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RE: OT: Greyhound movie - 3/6/2020 6:18:28 AM   
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Not going to pay for this type of BS in any format.

Are there children now working as studio executives?

Or maybe they view the large audience as having the attention span and general interests of small children?
This might be a real possibility, it would in turn open up interesting speculations about the future of our societies as a whole.

Seems the genre is "war horror", evil nazis taunting from the radio and sneak attacking with their U-boats in evil nazi warpaint.

Unbelievable.



Have you read about the Battle of the Atlantic? It was horrible. The Nazis were evil, and were the first to carry out unrestricted submarine warfare, targeting passenger liners and sometimes even hospital ships.
Lord Ha-Ha and Goebbels did taunt the Allies about their losses.
And my father participated in sinking a U-boat that had a big sawfish emblem on the conning tower - warpaint! And he had to help rescue victims of the U-boats: oil covered and often burned or suffering broken bones.

All that does not mean all Germans were evil - not all were Nazis and most were just being loyal to their country when they went to fight. That doesn't matter to the Allied sailors who were targets for their torpedoes and the escort crews whose job was to kill the U-boats. A movie or book written from the Allied side is inevitably going to cast the Axis side as the bad guys.




I have read a lot about it and this caricature does not seem to depict it very accurately.
From the trailer I got the impression it was an U-boat captain trasmitting to the convoy and not Goebbels taunting from Berlin, maybe I made a mistake.

The Laughing Sawfish? The same one that was in Das Boot? 9th Flotilla? Was it perhaps the U-217 or the U-450?

Generally these emblems where not very scary, often they where actually funny and never did they cover the entire conning tower with bright colours.

I would not blame the author but the studio and producers, this movie reminds me of Iron Sky, in that movie nazis have a secret base in the dark side of the moon..

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RE: OT: Greyhound movie - 3/6/2020 7:42:21 AM   
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This look worthy of a trip to the cinema.

The CGI looks okay - but as with aircraft, why does everything have to be so close together? In the opening seconds of the clip those three destroyers are travelling at a rate of knots about 5-foot apart!

Tom Hanks has to be my favourite actor (a pretty remarkable career and some pretty good films to say the least) and I see Stephen Graham dons an American accent for this one (another good actor).

So yes, this will get me purchasing a ticket.

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RE: OT: Greyhound movie - 3/6/2020 9:53:56 AM   
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I'm looking forward to this one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VVHKXPyeV4


This looks good to me! I trust Hanks much more to tell a compelling story with some semblance of reality to the combat interactions. I'll watch it.

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RE: OT: Greyhound movie - 3/6/2020 12:00:03 PM   
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Here she is with her brother. She is wearing a red collar and nothing else . . .






A couple of real cuties, but if those collars don't have stretch sections built in they are on way too tight.

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RE: OT: Greyhound movie - 3/6/2020 2:17:10 PM   
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Much like nose art on bombers and fighters the 'art' on U-boat conning towers had little to no official controls on it as to size and color. The "Laughing Swordfish" in green was semi-officially adopted by the 9th Flotilla but apparently it was used by many different U-boats. Apparently it also appeared in red and black on the conning towers of other U-boats.

https://uboat.net/special/emblems/popular.html


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RE: OT: Greyhound movie - 3/6/2020 3:43:57 PM   
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Well I don't really watch movies for educational purposes.

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RE: OT: Greyhound movie - 3/6/2020 3:58:12 PM   
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Much like nose art on bombers and fighters the 'art' on U-boat conning towers had little to no official controls on it as to size and color. The "Laughing Swordfish" in green was semi-officially adopted by the 9th Flotilla but apparently it was used by many different U-boats. Apparently it also appeared in red and black on the conning towers of other U-boats.

https://uboat.net/special/emblems/popular.html



but in the movie, it seems as if it was used to taunt enemy, which is kind of absurd in a stealth vessel, same as having a "phone call" with captain Tom Hanks, c'mon!

that said, I will still watch it

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RE: OT: Greyhound movie - 3/6/2020 4:24:58 PM   
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I won't watch it.

I understand the rationale of those who will - that it's the best we can hope for in these time. They're right, although I suspect from time to time, somebody will come along and get it right.

For now, we'll have to do without the non-CGI grandeur of Doctor Zhivago, Gettysburg, Schindler's List, and The Lord of the Rings. And wonder if they'll ever be able to make movies like that again, given the labor component of six zillion extras and on-site filming expense.

But we can still enjoy excellently made "small sets" that don't require CGI. I can pop in my DVD of Twelve Angry Men or go back and see Knives Out for a third time.

But I can't sit through video games. I don't know if my way of viewing movies is unique or ubiquitous, but I become immersed in them. I love that feeling. But there's no immersion when the graphics stink to high heaven.



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RE: OT: Greyhound movie - 3/6/2020 4:41:37 PM   
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Much like nose art on bombers and fighters the 'art' on U-boat conning towers had little to no official controls on it as to size and color. The "Laughing Swordfish" in green was semi-officially adopted by the 9th Flotilla but apparently it was used by many different U-boats. Apparently it also appeared in red and black on the conning towers of other U-boats.






Yes, that is the site that I used to check what boats carried the famous Laughing Swordfish.
Olympic rings where propably the most colourful emblem in use, I guess the IOC would not like to see them in the movie.

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RE: OT: Greyhound movie - 3/6/2020 4:55:39 PM   
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Much like nose art on bombers and fighters the 'art' on U-boat conning towers had little to no official controls on it as to size and color. The "Laughing Swordfish" in green was semi-officially adopted by the 9th Flotilla but apparently it was used by many different U-boats. Apparently it also appeared in red and black on the conning towers of other U-boats.





but in the movie, it seems as if it was used to taunt enemy, which is kind of absurd in a stealth vessel, same as having a "phone call" with captain Tom Hanks, c'mon!

that said, I will still watch it


Taunting the audience, also in the phone call.
War horror genre, like the film Overlord, better than snakes on a plane or sharks in a tornado..
I can imagine the studio executives brainstorming this based on some audience research.

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RE: OT: Greyhound movie - 3/6/2020 4:58:35 PM   
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For now, we'll have to do without the non-CGI grandeur of ...The Lord of the Rings.



The LOTR trilogy that I remember had beaucoup CGI. In hindsight, looking back on the sieges of Minas Tirath and Helm's Deep, the CGI is quite obvious. C'mon man-horses don't fall that way when they get hobbled or hit by an arrow or an olephant! And the way Legolas is obviously *not* firing arrows out of his never-ending quiver! I don't see how you can watch this eye poison!

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RE: OT: Greyhound movie - 3/6/2020 5:07:37 PM   
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You're right. It did have CGI. But in the overall scheme of the movie, the CGI was comparatively small - a lot of the orcs, etc., where actors/extras made up. So the feel of the movie is good.

My boys say that it's weird - that the CGI in the LOTR trilogy (early 2000s) looks much better than the CGI used in the later "prequel" Hobbit trilogy. That seems counterintuitive - that CGI effects have gotten worse with the passage of time? Judging by movies like Midway and Dauntless and (apparently) The Greyhound, I'd agree.

That most recent Mad Max movie is another anomaly. It used a bit of CGI (for that big tornado storm, etc.) but a lot of the dramatic effects for vehicles, explosions, etc. were the real thing.

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RE: OT: Greyhound movie - 3/6/2020 5:42:37 PM   
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I loved Interstellar, they made a wormhole though in space so some of you are not allowed to watch such fantasy!!

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RE: OT: Greyhound movie - 3/6/2020 8:34:39 PM   
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Here she is with her brother. She is wearing a red collar and nothing else . . .






A couple of real cuties, but if those collars don't have stretch sections built in they are on way too tight.


In the picture, her collar is in her mouth it was that loose.

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RE: OT: Greyhound movie - 3/6/2020 8:50:23 PM   
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You're right. It did have CGI. But in the overall scheme of the movie, the CGI was comparatively small - a lot of the orcs, etc., where actors/extras made up. So the feel of the movie is good.

My boys say that it's weird - that the CGI in the LOTR trilogy (early 2000s) looks much better than the CGI used in the later "prequel" Hobbit trilogy. That seems counterintuitive - that CGI effects have gotten worse with the passage of time? Judging by movies like Midway and Dauntless and (apparently) The Greyhound, I'd agree.

That most recent Mad Max movie is another anomaly. It used a bit of CGI (for that big tornado storm, etc.) but a lot of the dramatic effects for vehicles, explosions, etc. were the real thing.



The issues with the Hobbit CGI may rest with the ultra high frame rate they chose to use. There was much discussion on the internet prior to release regarding that aspect and whether, or not, it was a mistake that was going to ruin the product.

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RE: OT: Greyhound movie - 3/7/2020 6:28:03 AM   
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Much like nose art on bombers and fighters the 'art' on U-boat conning towers had little to no official controls on it as to size and color. The "Laughing Swordfish" in green was semi-officially adopted by the 9th Flotilla but apparently it was used by many different U-boats. Apparently it also appeared in red and black on the conning towers of other U-boats.





but in the movie, it seems as if it was used to taunt enemy, which is kind of absurd in a stealth vessel, same as having a "phone call" with captain Tom Hanks, c'mon!

that said, I will still watch it


War horror genre, like the film Overlord

warspite1

I might have read this wrong but are you suggesting Greyhound is in the same category as Overlord? Obviously for the former I can only go on the preview, but I've seen the latter and I do hope that is not what you are suggesting.


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RE: OT: Greyhound movie - 3/7/2020 12:16:39 PM   
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Oh, Chickenboy. The graphics. The graphics. Oh, the humanity!

Tom Hanks is such a great actor. I think he produced or directed this. I wish he had insisted upon realism and hadn't settled for anything less. Oh, for something like D-Day in Saving Private Ryan or Dunkirk in Dunkirk.

In twenty years (if the world still exists), movie audiences will look back on this era of movie-making special effects with horror, as we who grew up in the '70s look back on leisure suits and bell bottoms.

Oh, the humanity.


I couldn't agree more!


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RE: OT: Greyhound movie - 3/7/2020 12:24:05 PM   
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I won't watch it.

I understand the rationale of those who will - that it's the best we can hope for in these time. They're right, although I suspect from time to time, somebody will come along and get it right.

For now, we'll have to do without the non-CGI grandeur of Doctor Zhivago, Gettysburg, Schindler's List, and The Lord of the Rings. And wonder if they'll ever be able to make movies like that again, given the labor component of six zillion extras and on-site filming expense.

But we can still enjoy excellently made "small sets" that don't require CGI. I can pop in my DVD of Twelve Angry Men or go back and see Knives Out for a third time.

But I can't sit through video games. I don't know if my way of viewing movies is unique or ubiquitous, but I become immersed in them. I love that feeling. But there's no immersion when the graphics stink to high heaven.




absolutely agree... looks all wrong and to top the idiocy is that phone call of the German sub captain... omfg what's wrong with all those movie makers?


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RE: OT: Greyhound movie - 3/7/2020 4:19:37 PM   
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Much like nose art on bombers and fighters the 'art' on U-boat conning towers had little to no official controls on it as to size and color. The "Laughing Swordfish" in green was semi-officially adopted by the 9th Flotilla but apparently it was used by many different U-boats. Apparently it also appeared in red and black on the conning towers of other U-boats.





but in the movie, it seems as if it was used to taunt enemy, which is kind of absurd in a stealth vessel, same as having a "phone call" with captain Tom Hanks, c'mon!

that said, I will still watch it


War horror genre, like the film Overlord

warspite1

I might have read this wrong but are you suggesting Greyhound is in the same category as Overlord? Obviously for the former I can only go on the preview, but I've seen the latter and I do hope that is not what you are suggesting.




Not the same genre really but some of the scenes are more from a horror film or parody like Iron Sky.

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RE: OT: Greyhound movie - 3/7/2020 4:22:20 PM   
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absolutely agree... looks all wrong and to top the idiocy is that phone call of the German sub captain... omfg what's wrong with all those movie makers?



Most dont care or know much about history and they live in parallel universe called Hollywood.

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RE: OT: Greyhound movie - 3/7/2020 5:00:07 PM   
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I won't watch it.

I understand the rationale of those who will - that it's the best we can hope for in these time. They're right, although I suspect from time to time, somebody will come along and get it right.

For now, we'll have to do without the non-CGI grandeur of Doctor Zhivago, Gettysburg, Schindler's List, and The Lord of the Rings. And wonder if they'll ever be able to make movies like that again, given the labor component of six zillion extras and on-site filming expense.

But we can still enjoy excellently made "small sets" that don't require CGI. I can pop in my DVD of Twelve Angry Men or go back and see Knives Out for a third time.

But I can't sit through video games. I don't know if my way of viewing movies is unique or ubiquitous, but I become immersed in them. I love that feeling. But there's no immersion when the graphics stink to high heaven.




absolutely agree... looks all wrong and to top the idiocy is that phone call of the German sub captain... omfg what's wrong with all those movie makers?



For some movies, you just have to check reality at the door, sit back, eat your popcorn, and enjoy the ride.

I like Tom Hanks as an actor and my wife likes Tom Hanks as an actor. It'll probably be the only "war movie" I can get her to attend at a theatre with me.



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RE: OT: Greyhound movie - 3/7/2020 5:03:11 PM   
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Same here, I would only accept that BS because it is in a Tom Hanks movie

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RE: OT: Greyhound movie - 3/7/2020 5:46:39 PM   
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Think of the story and not the props, whether or not they were computer generated.

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