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Yamamoto as KB Commander - 4/12/2020 11:32:08 AM   
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Has anyone Remove Yamamoto from Combined Fleet and assigned to KB. It seems it is perfectly doable.

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RE: Yamamoto as KB Commander - 4/12/2020 2:44:34 PM   
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Do you mean editing a scenario so he is a type 04- Task force, instead of a type 01- HQ leader?

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RE: Yamamoto as KB Commander - 4/12/2020 3:35:33 PM   
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Has anyone Remove Yamamoto from Combined Fleet and assigned to KB. It seems it is perfectly doable.


it is doable but IIRC there are at least three other commanders betters suited than Yamamoto

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RE: Yamamoto as KB Commander - 4/12/2020 4:30:50 PM   
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I would imagine Yamaguchi being one.

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RE: Yamamoto as KB Commander - 4/12/2020 4:55:01 PM   
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Do you mean editing a scenario so he is a type 04- Task force, instead of a type 01- HQ leader?


I dont know it is specific to my Iron Man Scenario but because I was curious I tried to remove Yamamoto from office to try to assign as a TF commander. It works I can assign as Commander.

It air value is not great but combined with Navy it might better execute surprise maybe.

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RE: Yamamoto as KB Commander - 4/12/2020 5:06:22 PM   
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I would imagine Yamaguchi being one.


He's the tippy top best.

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RE: Yamamoto as KB Commander - 4/12/2020 5:43:28 PM   
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Historically Yamaguchi's suggestions and decisions at Midway were very bad.

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RE: Yamamoto as KB Commander - 4/13/2020 12:13:35 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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Do you mean editing a scenario so he is a type 04- Task force, instead of a type 01- HQ leader?


I dont know it is specific to my Iron Man Scenario but because I was curious I tried to remove Yamamoto from office to try to assign as a TF commander. It works I can assign as Commander.

It air value is not great but combined with Navy it might better execute surprise maybe.


It is possible that if the scenario author both

- made him a class 04 (TF) leader; and

- assigned to an HQ slot in the scenario setup; that

he can be taken away from HQ and be assigned to a TF command.

However, he will not be able to be assigned back to the HQ.

There are a couple of USN carrier TF admirals who initially arrive in carrier captain's berths - Mitscher, Ted Sherman,\. And and possibly one other that I have forgotten.

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RE: Yamamoto as KB Commander - 4/17/2020 6:54:38 PM   
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It´s 6/43 and he became available as a TF commander - I was pleased to see that: Not sure if I changed him from another command at all. He got command of a surface fleet tho it seems his stats are better for that..

Edit, SCEN 2 vanilla no mod

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RE: Yamamoto as KB Commander - 4/17/2020 8:12:15 PM   
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It´s 6/43 and he became available as a TF commander - I was pleased to see that: Not sure if I changed him from another command at all. He got command of a surface fleet tho it seems his stats are better for that..


Which scenario/mod?

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RE: Yamamoto as KB Commander - 4/17/2020 8:36:12 PM   
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The reason I ask the question in the previous post is that I have looked in the editor and there is no TF commander named Yamamoto (Isoroku or anyone else) who appears in 1943.

In stock scenario 1 -

There are 17 leaders named Yamamoto. Relevantly, there is one Admiral Yamamoto, Isoroku and he is nation 02 (IJN) and type 01 (HQ). he should not, in the ordinary course of events, be available for TF command at any time. (Leader slot 6817.)

There is also a Rear Admiral Chikao Yamamoto, who is also an IJN HQ admiral. (Leader slot 6818.)

There is a vice admiral named "Yamamoto, K.", also an HQ leader, with a delay of 9999. So he may appear in an HQ that turns up (if so assigned in the scenario) or not at all. (Leader slot 6819.)

Then there is Yamamoto, R. He is a ship's captain. He could be a surface TF leader by default in that berth. (Naval - 69/air -24) However, he is available 411206, not 1943. (Leader slot 6820.)

There is a Yamamoto, I., who is a Commander and an 05 ship captain (smaller ship). (Leader slot 6821.)

Yamamoto, S., is an air unit leader (Leader slot 6822). He has a non-identical twin brother (slightly different ratings). (Leader slot 6823.)

Finally, there is a Yamamoto, Hideo, a ship's captain type 05 rank LCmdr (leader slot 6589.)

I also searched 'Isoroku' in case there was a TF commander with the name listed cart before horse. No result.

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RE: Yamamoto as KB Commander - 4/17/2020 9:15:17 PM   
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See my edit above: Edit, SCEN 2 vanilla no mod

I can make a screenshot of him when I get the turn...I believe he was/is(?) or he can be both (?) ceo of the combfleet HQ..

....btw. A tip for the IJ players there is a naval HQ which is also marked a command HQ which gives you some upgrade function in range of it (5 normal range, means 10 range for toe upgrades). eg. in 6/43 the 25mm for IJN air support units.

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RE: Yamamoto as KB Commander - 4/18/2020 1:09:43 AM   
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USN and IJN nationality leaders who are a type 01 leader (ie an HQ leader) can also be assigned by a player to command a TF, a role normally only available for player selection, to a type 04 leader.  No fiddling with the editor is required in this instance.

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RE: Yamamoto as KB Commander - 4/19/2020 12:47:38 PM   
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So here are his stats, also I put another guy in charge of combfleet HQ so Yama became available for frontline use..




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RE: Yamamoto as KB Commander - 4/19/2020 12:49:59 PM   
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Historically Yamaguchi's suggestions and decisions at Midway were very bad.


That time. Everything was falling to pieces around him and he was thinking more with his gut than his head.

Any other time and situation, I think he would be fine.


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RE: Yamamoto as KB Commander - 4/19/2020 1:06:23 PM   
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quote:

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So here are his stats, also I put another guy in charge of combfleet HQ so Yama became available for frontline use..




Alpha - thanks for the info. I just changed out combined fleet HQ leader and now Yamamoto is available as a TF commander for me too.

Of course you can probably tell i'm a little torn between Yamamoto and Yamaguchi

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RE: Yamamoto as KB Commander - 4/19/2020 2:33:05 PM   
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6th Fleet and 8th Fleet HQ leaders are also excellent potential TF commanders Nav>70 Agg>60. I switched them out too.

oh, and 5th fleet too. 68 nav and 81 aggression

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RE: Yamamoto as KB Commander - 4/19/2020 4:36:42 PM   
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Costs 30 PPs tho - I exchanged one of them, guess there will be a delay untill he can be used as TF ceo...however the IJN has a pretty ok selection of SF and CV fleet commanders anyway. They lack however leaders for small ASW/E TFs / ships.

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RE: Yamamoto as KB Commander - 4/23/2020 3:42:31 PM   
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USN and IJN nationality leaders who are a type 01 leader (ie an HQ leader) can also be assigned by a player to command a TF, a role normally only available for player selection, to a type 04 leader.  No fiddling with the editor is required in this instance.

Alfred


Ah, another undocumented feature.

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RE: Yamamoto as KB Commander - 4/23/2020 9:21:42 PM   
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Historically Yamaguchi's suggestions and decisions at Midway were very bad.


That time. Everything was falling to pieces around him and he was thinking more with his gut than his head.

Any other time and situation, I think he would be fine.



I don't think so. His issues at Midway were very deep, i don't think they could be excluded from other missions.

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RE: Yamamoto as KB Commander - 4/23/2020 10:00:37 PM   
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Historically Yamaguchi's suggestions and decisions at Midway were very bad.


That time. Everything was falling to pieces around him and he was thinking more with his gut than his head.

Any other time and situation, I think he would be fine.



I don't think so. His issues at Midway were very deep, i don't think they could be excluded from other missions.


Very deep? Does that mean he displayed bad judgement many times previously? Like what?

Yamaguchi was the guy who tried to get Nagumo to launch a strike at the Americans immediately instead of waiting for the Midway strike to return and rearm. Nagumo had such a strike ready to go but decided to rearm it to hit Midway again when the first strike signaled that Midway's airfield was still in operation. I am not sure if Yamaguchi counselled against the switch from torpedoes to bombs but I think he would have - he knew the US Carriers had not been spotted since the Coral Sea battle.

Once the first US strike hit three of the Japanese carriers, he immediately launched his own aircraft and maneuvered successfully against Midway-based strikes. His small strike was cut to pieces but still managed to cripple Yorktown, although his pilots thought it would sink and reported so. So now he thought it was one carrier vs 1 US one (the Japanese thought Yorktown lost at Coral Sea, leaving only Enterprise and Hornet to challenge them). I don't know if a plane count would have told him there were 3 carriers because some of the US squadrons became lost and never got to the KB. Plus the Midway-based planes including TBs muddled the count.

So when he launched his second, pitifully small strike he was expecting one US Carrier, hopefully with a beat-up air group like his. He may also have been hoping to cripple as many ships as possible so that the Japanese BBs and CAs could come in and finish them off at night. I know that was Yamamoto's intention but I don't know if he ordered Yamaguchi to keep up his attacks for that purpose.

Anyway, for a guy handled a plateful of crap, I thought he did quite well. His worst decision was going down with his ship.

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RE: Yamamoto as KB Commander - 4/23/2020 10:52:31 PM   
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Apologies i made a confusion due to speed reading. I read the topic title Yamamoto and i just constructed that Mundy comment was about him too.

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RE: Yamamoto as KB Commander - 4/24/2020 12:45:11 PM   
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quote:

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USN and IJN nationality leaders who are a type 01 leader (ie an HQ leader) can also be assigned by a player to command a TF, a role normally only available for player selection, to a type 04 leader.  No fiddling with the editor is required in this instance.

Alfred


Bit of a bump - shouldn't this be recorded in an FAQ somewhere?

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RE: Yamamoto as KB Commander - 4/25/2020 9:05:23 AM   
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quote:

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USN and IJN nationality leaders who are a type 01 leader (ie an HQ leader) can also be assigned by a player to command a TF, a role normally only available for player selection, to a type 04 leader.  No fiddling with the editor is required in this instance.

Alfred


Bit of a bump - shouldn't this be recorded in an FAQ somewhere?


Look up your Editor Manual.

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