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Blizzard display CVs - 4/25/2020 10:12:27 AM   
tyronec


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Playing Axis, am seeing that most of my CVs are going down for battles when Axis are defending.
However for attacking nearly all CVs are going up in combat, which is kind of what you might expect with good leaders.
Soviet CVs mostly go down in defence, sometimes by quite a lot. Am guessing that is because of lack of supplies.
They also do better in attack.

But why are Axis CVs going down so much in defence, it seems to happen even with good leaders and when supplies are OK ?
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RE: Blizzard display CVs - 4/25/2020 11:02:55 AM   
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Pretty sure in the first winter is like a random roll for German units in any combat...I don't know the specifics. For soviets its probably fatigue, supply, and support. As the Soviet commander may not have moved his HQs for the initial assaults to ensure better support but moved them at the end of the turn thus meaning less support against German counterattacks.

Is a lot of variables in play that can change before and after every single battle in the game. HQ support can be critical to CV inflation. Also soviet command chain could be in chaos if he is using tons of mixed assaults.


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RE: Blizzard display CVs - 4/25/2020 6:10:02 PM   
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The blizzard cv's in the beta have changed.

Russian cv's seem inflated, and the germans not lower. I think a reverse of earlier. I have no complaints.

Normal harsh blizzard battles are not not good for germans when attacking or defending. I think they improve as the winter months move along.



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RE: Blizzard display CVs - 4/25/2020 6:24:34 PM   
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Check the manual. I think there is a flat CV reduction on counters that only partially reflects the blizzard malus. Also the defending CV drop on battle screen accounts for fort destruction always.

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RE: Blizzard display CVs - 4/25/2020 7:31:19 PM   
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Most of Axis ground elements become disrupted before firefight starts, that's why their CV drops so much. In the same ways rivers are handled in this game.

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RE: Blizzard display CVs - 4/25/2020 7:38:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: morvael

Most of Axis ground elements become disrupted before firefight starts, that's why their CV drops so much. In the same ways rivers are handled in this game.


So really the blizzard is just a big frozen Russian river flying in the air...makes sense.

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RE: Blizzard display CVs - 4/25/2020 9:03:57 PM   
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see I knew there was some rule that reduced german units in winter, so many rules in this game its always hard to remember specifics....

Its one reason that in blizzard even when losing the Soviets can win as each loss also uses up supply/ammo and causes weather damage to the German units you are forcing to fight....so after several turns of this even decent german units can be worn down.

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RE: Blizzard display CVs - 4/26/2020 9:13:13 AM   
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quote:

Most of Axis ground elements become disrupted before firefight starts, that's why their CV drops so much. In the same ways rivers are handled in this game.

I thought Mountain units were exempt from all Blizzard effects.
'With the exception Finnish units as well as all Axis Ski and Mountain units of any nationality are not affected by any first winter rules.'

Two more battles from the current turn, that is 5 battles in a row where Mountain troops under Model have had significant hits to their CV in combat. They are in good supply, two hexes from the Corps and Army HQ and only moderate advance bombing and GS from the Soviets.
Maybe I have just been unlucky but it looks like their display CVs are higher than their combat CVs for some reason.




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RE: Blizzard display CVs - 4/26/2020 12:59:07 PM   
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A couple notes on these battles that CV doesn't accurately ever show----quality of quantity. The Odds system gives a weight to numerical superiority that isn't accurately reflected in initial CV...you will notice you were outnumber 5:1+ this alone is usually an odds shift or two on the final calculations from what I have noticed over the years. Basically they just have so many more men to fire at you, and to absorb your much fewer shots that they end up with many more combat effective squads at the final calculations phase of the battle.

Also you have no artillery support at all and the soviets actually brought some pretty heavy artillery support to bear in both battles. The BM howitzers are 200+ mm if I remember right and it also looks like regiments of 152mm from the soviet side...so your troops are taking a heavy shelling in the initial phases of the battle before they even get to start shooting...most likely reducing your combat effectiveness early in the firefights.

In the second battle you weren't even in forts so that artillery most likely worked your troops over pretty heavily before the main fight even started.

In the scope of the system pretty predictable results if I was a soviet attacker. He has you 5:1+ in men, and 7:1+ in artillery....and you aren't heavily fortified...those should be sure soviet wins without massive commander failures/successes giving miracle CV shifts. As well his artillery support is way better than yours...thus in the long range shooting the Soviets should have inflicted much more damage/disruption...you need heavy forts to avoid this as a defender when heavily outnumbered.

If the game goes to 1943 on you will quickly find that German infantry units not fortified are just easy wins against soviet attacks, as the weight of artillery and manpower makes the actual initial CV only matter if the Germans have lvl 2 or 3 forts to help mitigate the artillery.

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RE: Blizzard display CVs - 4/26/2020 1:02:23 PM   
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Model has not been preforming up to his usual quality. Maybe he needs a promotion.

possible factors:

Maybe these are not the 'true' mountain divisions. But I do see them as strong from my side.

My troops which attacked them were in excellent supply having done little fighting waiting for the river to freeze near Rostov.

It is normal heavy blizzard and you had no support units attached to the defense. (At least as to the 2 you showed above).

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RE: Blizzard display CVs - 4/26/2020 2:10:42 PM   
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Maybe show the battle details? To see if there is a lot of disruption from something?

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RE: Blizzard display CVs - 4/27/2020 3:07:07 PM   
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quote:

Maybe show the battle details? To see if there is a lot of disruption from something?

Here are the combats from this turn as requested.
Model defending has always seen a reduction in CV, 8 in a row now.
Model attacking has always seen an increase in CV, think that is about 5 in a row.





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RE: Blizzard display CVs - 4/27/2020 3:07:57 PM   
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Second half, for some reason it wouldn't post the usual way




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