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RE: Submarine Mining Operations - 3/15/2020 12:05:08 AM   
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Items to be determined:

(a) how many Mk 11s were available?

(b) did they make any more? (Probably not, one infers.)

(c) when was Argonaut's mine gear landed?

The answer to item (c) was easy to find - Conway's has it re-designated "APS1" before the Makin raid in August 1942. DANFS entry is:

quote:

On 22 January 1942, she returned to Pearl Harbor and, after a brief stop there, proceeded to the Mare Island Navy Yard for conversion to a troop transport submarine.

Argonaut returned to action in the South Pacific in August... designation was changed to APS-1 on 22 September,...


So the initial upgrade might be available in February 42, although the current 21 day period might need to be extended.



From http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WAMUS_Mines.php :

Mines on hand Dec 7, 1941 - Navy Mark 11 (planted from 40-inch tube - USS Argonaut): 200


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RE: Submarine Mining Operations - 3/15/2020 9:36:34 AM   
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I don't have much use for SST...so running out of mines was bit of bummer...

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RE: Submarine Mining Operations - 3/15/2020 10:50:32 AM   
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For the average player, the easiest change



Wash your mouth out, this is WITP:AE.


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RE: Submarine Mining Operations - 3/15/2020 10:55:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget


quote:

ORIGINAL: Ian R

Items to be determined:

(a) how many Mk 11s were available?

(b) did they make any more? (Probably not, one infers.)

(c) when was Argonaut's mine gear landed?

The answer to item (c) was easy to find - Conway's has it re-designated "APS1" before the Makin raid in August 1942. DANFS entry is:

quote:

On 22 January 1942, she returned to Pearl Harbor and, after a brief stop there, proceeded to the Mare Island Navy Yard for conversion to a troop transport submarine.

Argonaut returned to action in the South Pacific in August... designation was changed to APS-1 on 22 September,...


So the initial upgrade might be available in February 42, although the current 21 day period might need to be extended.



From http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WAMUS_Mines.php :

Mines on hand Dec 7, 1941 - Navy Mark 11 (planted from 40-inch tube - USS Argonaut): 200



TY.

What do you make of the current 21 day delay?

It cannot have taken much longer to strip out the mine rails leading to the aft chutes, but it seems there was more to it than that. Unless it was just a priority thing.

I wish Don was still about so he could give us some insight into how that was assessed.

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RE: Submarine Mining Operations - 3/15/2020 12:18:32 PM   
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Most sources say that the conversion to SST has been carried out during the overhaul at Mare Island, but I have come across two sites which claim that the decision to get rid of the minelaying gear was taken after the refit and Argonaut's return to Pearl Harbour.

I cannot relocate the first site I came across, but here is the second which seems to be well informed:

https://fleetsubmarine.com/ss-166.html

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Contrary to some published reports, Barchet was not relieved for “lack of aggression” at the end of Argonaut‘s first war patrol. His executive officer, William Post, was sent to a staff job at Pearl Harbor and Argonaut‘s dive officer, Richard O’Kane was temporarily moved up to XO. Barchet then took the boat back to Mare Island for a much-needed refit and modernization. At that point, having commanded Argonaut since 1939, he turned over the boat to Lieutenant Commander John Pierce and O’Kane left to join the pre-commissioning crew of U.S.S. Wahoo. Barchet went on to serve in a number of important posts both during and after the war.

Still designated as a mine-layer upon her return to Pearl Harbor, the decision was made to convert Argonaut into a transport submarine. Her mine handling gear was removed and her mine tubes were cut out and blanked off at the after bulkhead, with the remaining sections outside the pressure hull pierced to allow them to be free-flooding. The space formerly allocated for mines was now filled with bunks, heads, mess facilities, and washroom. About 120 Marines could be accommodated. She was redesignated APS-1 after this conversion.




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