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dedicated ASW planes and plans - 4/5/2020 5:38:35 AM   
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Hii Once dedicated ASW pilots reach 70 experience which plane is better for ASW work. The Manuel implies FP but will any plane do?. It would be better to use Betty's I guess as they have the longest range. But for persistent attack, kill and area denial which plane is best suitable for ASW work if I may ask.

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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 4/5/2020 7:21:11 AM   
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Any plane with long range and decent bomb load will do.

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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 4/5/2020 10:26:47 AM   
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There are few mysteries for how ASW works:

1. Does plane attacks with all its bombs? - that would increase chance of hit
2. Is there bonus for type of attack (does DB actually dive with right altitude)? Can SS be strafed? Skip bombed?
3. What is best altitude for detection
4. Which skills are used for ASW? Does exp have any influence? How about bombing/strafing? How about Commander skills?

I would say, my submarines survive 500lb hit most f the time. You need something bigger, or mine.

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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 4/5/2020 10:57:33 AM   
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There are few mysteries for how ASW works:

1. Does plane attacks with all its bombs? - that would increase chance of hit
2. Is there bonus for type of attack (does DB actually dive with right altitude)? Can SS be strafed? Skip bombed?
3. What is best altitude for detection
4. Which skills are used for ASW? Does exp have any influence? How about bombing/strafing? How about Commander skills?

I would say, my submarines survive 500lb hit most f the time. You need something bigger, or mine.


1. I am not sure but I think Naval Search and ASW are both flown with Extended range bomb load. How many bombs is used per attack is unknown. Maybe Albert knows.

2. Don't think so.

3. 6000 ft for Naval Search, I think ASW works best at 1000 ft.

4. Good question. ASW skill obviously, not sure about bombing skills. Exp definitely has influence.

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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 4/5/2020 5:02:23 PM   
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There are few mysteries for how ASW works:

1. Does plane attacks with all its bombs? - that would increase chance of hit
2. Is there bonus for type of attack (does DB actually dive with right altitude)? Can SS be strafed? Skip bombed?
3. What is best altitude for detection
4. Which skills are used for ASW? Does exp have any influence? How about bombing/strafing? How about Commander skills?

I would say, my submarines survive 500lb hit most f the time. You need something bigger, or mine.


1. I am not sure but I think Naval Search and ASW are both flown with Extended range bomb load. How many bombs is used per attack is unknown. Maybe Albert knows.

2. Don't think so.

3. 6000 ft for Naval Search, I think ASW works best at 1000 ft.

4. Good question. ASW skill obviously, not sure about bombing skills. Exp definitely has influence.

Alfred clarified this. ASW is its own skill and does not draw on NavS, NavB, nor LowN. ASW includes both detection and attack algorithms that are unique to that mission. I have never seen a sub hit by strafing - it would have to be incapable of submerging for that to happen.
I have never seen an aircraft attack a sub twice, so I think they drop all their bombs in their first attack.

As for the OP's questions, I think he does not realize that ASW only goes out HALF the range you set for the aircraft. This is to show its more intensive search.
6000 feet is the recommended compromise between seeing farther and seeing smaller or cloud-shrouded ships/subs. Subs are a hard-to-spot target so I feel that a lower altitude is better for finding them. I do ASW at 1 or 2K feet. I do Nav Search for subs at 3 or 4 K feet.

If I have patrol aircraft in the area, I have them do the Naval Search to locate the subs and vector my ASW planes to localize and kill it. Having ASW ships around is ideal - they can react to the plane sighting, going into the sub's hex, but cannot attack until they locate it themselves.

Because of the above, I would recommend the FPs doing ASW around a TF while the bombers do Nav Search over a wide area to look for all kinds of threats.

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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 4/5/2020 5:52:08 PM   
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Problem with TF float planes is that they cannot often fly because of weather.

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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 4/5/2020 6:39:05 PM   
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Problem with TF float planes is that they cannot often fly because of weather.

But unless they are highly trained into the 70s in ASW, bombers are not going to be as effective at keeping subs at bay on an ASW mission as they would be on a Naval Search mission. Even if they don't get in an attack, spotting the sub makes avoidance of the sub more likely and increases the chances of other ASW efforts being effective. That first detection is all-important.

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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 4/6/2020 5:28:43 AM   
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Problem with TF float planes is that they cannot often fly because of weather.

But unless they are highly trained into the 70s in ASW, bombers are not going to be as effective at keeping subs at bay on an ASW mission as they would be on a Naval Search mission. Even if they don't get in an attack, spotting the sub makes avoidance of the sub more likely and increases the chances of other ASW efforts being effective. That first detection is all-important.


Then My other question will be how to form ASW groups. Is it more effective to use multi-ship groups. or is it better to use single ship multiple groups to increase the chance of detection and interception.

I believe its better to saturate know locations with single units so it might not make kills but force submarines stay submerged and use DD's for the kill. But what is the magic number for DD ASW groups. Or DD's are overkill for ASW groups.




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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 4/6/2020 6:52:39 AM   
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Problem with TF float planes is that they cannot often fly because of weather.

But unless they are highly trained into the 70s in ASW, bombers are not going to be as effective at keeping subs at bay on an ASW mission as they would be on a Naval Search mission. Even if they don't get in an attack, spotting the sub makes avoidance of the sub more likely and increases the chances of other ASW efforts being effective. That first detection is all-important.


Then My other question will be how to form ASW groups. Is it more effective to use multi-ship groups. or is it better to use single ship multiple groups to increase the chance of detection and interception.

I believe its better to saturate know locations with single units so it might not make kills but force submarines stay submerged and use DD's for the kill. But what is the magic number for DD ASW groups. Or DD's are overkill for ASW groups.


Developers confirmed that the best number is 3. You can have a fourth but it doesn't improve the chances of finding the enemy sub. Single escorts tend to be attacked by the sub first and if it get a hit, there is nothing there to go after the sub. I try to put ships with similar ASW armament together.
In the early game, Allied escorts do not have much DC capacity so they run out after four or five passes. Try to have AGs, ADs, or AKEs within a day's steaming for replenishment.

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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 4/6/2020 8:32:55 AM   
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Then My other question will be how to form ASW groups. Is it more effective to use multi-ship groups. or is it better to use single ship multiple groups to increase the chance of detection and interception.

I believe its better to saturate know locations with single units so it might not make kills but force submarines stay submerged and use DD's for the kill. But what is the magic number for DD ASW groups. Or DD's are overkill for ASW groups.

There were tests made some years ago, and the main thing which counts in SS detection is number of ASW weapons. Most of the time I see no more, than 2 ships making an attack, but you have to consider, that SS will attack fist, and can sink one of your ships before detection.

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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 4/6/2020 9:57:19 AM   
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In some places like PH, it is beneficial to have couple of dedicated bomber groups e.g. Liberators with long range for ASW.

With ships, always have ASW TF of lesser ships undocked in major base. Even AI knows how to use SSX minisubs and I have had nasty surprises when SSXs have torpedoed large APX or BB in port. Low endurance PC/SC etc. ships work well in that role.

Some places I have been attacked by IJN SSX are PH, Auckland, Sydney, Colombo, Bombay and Karachi. It's not huge annoyance mostly, but couple of times those pesky minisubs have gotten lucky.

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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 4/7/2020 12:49:19 AM   
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In some places like PH, it is beneficial to have couple of dedicated bomber groups e.g. Liberators with long range for ASW.

With ships, always have ASW TF of lesser ships undocked in major base. Even AI knows how to use SSX minisubs and I have had nasty surprises when SSXs have torpedoed large APX or BB in port. Low endurance PC/SC etc. ships work well in that role.

Some places I have been attacked by IJN SSX are PH, Auckland, Sydney, Colombo, Bombay and Karachi. It's not huge annoyance mostly, but couple of times those pesky minisubs have gotten lucky.

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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 4/7/2020 1:25:45 AM   
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There's lots of choke points around the home islands and between Amoy and Luzon where Anns and Marys can do a good job. As soon as you can arrange it all searchplane crews should be trained in ASW. All carrier bomber crews should be trained in it, so they suppress whether doing straight ASW or Naval Search. I've had good results with Lily DBs from 10k feet. Your carrier dive bombers are going to have to be able to do the job from DB altitude if they're going to be ready for a carrier battle. Whatever type IJA plane you like for Naval attack should be used for ASW as well, they're apt to be positioned where both jobs are needed, I like Lilys and Peggy(T)s for that. I wish you could do it with Nicks.

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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 4/7/2020 7:46:09 AM   
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In some places like PH, it is beneficial to have couple of dedicated bomber groups e.g. Liberators with long range for ASW.

With ships, always have ASW TF of lesser ships undocked in major base. Even AI knows how to use SSX minisubs and I have had nasty surprises when SSXs have torpedoed large APX or BB in port. Low endurance PC/SC etc. ships work well in that role.

Some places I have been attacked by IJN SSX are PH, Auckland, Sydney, Colombo, Bombay and Karachi. It's not huge annoyance mostly, but couple of times those pesky minisubs have gotten lucky.

APX? They torpedoed your brothel ship! Wah Crime!


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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 4/7/2020 12:53:16 PM   
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Put them on 30% search, 30% ASW, 40% rest, max normal range, and check back in 90 days.

You might be surprised with the results.

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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 7/29/2020 2:38:13 AM   
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Because of the above, I would recommend the FPs doing ASW around a TF while the bombers do Nav Search over a wide area to look for all kinds of threats.


In general, what is the percentage of the bombers that you put on Nav Search? Do you have a mixed % on Rest/Training? I'm trying to figure this out now, and not sure what is optimal here...


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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 7/29/2020 3:44:45 AM   
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It depends. If you have good flying boat coverage from shore, advance submarines, picket ships, and such things like that, you won't need much. If you are going into enemy territory where you might get ambushed . . .

Read some AARs, ask questions there if people don't explain why.

Sometimes, all of your bombers will do ASW to sanitize an area while your fighters provide CAP coverage but no offensive air strikes are going to come from your carriers.

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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 7/29/2020 3:46:43 AM   
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Because of the above, I would recommend the FPs doing ASW around a TF while the bombers do Nav Search over a wide area to look for all kinds of threats.


In general, what is the percentage of the bombers that you put on Nav Search? Do you have a mixed % on Rest/Training? I'm trying to figure this out now, and not sure what is optimal here...


Depends. What kind of bombers. What are you searching for. What other missions do you have for the bombers. Do you have patrol aircraft that can handle the search.

Whatever you do, do NOT suppose that a searched arc will always detect enemy shipping or subs. You have chances, and overlapping search arcs have more chances, and adding sub patrols and surface patrols adds more chances, but storms and die rolls can wreck every precaution. Keep some stopping power at your base or close to it.

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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 7/29/2020 4:01:46 AM   
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Remember that float planes do not always fly. Do not depend upon the Tone's search plane to find enemy carriers . . .

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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 7/29/2020 4:10:38 AM   
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Alright. Thanks for the suggestions. So there is no real general rule, a lot depends on the situation. What about training? How often do you put your bombers on a training mission - let's say when your carriers are in a relatively safe (behind the lines) area?


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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 7/29/2020 4:16:11 AM   
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Read some AARs, ask questions there if people don't explain why.


Yes. I am slowly moving through various AARs. It's a time consuming process, but I take many notes and it definitely helps get a good grasp of how to manage different aspects of the game.

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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 7/29/2020 11:26:59 AM   
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Alright. Thanks for the suggestions. So there is no real general rule, a lot depends on the situation. What about training? How often do you put your bombers on a training mission - let's say when your carriers are in a relatively safe (behind the lines) area?


It does help. You do not need to keep your ships at sea all of the time. When not on the front lines, the air units should be training their primary, secondary, and tertiary missions. As well as resting to reduce fatigue and for repairing aircraft.

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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 7/29/2020 2:26:20 PM   
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Put them on 30% search, 30% ASW, 40% rest, max normal range, and check back in 90 days.

You might be surprised with the results.


Interesting advice - I will try this.

Are you referring to Ship Based Float Planes ?

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The Allies are thin on ASW assets AND capability early; by 42 that starts to change.

For West Coast / PH / Key bases and LAND based float plane squadrons I set 60% ASW / 20% train / 20% rest Alt = 1000

As they gain experience up to 70 ASW you can / I do alter the distribution i.e. less training.

As noted the ASW algorithm - as I understand - includes spot and attack. Admittedly the attack seems sparse and the results less than impressive but the action of spotting also seems to assist any nearby task force avoid sub attacks.

At least that is my impression.



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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 7/29/2020 2:42:40 PM   
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Alright. Thanks for the suggestions. So there is no real general rule, a lot depends on the situation. What about training? How often do you put your bombers on a training mission - let's say when your carriers are in a relatively safe (behind the lines) area?


It does help. You do not need to keep your ships at sea all of the time. When not on the front lines, the air units should be training their primary, secondary, and tertiary missions. As well as resting to reduce fatigue and for repairing aircraft.



Completely concur

You will not have your Carrier TFs always at the "sharp end of the spear".

However when you are approaching a live fire zone make certain you review and adjust allocations !!!

When in transit or in port for upgrades / repairs you should take advantage of training time. Every little orange percentage will help you in the long run.

My own preference is to train

Dive Bombers : Primarily Naval B into 70+ Airfield as secondary
Torpedo Bombers : Primarily Naval T into 70+ and Port as secondary - however you have fiddle with Torp Planes a bit more if you "Torp at Alt = 5000 and Bomb at Alt = 15000 for example"

They also improve defensive bonus which is important.


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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 7/29/2020 3:29:42 PM   
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No one mentioned this to the op question:

but I have found using planes with some type of radar or even MAD work better than non-equipped planes.

With respect to using 30/30/40 mix for orders, I would say that is valid if the particular skills are trained high enough to merit. Pilots with a 30 NavS and 70 ASW skill rating would be horribly used in such a manner.

Also, if you don't assign search arcs, I am not sure how the AI assigns such dual use groups...does each portion get a different random arc setting to start from or the same starting arc for both groups? And then the arc isn't a big as it would be if it was one group set to 60%.

Float planes are precious in ASW work, but not for ASW patrols. There are only two planes that can search at night: float planes and patrols.

If anything, high skill, high experience ASW pilots with good technology are excessively lethal to submarines especially as you near the end game. They maybe too effective beginning as soon as the mid game even without technology advances. Any player that has unleashed a CV flight dedicated to killing subs knows of which I speak. Or it may simply be that most players allocate excessive resources to fighting the submarine threat.




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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 7/29/2020 7:17:53 PM   
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...<snip>> but I have found using planes with some type of radar or even MAD work better than non-equipped planes.

...<snip> Float planes are precious in ASW work, but not for ASW patrols. There are only two planes that can search at night: float planes and patrols.



Good points both.

The question is a bit broad. Land based verses ship based. Early 42 verses late 44.

Very different circumstances.

My points above speak to early 42 as the Allies when all you have are (i) too many Wirraways in Australia (ii) not enough Catalinas in the USA and (iii) nothing in India




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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 7/29/2020 8:07:53 PM   
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Early, I set the float planes to 50% search and 50% training. Once their skills get high enough, then they train for ASW.

The Whirlaways are great for ASW near the ports while also training for that.

Don't forget to train the carrier aircraft for search. I usually use the DBs for that. Torpedo planes for ASW since they carry more bombs.

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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 7/30/2020 4:48:50 AM   
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With respect to using 30/30/40 mix for orders, I would say that is valid if the particular skills are trained high enough to merit. Pilots with a 30 NavS and 70 ASW skill rating would be horribly used in such a manner.




Importantly though, this part:

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and check back in 90 days.


The 40% rest means you should keep fatigue and ops losses low* (and morale steady, with an average leader). Even if they are low on one skill, they will get better at it by doing it for 3 months. That 30 will climb quickly.

@Macclan5 - no I was referring to land based PB groups. Shipborne float planes do not reliably fly, and I tend to have them either about 50 activity/50 rest whether they are ASW or general search. In any bombardment group, they go on zero range recon and usually at night.

*Not specifically relevant, but the best way to minimize operational attrition of allied transport aircraft flying the hump is to -

- maintain 50% rest
- fly within normal range
- fly at 'easy altitude' 8-10k
- if you can, put in a non flying CO with maybe average ratings, but some inspiration and admin fu seems to help.

The general principles behind that approach apply to all types of (land based) air activity. Putting out 90% or 100% of a group's aircraft for a strike is an emergency surge, extended range is only for operational necessities, and in general terms you should almost always have your groups devote 10% effort to training and at least 30% to rest.

Carrier aircraft groups are handled differently because they get a lot of time to train and rest during yard periods. In game terms, 100% train, zero range, 10k ft while their carrier is tied up.

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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 7/30/2020 11:05:25 AM   
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1000 feet seems to improve their defence and it does not affect the relevent skill for fighter on escort missions nor bombers on Naval missions where the ammo is the torpedo.

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RE: dedicated ASW planes and plans - 8/5/2020 7:18:25 PM   
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Which is better to increase skill level
60 ASW 40 rest of
30 ASW 30 training ASW and 40. rest

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