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Surface raiders too powerful - 5/9/2020 11:18:00 PM   
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In my latest game as the Allies (beta patch) I've sunk almost the entire German merchant navy in a few months (off Norway).

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RE: Surface raiders too powerful - 5/9/2020 11:28:53 PM   
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I can't see your image.

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RE: Surface raiders too powerful - 5/9/2020 11:50:04 PM   
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Now hopefully with image.




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RE: Surface raiders too powerful - 5/10/2020 4:26:02 AM   
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I think an easy and fairly historical fix would be to disallow surface raiders on the iron ore route.

If not, Germany needs the option to turn it off. The Allies can easily keep Germany at 0 merchants the whole game.

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RE: Surface raiders too powerful - 5/10/2020 9:32:51 AM   
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You can turn any trade convoy off in the convoys screen.

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RE: Surface raiders too powerful - 5/10/2020 10:11:30 AM   
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You can turn any trade convoy off in the convoys screen.


But the iron ore route jumps between Norway and the Baltic. You don't want to turn it off in the Baltic.

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RE: Surface raiders too powerful - 5/10/2020 12:10:52 PM   
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Svein, I am up at something against this convoy system still linked to this thread:
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4801961

Before sending my next turn, I would like you to confirm the below instructions:
1. Please continue to do some surface, submarine raiding against the iron ore route.
2. In two turns, I will declare war as Germany against Norway but I will not invade it. I will ask you not to invade Norway also. I will explain why later.
3. I will open a corridor for the Polish army to reach Danzig and repair the railway between Warsaw - Lodz - Poznan. I will ask you to reach those cities but do not invade, I repeat, do not invade Konigsberg.

Please confirm you have read this message. I will then proceed with my turn.

Thanks

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RE: Surface raiders too powerful - 5/10/2020 8:29:59 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: sillyflower

You can turn any trade convoy off in the convoys screen.


But the iron ore route jumps between Norway and the Baltic. You don't want to turn it off in the Baltic.

You could always activate the route during the summer and deactivate it in the winter. Also some production of escorts along with some research to improve them, as well as naval bombers in Norway, should make raiding that route a bit expensive for the Allies.

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RE: Surface raiders too powerful - 5/10/2020 9:33:05 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ncc1701e

Svein, I am up at something against this convoy system still linked to this thread:
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4801961

Before sending my next turn, I would like you to confirm the below instructions:
1. Please continue to do some surface, submarine raiding against the iron ore route.
2. In two turns, I will declare war as Germany against Norway but I will not invade it. I will ask you not to invade Norway also. I will explain why later.
3. I will open a corridor for the Polish army to reach Danzig and repair the railway between Warsaw - Lodz - Poznan. I will ask you to reach those cities but do not invade, I repeat, do not invade Konigsberg.

Please confirm you have read this message. I will then proceed with my turn.

Thanks


Sure OK but it just turns our game into a test.

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RE: Surface raiders too powerful - 5/11/2020 5:18:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sveint


quote:

ORIGINAL: ncc1701e

Svein, I am up at something against this convoy system still linked to this thread:
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4801961

Before sending my next turn, I would like you to confirm the below instructions:
1. Please continue to do some surface, submarine raiding against the iron ore route.
2. In two turns, I will declare war as Germany against Norway but I will not invade it. I will ask you not to invade Norway also. I will explain why later.
3. I will open a corridor for the Polish army to reach Danzig and repair the railway between Warsaw - Lodz - Poznan. I will ask you to reach those cities but do not invade, I repeat, do not invade Konigsberg.

Please confirm you have read this message. I will then proceed with my turn.

Thanks


Sure OK but it just turns our game into a test.


Yes you are right. Forgot of this, I can reproduce in hotseat mode.

Please confirm you have read this message. I will then proceed with my turn.


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RE: Surface raiders too powerful - 5/11/2020 5:51:53 PM   
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OK read it

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RE: Surface raiders too powerful - 5/13/2020 6:34:23 AM   
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I always turn off the North Sea route until I take norway. Then I use a bomber or two to discourage any Allied attempts at interdicting. And usually turn it off then too.

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RE: Surface raiders too powerful - 5/13/2020 1:57:37 PM   
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You only need it on in the winter months. The new scenario makes it MUCH easier for Germany to defend this line with naval and aircraft

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RE: Surface raiders too powerful - 5/30/2020 5:52:12 PM   
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Here here that is what I call the sveint's maneuver (in reference of the famous Picard's maneuver in Star Trek)
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4821190

In one single turn, half of the German merchant marine is at the bottom of the ocean (18 MMs):
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4821206

Alvaro, sveint himself thinks this is too powerful. Did you look at it?

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