Tyronec vs BrianG. 12.03
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Tyronec vs BrianG. 12.03
Coming back to WITE after a 2 year break, it has been tricky getting familiar with the game again. Have forgotten so much about how the dynamics work and what to expect from combat results.
We are playing Random weather, Full blizzard, No bonus.
T1 and thought I would try something new for me and sent all of PG2 to AGS.
AGN and AGC went more or less to plan.
Had some difficulties with AGS, had intended to isolate the circled group of units but ran into some strong Tank divisions and failed to complete the encirclement.
So there are a lot of units here that are just ZOC locked.
L'Vov pocket as normal.
We are playing Random weather, Full blizzard, No bonus.
T1 and thought I would try something new for me and sent all of PG2 to AGS.
AGN and AGC went more or less to plan.
Had some difficulties with AGS, had intended to isolate the circled group of units but ran into some strong Tank divisions and failed to complete the encirclement.
So there are a lot of units here that are just ZOC locked.
L'Vov pocket as normal.
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T2
AGN is all OK, get a couple of divisions across the river at Pskov.
AGC and Brian is holding a forward delaying action. Isolate the 4 divisions circled, it won't hold but can cut them off properly next turn. Also ZOC lock another division just south.
AGS. Brian did the 'bomb and attack' the Panzer unit on the Romanian border and got a fortunate result to open the L'Vov pocket.
I reclose it and make an expanded pocket grabbing a few more divisions in the process, hoping that this would hold for next turn.
Rather than move a lot of PG2 up to AGC have instead transferred most of them to PG1 and switched the frozen PG1 units to PG2. Has cost a lot of admin points but is going to get more panzers fighting quicker.
AGC and Brian is holding a forward delaying action. Isolate the 4 divisions circled, it won't hold but can cut them off properly next turn. Also ZOC lock another division just south.
AGS. Brian did the 'bomb and attack' the Panzer unit on the Romanian border and got a fortunate result to open the L'Vov pocket.
I reclose it and make an expanded pocket grabbing a few more divisions in the process, hoping that this would hold for next turn.
Rather than move a lot of PG2 up to AGC have instead transferred most of them to PG1 and switched the frozen PG1 units to PG2. Has cost a lot of admin points but is going to get more panzers fighting quicker.
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The lark, signing its chirping hymn,
Soars high above the clouds;
Meanwhile, the nightingale intones
With sweet, mellifluous sounds.
Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
Soars high above the clouds;
Meanwhile, the nightingale intones
With sweet, mellifluous sounds.
Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
T3.
AGN. Not many Soviets around, just grab some terrain with the Panzers.
AGC. Vitebsk area - have three Panzer corps moving in.
Have all 5 divisions near Minsk properly isolated, is tying up a whole Panzer Corps and am not 100% sure if am doing the right thing here. Pockets should hold unless he relieves with more units.
AGS. Not good, Brian pulls off another borderline attack and opens up the whole pocket.
Try to do some herding as best I can but a couple of divisions get routed out. Have sealed it all again and hopefully this time all will be OK. Have done my best to keep a 3 hex corridor just south of the marshes.
Am making mistakes here because am not up to speed with what is likely to happen with combats and how much movement Soviet units are getting, guess it is all experience.
Push down to Odessa and isolate some Soviets, should have used another unit here...
The good news down South is at least the FBDs have not been held up at all.
Feeling somewhat nervous about what is going to come back next turn.
AGC. Vitebsk area - have three Panzer corps moving in.
Have all 5 divisions near Minsk properly isolated, is tying up a whole Panzer Corps and am not 100% sure if am doing the right thing here. Pockets should hold unless he relieves with more units.
AGS. Not good, Brian pulls off another borderline attack and opens up the whole pocket.
Try to do some herding as best I can but a couple of divisions get routed out. Have sealed it all again and hopefully this time all will be OK. Have done my best to keep a 3 hex corridor just south of the marshes.
Am making mistakes here because am not up to speed with what is likely to happen with combats and how much movement Soviet units are getting, guess it is all experience.
Push down to Odessa and isolate some Soviets, should have used another unit here...
The good news down South is at least the FBDs have not been held up at all.
Feeling somewhat nervous about what is going to come back next turn.
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The lark, signing its chirping hymn,
Soars high above the clouds;
Meanwhile, the nightingale intones
With sweet, mellifluous sounds.
Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
Soars high above the clouds;
Meanwhile, the nightingale intones
With sweet, mellifluous sounds.
Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
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RE: T3.
+1!
Regarding the Southern Lvov pocket, there is a safer variation: Have the southernmost regiment one hex West compared to your setup (in Novoselitzky).
Then again, it is completely human to miss such a detail during the daunting T1. Although I have some doubts whether you aren't in fact an AI given your output of turns [:D]
It looks like you have already bagged some extra units in the South-good job with that! Do the Soviets even have the ability to rail out from the South with the new rail rules? (not that Brian would bother running away even if he could).
Regarding the Southern Lvov pocket, there is a safer variation: Have the southernmost regiment one hex West compared to your setup (in Novoselitzky).
Then again, it is completely human to miss such a detail during the daunting T1. Although I have some doubts whether you aren't in fact an AI given your output of turns [:D]
It looks like you have already bagged some extra units in the South-good job with that! Do the Soviets even have the ability to rail out from the South with the new rail rules? (not that Brian would bother running away even if he could).
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T4
Thanks for the kind words guys.
AGN. Get across the river, though the spearhead is a bit thin. there doesn't seem to be that much defending Leningrad, guess I will find out over the next few moves.
AGC. Mop up the pockets from last turn. No defence of the land bridge so that Panzer Corps being held up did no harm
AGS. Another setback, this time the pocket was broken by a marauding Cav. division. Hope it is better sealed this time and have not routed anything out. Seal off a couple of divisions around Odessa.
AGN. Get across the river, though the spearhead is a bit thin. there doesn't seem to be that much defending Leningrad, guess I will find out over the next few moves.
AGC. Mop up the pockets from last turn. No defence of the land bridge so that Panzer Corps being held up did no harm
AGS. Another setback, this time the pocket was broken by a marauding Cav. division. Hope it is better sealed this time and have not routed anything out. Seal off a couple of divisions around Odessa.
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Meanwhile, the nightingale intones
With sweet, mellifluous sounds.
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T5.
AGN. Fairly quiet, Soviets are keeping at the limits of my supply range.
AGC. Again Soviets are mostly retreating so no combat at all. Pocket a couple of units left behind, took two Panzer Corps to do this and he can likely break it next turn but am not going to refuse anything on offer..
AGS. My pocket finally holds, quite a relief. Have caught a few extra units in this pocket and routed very little out so not really sure who has benefited the most from it being held open. Leave a couple of Corps and the Romanians to clear it out and build up ready to assault below Kiev.
In the South just fail and assault across the swampy river so that will have to wait till next turn; no defence of Odessa.
AGC. Again Soviets are mostly retreating so no combat at all. Pocket a couple of units left behind, took two Panzer Corps to do this and he can likely break it next turn but am not going to refuse anything on offer..
AGS. My pocket finally holds, quite a relief. Have caught a few extra units in this pocket and routed very little out so not really sure who has benefited the most from it being held open. Leave a couple of Corps and the Romanians to clear it out and build up ready to assault below Kiev.
In the South just fail and assault across the swampy river so that will have to wait till next turn; no defence of Odessa.
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Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
Soars high above the clouds;
Meanwhile, the nightingale intones
With sweet, mellifluous sounds.
Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
RE: T5.
Interesting openers =)
As a newer player, I'm curious about your ratio of retreat/holds. Also, anything interesting in the air, and what game version is this?
As a newer player, I'm curious about your ratio of retreat/holds. Also, anything interesting in the air, and what game version is this?
RE: T5.
Good job with everything so far. Very fast progress. Don't know why Brian is not putting up any resistance. In the newest patch it is much more worth it for the Soviets.
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RE: T5.
@eskuche: I say that because of the experience bug fix and the increased manpower multipliers.
Both of these changes (which are good from my POV) mean that the Soviets can afford to lose more troops during the summer of 1941 since they can: a) replace losses more efficiently because of the increased manpower multipliers and b) they can train destroyed formations a lot faster.
So a running away strategy is not the best course of action. I have no idea why Bran didn't hold on to the landbridge. He could have delayed the Germans there for some time.
Both of these changes (which are good from my POV) mean that the Soviets can afford to lose more troops during the summer of 1941 since they can: a) replace losses more efficiently because of the increased manpower multipliers and b) they can train destroyed formations a lot faster.
So a running away strategy is not the best course of action. I have no idea why Bran didn't hold on to the landbridge. He could have delayed the Germans there for some time.
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T6
No change since we started, still 12.03.As a newer player, I'm curious about your ratio of retreat/holds. Also, anything interesting in the air, and what game version is this?
The game is beginning to settle down and can see how the Soviets are going to play, at least for now.
Strongish defence up in the North against Finland. Zhukov is around Leningrad with reasonable forces.
No solid line in the center yet, so looks like they are delaying fighting in front of Moscow until forced to when my FBD gets a bit closer.
Retreated from Kiev without defending the river, but some stronger forces in the Crimea.
They do some unit bombing each turn and one attack against AGN where there was an exposed division.
Last time I played, a couple of years ago, the maximum Axis could achieve in '41 was Leningrad/Moscow/Rostov/Sevastapol is everything went very well, so will try for that and not sure if it is possible.
Finland. Get a fortunate good combat result and am across the river.
Leningrad is the first priority, AGN is a bit thin. Thought of moving PG3 up but that would keep them out of action for too long. Instead I start shifting a lot of pioneers to OKH and fly all the bombers from AGC up. Manage to pocket one stack using all the Panzers, hope it will hold.
AGC, Soviets just pulling back. They were a bit thin in the North so advance with one Panzer corps and push a couple of units out of the way. Just 10 hexes from Moscow ! Not sure if it is worth it but do an HQBuildup with another corps, if I can get the infantry closer to Moscow quickly it has got to be good.
AGS. Kiev - just following up, leave one panzer corps from PG2 here waiting to push north and join the battle for Moscow.
South. Have moved all of PG1 down towards the Crimes, hoping Brian won't spot them this turn. Aiming to push into the Crimea next turn and start assaulting Sevastapol asap while using most of the panzers to push towards Satlino and Rostov.
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The lark, signing its chirping hymn,
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Meanwhile, the nightingale intones
With sweet, mellifluous sounds.
Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
T7
Finns grind forwards in the North, most Soviet units have withdrawn. That one fortunate attack across the river makes all the difference.
AGN. Soviets broke my pocket with a lucky attack, though didn't get anything out. Reseal it better and take a few more hexes. Just don't have enough units to do much towards Valdai. Think I should have sent 2nd Army up North a few moves back. having to change around all my artillery because hadn't realised some of them are so much better against forts.
AGC. Looking to open up Valdai from the South, so attack there with some of 2nd Army and the Panzer Corps that did the HQBuildup last turn, make a wee pocket. Am hoping that the threat of a big pocket will force the Soviets to pull back and give the AGN FBD a clear run East.
Advance 2 more hexes towards Moscow, can only use Panzers on alternate moves because of lack of supply.
AGS. Soviet defences were a bit thin around Chernagov so was able to cut through and make a weak pocket with the PG2 panzer Corps. They are short of fuel but hopefully can work their way up to Moscow now.
Crimea. Looks like Brian had not spotted the extra 2 Panzer Corps around Nikolaev. Cut through into the Crimea and make a good pocket, overrunning a few air bases in the process.
AGN. Soviets broke my pocket with a lucky attack, though didn't get anything out. Reseal it better and take a few more hexes. Just don't have enough units to do much towards Valdai. Think I should have sent 2nd Army up North a few moves back. having to change around all my artillery because hadn't realised some of them are so much better against forts.
AGC. Looking to open up Valdai from the South, so attack there with some of 2nd Army and the Panzer Corps that did the HQBuildup last turn, make a wee pocket. Am hoping that the threat of a big pocket will force the Soviets to pull back and give the AGN FBD a clear run East.
Advance 2 more hexes towards Moscow, can only use Panzers on alternate moves because of lack of supply.
AGS. Soviet defences were a bit thin around Chernagov so was able to cut through and make a weak pocket with the PG2 panzer Corps. They are short of fuel but hopefully can work their way up to Moscow now.
Crimea. Looks like Brian had not spotted the extra 2 Panzer Corps around Nikolaev. Cut through into the Crimea and make a good pocket, overrunning a few air bases in the process.
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The lark, signing its chirping hymn,
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With sweet, mellifluous sounds.
Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
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Meanwhile, the nightingale intones
With sweet, mellifluous sounds.
Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
RE: T7
From another thread but I thought worth quoting as presumably from this game
ORIGINAL: BrianG
oranienbaum fort
I can confirm this fort is now tough nut to crack.
now 3 and 0 in battles
just survived a 20:1 German attack, fort dropped from 4.22 to 4.12.
I now advise never disbanding it!!!
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T8
Tried attacking Oranienbaum with a regiment this turn, probably not worth it.
Fairly quiet turn, surprisingly all four pockets held and got them cleared out.
Soviets did a some counter attacks, routing a couple of Infantry Divs where my line is thin by surrounding them with Cav. and then a mass attack. Don't like this but at least it ties up a lot of troops who could otherwise be defending Moscow.
Reasonable progress towards Leningrad and now 5 hexes from Moscow, but really the Soviets are just pulling back against AGC and AGS so just have to be patient. A lot of mud on the map this turn too.
Not sure if they will defend Sevastapol but my guess is probably not.
Fairly quiet turn, surprisingly all four pockets held and got them cleared out.
Soviets did a some counter attacks, routing a couple of Infantry Divs where my line is thin by surrounding them with Cav. and then a mass attack. Don't like this but at least it ties up a lot of troops who could otherwise be defending Moscow.
Reasonable progress towards Leningrad and now 5 hexes from Moscow, but really the Soviets are just pulling back against AGC and AGS so just have to be patient. A lot of mud on the map this turn too.
Not sure if they will defend Sevastapol but my guess is probably not.
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The lark, signing its chirping hymn,
Soars high above the clouds;
Meanwhile, the nightingale intones
With sweet, mellifluous sounds.
Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
Soars high above the clouds;
Meanwhile, the nightingale intones
With sweet, mellifluous sounds.
Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
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RE: T5.
ORIGINAL: xhoel
Good job with everything so far. Very fast progress. Don't know why Brian is not putting up any resistance. In the newest patch it is much more worth it for the Soviets.
The diminished rail capacity turns 1-3 is hard for the Soviets to get a semi-good defense in place during those turns. But starting turn 4 the Soviets can rail units right up to the front in front of where the Germans are where before those units would have to walk because the rail was used to moved industry. With such an increasing rail capacity the Soviets can pretty much move all the new reinforcements to the front and still move out all of their Industry.
German Turn 1 opening moves. The post that keeps on giving https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/view ... 1&t=390004
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RE: T7
ORIGINAL: tyronec
Crimea. Looks like Brian had not spotted the extra 2 Panzer Corps around Nikolaev. Cut through into the Crimea and make a good pocket, overrunning a few air bases in the process.
Very nice pocket in the Crimea.
German Turn 1 opening moves. The post that keeps on giving https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/view ... 1&t=390004
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RE: T7
Are you willing to post the OOB and loss screen?
German Turn 1 opening moves. The post that keeps on giving https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/view ... 1&t=390004