have VF9 as not resizing. I'm suggesting you try it with resizing to fit ship selected. If that doesn't work then I will track down that micahelm75au post to see what clues it provides.

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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 9:47:33 PM   
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How do I tell it to resize to fit ship ?? I am feeling really thick at moment

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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 9:57:55 PM   
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More fuel to add to the fire.

Read this thread:

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3260001&mpage=1&key=resize&#3260420

A post of mine quotes in full an earlier michaelm75au detailed post on resizing.  Michael then added further commentary.

I have to dive into Paint to answer your query on how it is done.  Be back soon.

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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 10:08:12 PM   
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Lets see if this worked




Edit: Yea, it did

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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 10:08:19 PM   
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Interesting thread it looks like my allied carriers are defaulting to the 0.2x capacity option which probably means something weird is happening because its adfter end of war

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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 10:15:26 PM   
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Thanks Alfred I set that to 4509 and 36 it worked for one day then on the 2nd Sept the AI resized it to 18 which is 20% of capacity !!!

This one is interesting to solve

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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 10:16:47 PM   
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quote:

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Interesting thread it looks like my allied carriers are defaulting to the 0.2x capacity option which probably means something weird is happening because its adfter end of war


The default should be (h)(iii) from the quote I provided. That should see 0.4x CV capacity, which works out to 36 aircraft, the number of ready aircraft you need to specify to begin with. I think.

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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 10:16:53 PM   
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Is there a way to say don't resize at all via that field I always assumed it was either leave blank or YYMM and then Number to resize Sqn to ??

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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 10:18:03 PM   
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I Agree Alfred and its always worked that way for me before its the first time its ever done this to me !!!

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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 10:19:28 PM   
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quote:

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Interesting thread it looks like my allied carriers are defaulting to the 0.2x capacity option which probably means something weird is happening because its adfter end of war


Did you choose the 5th resize input.

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Edit. Sorry wrong post of yours selected.

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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 10:22:17 PM   
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Thanks Alfred I set that to 4509 and 36 it worked for one day then on the 2nd Sept the AI resized it to 18 which is 20% of capacity !!!

This one is interesting to solve


OK, now got the right post.

Try the 5th resize option, not the first.

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RE: Help - 5/13/2020 10:23:21 PM   
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Ahhhh ok will do thanks much appreciated

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RE: Help - 5/14/2020 4:17:37 AM   
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Andy Mac,

You are not going to like this thread.

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2789863&mpage=1&key=resize�

To date, haven't found any evidence michaelm75au ever followed up his post.


But look on the bright side, at least someone else besides Nemo took out your Downfall scenario for a spin around the block.

Alfred


Edit: However, notwithstanding the gloom and doom of the above, NB post#3 from michaelm75au in this thread

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2743516&mpage=1&key=resize�

It seems to confirm what I suggested in my PM

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RE: Help - 5/14/2020 8:18:00 AM   
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Thanks Alfred tried it didn't work but I do have a workaround if I set all the Essex Class to 150 capacity they end up with 90 planes in the right mix !!!

Its weird but it works and will allow me to keep testing while I try and resolve the underlying issue !!!

Many thanks for the assist

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