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Why are my interceptors not defending my fleet against ... - 4/25/2020 5:34:09 PM   
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Hi - maybe I've misunderstood about how interception of CV attacks on naval units work, but why aren't these German interceptors defending the German fleet near Denmark against attacks by the British CVs? They have a blue triangle and are within 5 hexes, and have >50% efficiency so should intercept, no?



Can someone explain why they are not even attempting to intercept?
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RE: Why are my interceptors not defending my fleet agai... - 4/25/2020 6:35:42 PM   
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Well done, I think you have found a problem.

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RE: Why are my interceptors not defending my fleet agai... - 4/25/2020 6:54:52 PM   
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So say the previous turn you bombed some stuff and they escorted. Their effectiveness dropped below 50%. Now it's the UK's turn. You can't fly.

Now it is your turn. They get 15% effectiveness lets say and it shows over 50%!!!

On their turn it wasn't. If at the end of your turn it was then it's good. But I will check it out and recreate this.

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RE: Why are my interceptors not defending my fleet agai... - 4/25/2020 9:04:56 PM   
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Those interceptors had done nothing the turn before, other than rebase, effectiveness was around 75%

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RE: Why are my interceptors not defending my fleet agai... - 4/25/2020 9:42:47 PM   
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quote:

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Those interceptors had done nothing the turn before, other than rebase, effectiveness was around 75%


Also, if that were true, should the triangle then not be something other than blue? Blue is supposed to indicate that it is eligible to intercept. If that is not accurate, then something needs to change.

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RE: Why are my interceptors not defending my fleet agai... - 4/25/2020 9:48:32 PM   
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This is a bug. (I thought it was known?)

Interceptors never fly against CV attacks. Huge disadvantage for the Axis.

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RE: Why are my interceptors not defending my fleet agai... - 4/25/2020 10:00:47 PM   
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I just tested it myself in the exact scenario and they flew and it worked. CV, fleet, and interceptor all in the same spot.
I ran this scenario 3x = 6 air strikes. The German air sup intercepted every time. I even verified the mode.

Is this a custom scenario? Maybe they changed the ranges?

Did they do damage or didn't spot the fleet? In mine I made Denmark an Allied nation so the CV found it always or almost always.



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RE: Why are my interceptors not defending my fleet agai... - 4/26/2020 1:12:40 AM   
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In all my multiplayer games I have never seen an interceptor intercept CV aircraft.

I haven't tested hotseat or vs AI.

I can run a quick test against someone willing. Turn 1 Axis park fleet with interceptors in range. Turn 1 Allies attacks several times with carriers.

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RE: Why are my interceptors not defending my fleet agai... - 4/26/2020 1:18:50 AM   
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Tested hotseat, interceptors do work. Just need to test multiplayer.

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RE: Why are my interceptors not defending my fleet agai... - 4/26/2020 1:19:52 AM   
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I can see Oxdordguy3 was playing Scorched Earth scenario, but I assure you nothing has changed that would cause the game to behave differently. Did not touch any of that.

I can't recall ever seeing an Axis fighter intercepting a carrier strike. Bit this is anecdotal.

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RE: Why are my interceptors not defending my fleet agai... - 4/26/2020 2:57:51 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sveint

In all my multiplayer games I have never seen an interceptor intercept CV aircraft.

I haven't tested hotseat or vs AI.

I can run a quick test against someone willing. Turn 1 Axis park fleet with interceptors in range. Turn 1 Allies attacks several times with carriers.


I confirm. In one of my PBEM, I am doing CV naval air strikes on Tripoli and only AA defence seems to be triggered, despite there is a plane there.
Yes, we can do another test to confirm.

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RE: Why are my interceptors not defending my fleet agai... - 4/26/2020 3:16:26 AM   
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Challenge created, password 123456

I'll move nothing on turn 1 as Germany, please bomb etc with CVs and I'll report on turn 2 with screenshots

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RE: Why are my interceptors not defending my fleet agai... - 4/26/2020 3:49:26 AM   
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Challenge accepted. I am attacking Kiel, correct?

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RE: Why are my interceptors not defending my fleet agai... - 4/26/2020 4:21:19 AM   
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Here is my turn 0 move. Attack anything you like within range of the interceptors.




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RE: Why are my interceptors not defending my fleet agai... - 4/26/2020 4:41:00 AM   
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Didn't see any CV attacks on the first Allied turn, so I moved some of my naval units. No reaction from my interceptors.

Please try to actively attack on the next Allied turn.




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RE: Why are my interceptors not defending my fleet agai... - 4/26/2020 4:51:23 AM   
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When doing naval air strike against enemy fleets, all I got was "enemy fleet spotted" but no actual attack ??!

So, I have attacked the land unit. And, I have seen interception. I think the difference is there.




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RE: Why are my interceptors not defending my fleet agai... - 4/26/2020 4:58:44 AM   
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Confirmed when you strike a land unit. But I am quite convinced my air will not intercept if you attack the fleets (and successfully located them).

So the problem remains, interceptors do not protect fleets against CV air attack.




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RE: Why are my interceptors not defending my fleet agai... - 4/26/2020 5:00:23 AM   
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Looks like carrier air planes can't attack a fleet ???

Hotseat mode in 1939, I was trying to reproduce the Battle of Taranto.

Funny, in hotseat mode, you can still see the range of German enemy fighter despite it is UK turn. Normal?




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RE: Why are my interceptors not defending my fleet agai... - 4/26/2020 5:02:20 AM   
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Any carrier naval strike will result like this. And, no air interception.




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RE: Why are my interceptors not defending my fleet agai... - 4/26/2020 5:03:45 AM   
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When I have arrived, there was a naval interdiction. But, it seems no air units were involved (Germany and UK sides).
This is not good.




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RE: Why are my interceptors not defending my fleet agai... - 4/26/2020 5:35:38 AM   
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The air units won't fly if the CV misses the spotting check. That is just a scout plane.

I'll fix the range thing.

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RE: Why are my interceptors not defending my fleet agai... - 4/26/2020 6:56:17 AM   
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And here we have a naval interception and the interceptors do work.

So the take away is that if you move a fleet near a carrier and the carrier intercepts, land based fighters cannot help against that.




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RE: Why are my interceptors not defending my fleet agai... - 5/22/2020 1:41:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sveint

So the take away is that if you move a fleet near a carrier and the carrier intercepts, land based fighters cannot help against that.


To confirm, is this one fixed by the official 1.00.07 patch with the following?
quote:

- Improved naval A.I. during interceptions and combat


Thanks

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RE: Why are my interceptors not defending my fleet agai... - 5/23/2020 6:19:34 PM   
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Read the bug list. Too many things for me to remember

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RE: Why are my interceptors not defending my fleet agai... - 5/23/2020 7:02:49 PM   
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I did it but I didn't find it. And it's not always easy to associate a bug with a line.

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