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Germany OOB between 1939, 1940 and 1941 - 4/23/2020 5:19:33 PM   
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Following this interesting question from PDiFolco:

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To followup on this, I wonder if it's possible as well to get the historical Barbarossa OB starting in May'40? You have to build 3 Pz Korps, 2-3 air, 2 Mountain, a sh*tload of truck supply, a couple subs and the Tirpitz ? Given that Axis losses will be much higher in 40-41 than 39, it seems very difficult. Still didn't try/test yet, so that's only speculative.


Yes, you are right. I did not make the test. Would be interesting to know but normally stopping any reinforcements/upgrades for few turns would help.

By the way, I am running a Barbarossa balance test right now with Hairog, see here:
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4785412


Yes, this needs testing ... if not already done whene designing !
Looking at the nearly empty Germany build queue in May'40 I really wonder if it's possible ...



I have decided to build a list of the OOB differences between 1939, 1940 and 1941 scenarios:




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RE: Germany OOB between 1939, 1940 and 1941 - 4/23/2020 5:39:23 PM   
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So, it means between 1940 and 1941:

. 7 x HQs
. 11 x Infantry Division
. 4 x Infantry Small Corps
. 3 x Mountain corps
. 5 x Armor corps
. 2 x Attack Submarine
. 1 x Long Range Submarine
. 1 x Large Warship
. 2 x Air Superiority Group
. 1 x Ground Attack Group

And, in support:
. 150 x Supply trucks
. 30 x Landing ships
. 7 x Escorts
. 5 x Merchant marine

PLUS ALL THE ADVANCEMENTS TO FINANCE FOR THOSE UNITS!!!


Two units have been removed between 1940 and 1941:
. 1 x Paratrooper corps
. 1 x Tactical Air Group

I do not know yet if this is achievable in terms of production...


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RE: Germany OOB between 1939, 1940 and 1941 - 4/23/2020 5:44:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ncc1701e

So, it means between 1940 and 1941:

. 7 x HQs
. 11 x Infantry Division
. 4 x Infantry Small Corps
. 3 x Mountain corps
. 5 x Armor corps
. 2 x Attack Submarine
. 1 x Long Range Submarine
. 1 x Large Warship
. 2 x Air Superiority Group
. 1 x Ground Attack Group

And, in support:
. 150 x Supply trucks
. 30 x Landing ships
. 7 x Escorts
. 5 x Merchant marine

PLUS ALL THE ADVANCEMENTS TO FINANCE FOR THOSE UNITS!!!


Two units have been removed between 1940 and 1941:
. 1 x Paratrooper corps
. 1 x Tactical Air Group

I do not know yet if this is achievable in terms of production...



You have to produce even more, as Supply and Transport are used and must be replaced.
And you'll certainly lose a sub or 2, if not a land unit...

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RE: Germany OOB between 1939, 1940 and 1941 - 4/23/2020 6:36:58 PM   
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Yes indeed, this is without any losses. So, impossible mission?

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RE: Germany OOB between 1939, 1940 and 1941 - 4/23/2020 7:51:50 PM   
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It is indeed impossible.

In my opinion Germany should get a "Barbarossa mobilization bonus" of about 4 Large Corps and 2 Panzer Corps in January 1941.

Or something else should be changed.

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RE: Germany OOB between 1939, 1940 and 1941 - 4/23/2020 8:56:30 PM   
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Well I have not yet tested if this is possible or not. Perhaps Alvaro has tested and can confirm this is feasible.

I like your idea of a "Barbarossa mobilization bonus". I remember that the Germans have splitted all the Panzer divisions to create new ones. So let's say you have 4 Panzer corps in 1940. The "bonus" could be to automatically create 5 Panzer corps but with a strength of 15/30.

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RE: Germany OOB between 1939, 1940 and 1941 - 5/9/2020 5:26:34 AM   
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Well versus AI, managing closely, I was able to build the following OOB for Barbarossa:
. 9 HQ
. 27 Infantry division
. 28 Infantry Large corps
. 0 Mountain corps (1 building in the Deployment window)
. 7 Armored corps
. 4 Mechanized corps
. 6 Air Superiority group (2 building in the Deployment window)
. 3 Ground Attack group
. 5 Tactical Air group
. 6 Submarine group

So, this is not far from possible.

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