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Most Damaged Ship Ever? - 4/16/2020 2:29:26 PM   
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Has anyone had a more damaged ship than this one? Just curious.....

Some context, this ship is at Pearl Harbor, it's 3/12/42. My opponent is besieging the place with daily bombardments, so Mississippi has taken countless hits....I have no idea how many

Obviously with a 3-year repair estimate on even HIGH priority, and it will take at least a year to repair enough to move, then probably 2 months to move to East Coast US...this ship won't be seeing the water in any useful timeframe. If I somehow hold Pearl, I'll probably have to just scuttle it to clear the Shipyard!

Anyone have anything more damaged, but technically afloat?




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RE: Most Damaged Ship Ever? - 4/16/2020 2:35:35 PM   
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That's a badly damaged baby.

I didn't keep records on my own ships, but I recall some "in that neighborhood." And sometimes it becomes basically impossible to sink a ship at pierside, no matter how many bombs hit it.

I wouldn't scuttle her. Assuming she survives, I'd just leave her in port (not even at pierside) and write her off from further consideration. You won't need her by 1944 or 1945 anyway. Save the points and let her serve as a monument to an enemy who engaged in a surprise attack.

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RE: Most Damaged Ship Ever? - 4/16/2020 2:37:29 PM   
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About six or seven years ago, there was a prominent player (I don't think it was you, but it might've been) who had an RN BB badly damaged, at sea, and due for withdrawal. He couldn't effect arrival at a withdrawal point in time to save a tremendous loss of political points, so he just pointed her in the direction of the nearest enemy concentration. IE, sank her.

That was the right thing to do, though some of us grimaced at the notion.

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RE: Most Damaged Ship Ever? - 4/16/2020 2:42:07 PM   
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In my old game with Loka, I parked Yamato at Balikpapan in late '45. Allied air found her, and took a good few turns to sink her just due to 500lb bombs bouncing off the deck.

After system damage went through the roof, I'm sure it was uncontrollable fires that caused the ship to sink.

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RE: Most Damaged Ship Ever? - 4/16/2020 3:02:03 PM   
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Yeah, lots of bombs can hurt.

In a prior game, by opponent held Ceylon and had Fuso and Yamashiro parked there.

Repeated raids by USAAF heavies torched both of them to ash.

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RE: Most Damaged Ship Ever? - 4/16/2020 3:59:59 PM   
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Hey, at least her fires are out!

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RE: Most Damaged Ship Ever? - 4/16/2020 7:06:08 PM   
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I wouldn't scuttle her. Assuming she survives, I'd just leave her in port (not even at pierside) and write her off from further consideration. You won't need her by 1944 or 1945 anyway. Save the points and let her serve as a monument to an enemy who engaged in a surprise attack.



Looks like she's already in shipyard and stood down.

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RE: Most Damaged Ship Ever? - 4/16/2020 7:48:09 PM   
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In a previous game against SqzMyLemon, Kaga was badly damaged and sought temporary refuge in Colombo's shipyard. He discovered her there and repeatedly bombed her. She absorbed bomb hits from a baker's dozen raids, but didn't sink. She was >85 SYS damage, IIRC. For months. I finally extracted her shortly before leaving Ceylon altogether. She didn't make port (Singapore) and sunk en route.

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RE: Most Damaged Ship Ever? - 4/16/2020 7:49:46 PM   
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In a previous game against SqzMyLemon, Kaga was badly damaged and sought temporary refuge in Colombo's shipyard. He discovered her there and repeatedly bombed her. She absorbed bomb hits from a baker's dozen raids, but didn't sink. She was >85 SYS damage, IIRC. For months. I finally extracted her shortly before leaving Ceylon altogether. She didn't make port (Singapore) and sunk en route.


Kaga is slow and ponderous, but she can take a beating.....I've seen her eat torpedoes with barely a scratch

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RE: Most Damaged Ship Ever? - 4/17/2020 5:03:04 AM   
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I didn't have numbers that high when I had Prince of Wales hit by three torpedoes plus dozens of shell hits from an IJN force of three small CAs (the 6-gun ones) and about six DDs. The combat report showed PoW with HF/HD, and then at the end of the turn during the "ships perform repairs" step came a message on the screen "Decks awash, the crew of PoW prepare to abandon ship".

Imagine my surprise when next turn I find PoW ensconced in the Shipyard at Singapore (where the combat took place)! Her numbers were something like 91 System and 86 Float, and I don't recall the Engineering damage. The mystery is how the Heavy Fires were put out in time to put her in the shipyard? Could be some FOW on the decks awash message I guess. Anyway, the repair time in shipyard was 736 days!

BTW, PoW sank two of those CAs and CL Mauritius sank another with a magazine hit. The Japanese also lost two DDs sunk and two or three more damaged.

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RE: Most Damaged Ship Ever? - 4/17/2020 5:24:28 AM   
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Very interesting...in my game versus the Swagman the same BB took 9 x long lance torpedoes in Java Sea and managed to limp to Soerbaja with almost exactly the same damage. I got her sea worthy and she transited Indian Oc. to Capetown and then to East coast. Her journey will be a year by the time she finally docks on east coast.

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RE: Most Damaged Ship Ever? - 4/17/2020 8:06:43 PM   
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I would leave her repairing pierside at normal priority, the system damage will fall away over 3 months if the dockyard isn't busy.

I suspect that the repair estimate for float/engine damage will drop down to something in the range of 6-12 months at that point - depending on other dockyard usage, you might get a point removed every two days, and maybe a second point as well.

All of this could be moot if the IJN drops a bunch of bombs on her and she catches fire.

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RE: Most Damaged Ship Ever? - 4/18/2020 10:11:55 AM   
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So the ship's weapons are not treated as a part of the ship's Systems. System damage is at 99 points, and yet, most of ships's weapons are intact. 99 System damage should mean that there is no functioning electricity. How do you rotate the turrets without electricity? Bascially, this ship should fire zero anti-ship or AA rounds if attacked.

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RE: Most Damaged Ship Ever? - 4/18/2020 3:41:22 PM   
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Last stop: Davy Jones Locker. Technically afloat - lol.







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RE: Most Damaged Ship Ever? - 4/18/2020 3:42:46 PM   
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Don't be so negative, durnedwolf. That'll buff right out.

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RE: Most Damaged Ship Ever? - 4/18/2020 3:43:20 PM   
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Don't be so negative, durnedwolf. That'll buff right out.




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RE: Most Damaged Ship Ever? - 4/18/2020 3:56:45 PM   
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Don't be so negative, durnedwolf. That'll buff right out.




A little more water and the fires will be out, then you can save her.

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RE: Most Damaged Ship Ever? - 4/18/2020 5:02:50 PM   
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Don't be so negative, durnedwolf. That'll buff right out.




A little more water and the fires will be out, then you can save her.


She's at 99% flooding right now... How much more water do you think she can hold before going down?

It's kinda like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRpt4a6H99c

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RE: Most Damaged Ship Ever? - 4/18/2020 6:59:25 PM   
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Don't be so negative, durnedwolf. That'll buff right out.




A little more water and the fires will be out, then you can save her.


She's at 99% flooding right now... How much more water do you think she can hold before going down?

It's kinda like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRpt4a6H99c


Just 1% more and the flooding will put the fires out. Then she can be pumped dry.

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RE: Most Damaged Ship Ever? - 4/18/2020 7:00:33 PM   
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Don't be so negative, durnedwolf. That'll buff right out.




A little more water and the fires will be out, then you can save her.


She's at 99% flooding right now... How much more water do you think she can hold before going down?

It's kinda like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRpt4a6H99c


Just 1% more and the flooding will put the fires out. Then she can be pumped dry.


Now now RangerJoe. You know that's not how any of this works.

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RE: Most Damaged Ship Ever? - 4/18/2020 7:06:31 PM   
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So the ship's weapons are not treated as a part of the ship's Systems. System damage is at 99 points, and yet, most of ships's weapons are intact. 99 System damage should mean that there is no functioning electricity. How do you rotate the turrets without electricity? Bascially, this ship should fire zero anti-ship or AA rounds if attacked.

High system damage does result in less firing of the weapons, abstracting damage to the systems that make it possible.
Weapon damage means just the weapon itself, and the thing that throws people is that when the ship gets to port and is disbanded or put in the shipyard, the immediate repair time estimate is for the days to repair everything BUT the weapon damage. It takes a turn before the weapon damage is assessed and the repair estimate is updated. Radars and larger gun turrets require a significant sized base or shipyard.

See Alfred's Ship Repair 101: https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2990845&mpage=1&key=

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RE: Most Damaged Ship Ever? - 4/22/2020 2:26:58 PM   
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I didn't have numbers that high when I had Prince of Wales hit by three torpedoes plus dozens of shell hits from an IJN force of three small CAs (the 6-gun ones) and about six DDs.



In one of my games I managed to put 12 or 13 torpedoes into the POW over the years and she always came back for more. Hard ship to sink.

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RE: Most Damaged Ship Ever? - 4/22/2020 4:54:03 PM   
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Don't be so negative, durnedwolf. That'll buff right out.




A little more water and the fires will be out, then you can save her.


She's at 99% flooding right now... How much more water do you think she can hold before going down?

It's kinda like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRpt4a6H99c


Just 1% more and the flooding will put the fires out. Then she can be pumped dry.


Now now RangerJoe. You know that's not how any of this works.



Whatta ya mean?

When a planes engine catches fire the plane dives to put the fires out.

Seems like the same thing should work for a ship?

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RE: Most Damaged Ship Ever? - 4/24/2020 12:21:24 PM   
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I didn't have numbers that high when I had Prince of Wales hit by three torpedoes plus dozens of shell hits from an IJN force of three small CAs (the 6-gun ones) and about six DDs.



In one of my games I managed to put 12 or 13 torpedoes into the POW over the years and she always came back for more. Hard ship to sink.


Because she is a spacious ship, this Princess of Whales.

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